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Attention Saint and FDC. :director: At least 100,000 people think the same as I do.

https://www.yahoo.com/celebrity/police-investigating-3-olds-family-151308441.html

On Saturday, a 17-year-old western lowland gorilla at the Cincinnati Zoo was shot and killed after a 3-year-old boy fell into his enclosure. Now, police are investigating the boy's family in order to find out if and how their actions might have contributed to Harambe's death.

According to CNN, the Cincinnati Police's investigation will focus on "the actions of the parents/family that led up to the incident," and not on "the operation or safety of the Cincinnati Zoo."

"After the review, we will determine if charges need to be brought forward," police spokeswoman Tiffaney Hardy told CNN. "If it is determined charges need to be brought forward, we would then discuss it with the Hamilton County prosecutor's office."

Along with the police investigation, the Association of Zoos and Aquariums and the U.S. Department of Agriculture will both conduct evaluations of the zoo itself, including whether the gorilla enclosure complies with the Animal Welfare Act and whether its safety measures are up to code.

However, since Harambe's death, the focus of most people's outrage seems to be on the boy's family rather than the zoo itself: To date, hundreds of thousands have signed a petition asking that the toddler's family "be held accountable for the lack of supervision and negligence that caused Harambe to lose his life." In response, his mother has issued multiple statements defending herself and her parenting.

The latest released police report claims that the 3-year-old fell 15 feet into the enclosure's moat on Saturday, and Harambe climbed down to him and picked him up, seemingly in an attempt to protect him. After he began to drag the boy through the water, however, the security team was forced to shoot Harambe in order to secure the safety of the child.

At this time, the boy is reportedly doing well and recovering at home.

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Dead money,
That's not the point I was making, it never was the point I was making, and it won't be the point I was making any time in the near future.


Hedge,
There are still people that deny climate change as well. Doesn't make them right. You personally defended the parents that allowed their child to wander into a neighbor's yard when you called for the outlawing of pit bull breeds. Now you are calling criminal charges to be levied against parents that you believe weren't paying attention to their kids. You can't have it both ways brother.

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Dead money,
That's not the point I was making, it never was the point I was making, and it won't be the point I was making any time in the near future.


Hedge,
There are still people that deny climate change as well. Doesn't make them right. You personally defended the parents that allowed their child to wander into a neighbor's yard when you called for the outlawing of pit bull breeds. Now you are calling criminal charges to be levied against parents that you believe weren't paying attention to their kids. You can't have it both ways brother.

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Come on man, you have to see the difference between a child wandering into a neighbor's yard and a gorilla enclosure, no?
 

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Dead money,
That's not the point I was making, it never was the point I was making, and it won't be the point I was making any time in the near future.


Hedge,
There are still people that deny climate change as well. Doesn't make them right. You personally defended the parents that allowed their child to wander into a neighbor's yard when you called for the outlawing of pit bull breeds. Now you are calling criminal charges to be levied against parents that you believe weren't paying attention to their kids. You can't have it both ways brother.

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Come on, man. There's a big difference between a kid wandering off next door to a neighbor's yard and a kid wandering off into a 450 pound gorilla's yard. Typically a neighbor's yard is a safe place but never is a gorilla's yard a safe place. Seriously.
 

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But then again, if my neighbor had 2 wild pit bulls running around the yard, I wouldn't let my kid outside at all.
 

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Dead money,
That's not the point I was making, it never was the point I was making, and it won't be the point I was making any time in the near future.


Hedge,
There are still people that deny climate change as well. Doesn't make them right. You personally defended the parents that allowed their child to wander into a neighbor's yard when you called for the outlawing of pit bull breeds. Now you are calling criminal charges to be levied against parents that you believe weren't paying attention to their kids. You can't have it both ways brother.

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climate change/global warming is a hoax

Big difference here FDC, a gorilla enclosure as opposed to a neighbors front yard :lol:

Its pointless to argue any further

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I'm not arguing at all. I'm pretty sure that I have stated several times, this is a sad tragedy.
That's it.


Pengy and Jaek,
The type of enclosure or what it contains is of no consequence and irrelevant.
All I'm saying is that accidents happen and kids can get away from parents at times.
Some people are calling for prosecution of tbe parents because they personally feel they were inattentive. So at what level of parental apathy does it become illegal or okay? What animals should our outrage extend to when there enclosure is breached and they defend it?
I don't understand why this is a point of contention.
In the two cases or threads in citing, the parents were far more reckless and inattentive. One was a child that had a serious heart condition and was prone to seizures and he wasn't checked on for close to 40 minutes! How is that okay and this incident criminal negligence and reckless endangerment? How does the type of enclosure even enter into the discussion?

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Do you guys seriously not see what point I'm trying to make? Seriously?

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This has gone way off target, BUT...

If my young child wandered someway into a fence enclosed yard (never happened btw), I would hope the dogs contained within (somebody's pet, and I have had many pets and none ever attacked a child) wouldn't kill him. If I let my kid somehow get into a gorilla enclosure at the zoo (never happened either), I would expect him to be mauled to death and thankful if he was not.
 

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Do you guys seriously not see what point I'm trying to make? Seriously?

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I do and I totally agree with you - pit bulls and gorillas don't belong in most residential neighborhoods because they pose an inherent danger to children.
 
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Do you guys seriously not see what point I'm trying to make? Seriously?

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Yes, I do. I don't think you see the point you are making. You seem to want nobody to be responsible for their actions. Sadly, that can't be the case.

While I don't condone parents letting their kids wander into a neighboring fenced in yard I don't think that is grounds for death. Harboring deadly animals in a neighborhood where kids live is much different than keeping them in a zoo's enclosure.

For the record, I don't like zoo's at all and think animals should not be in captivity.

Parents have an incredible responsibility to keep track of their kids regardless of how difficult that is and "shit happens" doesn't apply here. People need to take ownership of things and as much as I like FDC, it does seem that you would rather say "it is what it is" than take ownership of things. On that, we disagree.
 

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I'm not saying it is what it is, I assure you. And I definitely dig my man PFan. One is my all time fave people on here. This post is not directed at any one individual either.

My entire point, the only one in trying to make has absolutely nothing to do with dogs, gorillas or any of that. I was addressing those calling for legal ramifications against the parents based on the assumption they were negligent and inattentive. That's it.
My entire point is that there were eyewitnesses that said they were not at fault. People actually were there and saw the entire thing play out.
So I attempted to show that some individuals have commented on somewhat similar situations where parents were visiting friends and didn't check on their kids for 20-30 minutes and that kid got into a private, fenced enclosure and got hurt. Those individuals blamed only the dogs and completely defended the apathy of the parents.
The situation is still the same, the only difference is who or what these particular individuals chose to blame.


So.........my point was to show the inconsistency and hypocrisy of that and only that.

In one instance, some were glad the dogs were put down and want all those particular dogs put down, but if a gorilla gets put down suddenly their opinion changes. In one, it's all the evil crazy bloodthirsty dogs fault. No way it could have been avoided by the parents being a bit more attentive, nope, not a chance, kill the dogs.
Justice is supposed to be consistent across the board. There aren't different levels of reckless endangerment because of which animal is involved. That's it. My entire point is that. I'm not pointing fingers, laying blame, getting a jury together, speaking about social affirmation, taking digs at smurphy, none of that. I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. I really have no idea why that is so difficult to understand.

Personally, I have no dog in this fight. I wasn't present at the zoo so I can only do what any normal person should do and that is to trust the word of those that were present and saw it all. I trust in the word and actions of the professional handlers in saying tranquilizers weren't an option. It was a sad tragedy all the way around, especially for those that had to witness it.

I hate zoos, yes. I am a wildlife and animal lover to the nth degree, yes. I hated hearing about Harambe being put down because none of it was his fault. He was minding his own business in his only known home and got put down for defending it. Similarly, the dogs in the incidences I cited were properly enclosed and the dangers of entry well marked. Same exact shit, different animal, different sentiments. Hypocrisy wins the day.

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