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i have no problem with the pats if the spying on the jets is an isolated incident...they paid their penalty..case closed..
but i just heard that it may have happened a few other times......then i agree with you.
and i feel congress should stay out of it.....& instead they should investigate other things such as pork barrel spending...
Last time I will respond to this issue.Cause yes its so petty IMO,but If you gonna investigate it,which I also think is a waste,investigate the league,not just the patriots.
You still gotta play the game on the field.
Peyton Manning in SI 2007 football preview p76.
"I constantly think of other teams stealing our signals.I knew Mike Shannahan tried.....After a game Greg Biekert came up to me and said we got all your signals.
Take the blinders off 3 its not just one team,the league is the source of it.
Newest accusation is that the Pats videotaped the St. Louis Rams final walk through practice before the Super Bowl.
If that is PROVEN true.(& the guy is saying he still has a copy of the tape.) I think the Pats should be stripped of that Super Bowl.
There is always new claims coming forward from the Eagles about the Pats cheating in that Super Bowl as well.
There is a claim that the Pats went to the right direction or the open spot vs a the called defense every single time in one game. 100%. That is a virtual impossible without having knowledge of every defense called in the game.
I think Congress getting involved is fine due to the anit-trust exemption they ALLOW the NFL to have.....
If that is PROVEN true.(& the guy is saying he still has a copy of the tape.) I think the Pats should be stripped of that Super Bowl.
There is always new claims coming forward from the Eagles about the Pats cheating in that Super Bowl as well.
There is a claim that the Pats went to the right direction or the open spot vs a the called defense every single time in one game. 100%. That is a virtual impossible without having knowledge of every defense called in the game.
I think Congress getting involved is fine due to the anit-trust exemption they ALLOW the NFL to have.....
That is what Congress is doing...investigating the NFL, not NE, but NE is in the crossfire since they appear to be offender #1.
Stealing signals is one thing. Video-taping & listening in to the oppositions play calls via the headsets (a claim now being made for some Pats home games) is another..
All this smoke.......its going to all come on in due time.
Just some more logs to throw on the fire:
POSTED 9:30 a.m. EST, February 2, 2008
REPORT: PATS FILMED RAMS WALK-THROUGH
When it rains, it freakin' pours.
After a bizarre day in which Spygate unexpectedly reappeared on the league's radar screen and strong hints of previously undisclosed cheating emerged, John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that the Patriots videotaped the walk-through practice of the St. Louis Rams prior to Super Bowl XXVI.
Here's the key excerpt from Tomase's report:
"According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here's what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots' Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.
"After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind after attending the team's walkthrough and filmed St. Louis' walkthrough.
"At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said."
Though the Herald doesn't identify the cameraman, it doesn't take a genius to suspect that it was Matt Walsh, the video employee who has been quietly but doggedly pursued for nearly five months. It also doesn't require much gray matter to realize that Walsh likely gave Tomase the green light to cite him as an unnamed source.
A walk-through practice usually involves execution of the plays that are in the team's offensive game plan, out of the specific formations that each play will be called. Having access to that information would provide an enormous advantage to the opposing team.
In Super Bowl XXXVI, the ordinarily high-octane Rams offense struggled in the first half to move the ball, and trailed the underdogs from New England 14-3 at intermission. Seven of the Pats' points came when cornerback Ty Law jumped a route and took an interception to the end zone. After making halftime adjustments, the Rams came back, tying the game at 17 before the Pats won the game on a late field goal.
Keep denying that the Cheatriots arent doing anything wrong Pats Nation looking more stupid by the minute
POSTED 9:30 a.m. EST, February 2, 2008
REPORT: PATS FILMED RAMS WALK-THROUGH
When it rains, it freakin' pours.
After a bizarre day in which Spygate unexpectedly reappeared on the league's radar screen and strong hints of previously undisclosed cheating emerged, John Tomase of the Boston Herald reports that the Patriots videotaped the walk-through practice of the St. Louis Rams prior to Super Bowl XXVI.
Here's the key excerpt from Tomase's report:
"According to a source close to the team during the 2001 season, here's what happened. On Feb. 2, 2002, one day before the Patriots' Super Bowl game against heavily favored St. Louis in New Orleans, the Patriots visited the Superdome for their final walkthrough.
"After completing the walkthrough, they had their team picture taken and the Rams then took the field. According to the source, a member of the team's video staff stayed behind after attending the team's walkthrough and filmed St. Louis' walkthrough.
"At no point was he asked to identify himself or produce a press pass, the source said. The cameraman rode the media shuttle back to the hotel with news photographers when the Rams walkthrough was completed, the source said."
Though the Herald doesn't identify the cameraman, it doesn't take a genius to suspect that it was Matt Walsh, the video employee who has been quietly but doggedly pursued for nearly five months. It also doesn't require much gray matter to realize that Walsh likely gave Tomase the green light to cite him as an unnamed source.
A walk-through practice usually involves execution of the plays that are in the team's offensive game plan, out of the specific formations that each play will be called. Having access to that information would provide an enormous advantage to the opposing team.
In Super Bowl XXXVI, the ordinarily high-octane Rams offense struggled in the first half to move the ball, and trailed the underdogs from New England 14-3 at intermission. Seven of the Pats' points came when cornerback Ty Law jumped a route and took an interception to the end zone. After making halftime adjustments, the Rams came back, tying the game at 17 before the Pats won the game on a late field goal.
Keep denying that the Cheatriots arent doing anything wrong Pats Nation looking more stupid by the minute
You play 16 regular season games, and at least 2 games in the post season before the Super Bowl. Playbooks and schemes have been unloaded by then. I don't think you can make any significant changes come Super Bowl time.
Besides, walk through practices are fairly short. Y
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So does that making cheating OK? :shrug:
If that was the case would the NFL allow it & why did the Pats feel the need to tape it illegally?
Amazing how people just make excuse after excuse to somehow "MAKE IT OK TO CHEAT"
I never said it was OK to cheat. The Patriots have already been "spanked" for what happened earlier in the year. Why continue to dwell on it?
My point is that gamefilm will tell you everything you'll ever need to know about an opponent. What you don't have on video, someone probably will already have it and be more than happy to let you borrow it.
Cheatriots better hope this man doesnt get a supeona
Cheatriots better hope this man doesnt get a supeona
Former Patriots video assistant hints at team's spying history
By Mike Fish
ESPN.com
LAHAINA, Hawaii -- Matt Walsh worked seven years with the New England Patriots before being let go on Martin Luther King Day in 2003. He was on the New Orleans Superdome sidelines when the Pats kicked off their dominant run, upsetting the St. Louis Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl. He wasn't a chiseled athlete, but a go-getter who climbed his way up the team's support staff ladder -- first as a public relations intern, then as a video assistant and later, in his last year, a college scout.
Mostly, though, his years with New England were spent shooting football video.
He was the third, and last, employee on the video staff. In his words, he was Matt Estrella before Matt Estrella, a reference to the Patriots video assistant caught filming the Jets' defensive signals by league officials last September at halftime of a game against New York -- the violation that birthed "Spygate" and led, in part, to some of the heftiest penalties in league history. New England coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 -- the biggest fine ever for a coach and the team was docked its first-round draft choice this year.
And now, Walsh, 31, an assistant golf pro on Maui, might be positioned to further pull back the curtain on the Patriots' taping history, expose where and how they gained advantages and, perhaps even, turn over video proof.
If Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is serious about calling a hearing to delve into the issue -- particularly the questions of why the NFL hastily destroyed all evidence, including tapes handed over by the Patriots, and what other as-yet-undisclosed material might be out there -- perhaps one of his first calls should be to Walsh, who in conversations with ESPN.com suggested he has information that could be damaging to both the league and the Patriots.
In a New York Times story on Friday and again at a news conference later in the day, Specter expressed frustration with a lack of response from the NFL to his Nov. 15 letter inquiring about the league's investigation. He said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell would eventually be called before the committee to address, among other things, the destruction of the tapes. NFL officials and Patriots employees possibly could be brought before the committee to testify.
Walsh told ESPN.com that, in the wake of the cheating scandal that broke early in the season, he has never been contacted by NFL officials to inquire about his insight into the Patriots' illegal taping practices, which he says date back to his time with the franchise. Nor, he said, has there been any communication with the Patriots.
"If they're doing a thorough investigation -- they didn't contact me," Walsh told ESPN.com. "So draw your own conclusions. Maybe they felt they didn't need to. Maybe the league feels they got satisfactory answers from everything the Patriots sent them."
Goodell said at his annual address to the media at the Super Bowl on Friday that the tapes turned over by the Patriots date back only to 2006, well after Walsh had left the organization. Does Walsh know anything that might be of interest to that inquiry? He won't say, but he hasn't dodged the suggestion that he does. On a number of occasions in interviews with ESPN and ESPN.com in recent weeks, he has hinted about evidence and information he might be able to provide.
"No, the league has never called me," he said. "Neither have the Patriots. And really, I would be surprised if they did. Then all of a sudden -- I don't know how much the league or Patriots know about my stance or how I feel about things -- for them to put in a call to me, what are they going to say? Are they going to try and threaten me? Or say, don't talk about it? Then, they are putting themselves out there and looking bad as far as if I turn around and say, 'Hey, guess what, the league called me and said [we're] gonna take away your pension if you say anything about this.'"
Later, Walsh said his reference to a pension meant his 401k retirement plan.
Walsh suggested he could have blown the whistle long ago, if he'd been so inclined.
"If I had a reason to want to go public or tell a story, I could have done it before this even broke," he said. "I could have said everything rather than having [Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."
It is widely assumed that Mangini, the Jets head coach and former Patriots assistant under Belichick, was responsible for exposing the Patriots' spying tactics earlier this season. Several members of New England's staff came to the Jets with Mangini when he took the head job in New York, including assistant coaches Brian Daboll and Jay Mandoleso and video director Steve Scarnecchia, a former Patriot video assistant.
The Jets' staff, under orders from team management, refused comment for this story.
"Obviously, Mangini knew what was going on and it had been going on for a while," Walsh said. "They tried to catch them doing it last year and weren't able to. So they were just waiting for them to throw the camera up this year on the sideline. But afterwards, I get the impression the league said to them, 'Hey, kind of back down from this; let us take care of it,' because Mangini probably could have come out and said more, made more of a deal out of it if he wanted to."
Walsh said that when he worked with the Patriots, a very limited number of people within the organization were privy to details about the team's video practices, notably video director Jimmy Dee and Ernie Adams, Belichick's prep school friend and right-hand man.
Walsh said that during his tenure in New England, no taping was done without Dee's knowledge.
As for the prospect of Adams sharing insight into the suspicious practices, Walsh said: "You've got a better chance of him telling you who killed JFK than anything about New England. There are lots of stories there. He told me stories of things they used to do in Cleveland [where Adams assisted Belichick with the Browns]."
Asked Friday at his Super Bowl news conference about the New York Times story that indicated Specter's interest and identified Walsh as a person who might have inside knowledge about the Patriots' operations, Belichick said, "It's a league matter. I don't know anything about it."
Despite suggestions that he could be a player in expanding the Spygate probe, Walsh repeatedly has refused to provide ESPN.com with any evidence of wrongdoing by the Patriots. He also has refused to confirm that he has tapes in his possession.
Walsh said he is fearful of possible legal action against him by either the league or Patriots if he details what he knows. He refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as an indemnification agreement that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.
On Friday, Walsh told ESPN he is uncertain whether he would voluntarily meet with a Senate committee, if asked. Previously, however, he expressed a willingness to tell league officials what he knows if they should call.
"I wouldn't lie to them about anything, and especially because I don't know what they have," Walsh said. "I don't know what evidence they have. So there is no reason for me to lie to anybody, anyways. It is one thing for me to say, 'Hey, look, just not gonna talk about it.' It is not like a felony or crime or something where I got to go on a stand in court and swear on a Bible or something. It is the kind of thing where for me, personally, it could potentially do more harm to talk about it than not talk about it.
"But if the league contacted me and said, 'Did you do this? Did you do that? ?' Maybe they have evidence I did, so I am not going to say, 'No, I didn't.'"
Like others trying to break into the NFL, Walsh came to the Patriots fresh out of college with little experience and a world of ambition. He graduated from Springfield College, class of 1998, with a degree in sports management. He didn't play college football; and though he claims to have spent parts of two seasons on the golf team, the college's sports information office has no record of him in its files.
He began his time with the NFL by working on the Patriots' game-day press box staff during his college years. Those connections led Walsh to an internship in the franchise's public relations department during the first semester of his senior year at Springfield. In an effort to get ahead with the team, Walsh told ESPN.com, he offered to help out in the scouting department, which was then headed by Bobby Grier, after his day shift in PR ended.
Walsh found himself without a full-time job after graduation. He was working as a lifeguard on Cape Cod when the Patriots called just days before the start of camp and offered him a job as a video assistant, even though he had no expertise or training in that area.
In the winter of 2002-03, Walsh said he was fired by Patriots vice president for player personnel Scott Pioli, and then spent a year on the video staff of the Cologne Centurions in now-defunct NFL Europe. Walsh says he was frustrated with the monotony of the scouting job in New England -- he focused on the few football-playing colleges in western New York -- and that may have been a factor in his dismissal. He suggested it likely got back to the Patriots that he had made overtures about video jobs with other teams. He eventually landed a series of assistant golf pro jobs at private clubs in New England and Arizona.
He can be found these days on the staff at the Ka'anapali Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, a 36-hole layout that caters to tourists visiting the high-end hotels and resort condos that line the long stretch of beach overlooking the Pacific Ocean. As he spoke with ESPN.com on a recent morning, he strode around the course confidently, talking up guests between an occasional golf lesson.
Walsh described himself as a guy who makes friends easily, and who is adroit at working deals. When he worked video for the Patriots, he said, he often finagled a round of golf at top course in exchange for game tickets. After he left the Patriots, he hooked up with a high school friend who worked security for his favorite group, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and followed the band on tour over 27 stops, sharing drink and food backstage with band members by night, and playing golf by day.
His air of confidence, though, came and went as he chatted about whether he wants to involve himself in Spygate. He has a young wife who is a physical therapist, and an 8-month-old son. He has family back in New England who, he said, could be in harm's way if he damages the Patriots with any information he might disclose. Even in Hawaii, he remains a New England season-ticket holder. And he said he worries about how he might be perceived by future employers if he blows the whistle on the Patriots.
And he wondered aloud what might be in it for him if he does.
He said he fears the potential wrath of the Patriots, and their ability to tie him in up in court for an extended period of time. Although he stopped short of saying he has actual video evidence, he suggested he does; and so raised the possibility that it might be viewed as stolen property.
He mentioned a confidentiality agreement he signed with the club, though he's not sure how that might factor into what he has to say.
"So whether that still covers me talking about things that we did when I was there or not, I'm not completely sure," Walsh said. "But if it doesn't -- if the worst they do is get pissed off that I am coming out talking to national media about all these things that I know that they have done and what not, and they just decide to pull my season tickets -- well, OK. At the end of the day, what did I get out of it? I lost my season tickets."
At one point, when the discussion turned to potential evidence, he said, "I'd use it if they came after me. The last thing I need is for people to make a case against me."
During an afternoon tour of the golf course where he works, Walsh stopped and pointed out Black Rock, a cliff where a nightly ritual features a lone figure lifting a torch to salute the sky before plunging into the dark waters, home to the occasional small shark. He used that scene as an analogy to the risk he'd face coming forward with his story.
"That guy is taking a chance jumping into shark-infested waters," Walsh said, motioning toward the cliff. "There'd be nothing to come out of it for me. Be a helluva risk."
He said he does not feel an ethical urge to do what some might perceive as the right thing, to help set the record straight -- either by exposing the Patriots or by depicting them as simply doing what every other team does.
"I'll be honest with you: I can't really be guilted into anything," he said. "Maybe after this whole thing, you don't think I have a conscience because of the people I was exposed to and what they had me doing.
"Really, I just [have] no incentive to really talk to anybody, no reason to do it. For me, personally, I haven't really been able to see the gain in doing it." But now the Senate Judiciary Committee knows about him. And perhaps the incentive will come in the form of a subpoena from Specter's committee.
Mike Fish is an investigative reporter for ESPN.com. He can be reached at michaeljfish@gmail.com. Ben Houser, a feature producer for ESPN's "Outside the Lines," and ESPN.com's Gregg Easterbrook also contributed to this report
Cheatriots better hope this man doesnt get a supeona
Former Patriots video assistant hints at team's spying history
By Mike Fish
ESPN.com
LAHAINA, Hawaii -- Matt Walsh worked seven years with the New England Patriots before being let go on Martin Luther King Day in 2003. He was on the New Orleans Superdome sidelines when the Pats kicked off their dominant run, upsetting the St. Louis Rams in the 2002 Super Bowl. He wasn't a chiseled athlete, but a go-getter who climbed his way up the team's support staff ladder -- first as a public relations intern, then as a video assistant and later, in his last year, a college scout.
Mostly, though, his years with New England were spent shooting football video.
He was the third, and last, employee on the video staff. In his words, he was Matt Estrella before Matt Estrella, a reference to the Patriots video assistant caught filming the Jets' defensive signals by league officials last September at halftime of a game against New York -- the violation that birthed "Spygate" and led, in part, to some of the heftiest penalties in league history. New England coach Bill Belichick was fined $500,000 -- the biggest fine ever for a coach and the team was docked its first-round draft choice this year.
And now, Walsh, 31, an assistant golf pro on Maui, might be positioned to further pull back the curtain on the Patriots' taping history, expose where and how they gained advantages and, perhaps even, turn over video proof.
If Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, is serious about calling a hearing to delve into the issue -- particularly the questions of why the NFL hastily destroyed all evidence, including tapes handed over by the Patriots, and what other as-yet-undisclosed material might be out there -- perhaps one of his first calls should be to Walsh, who in conversations with ESPN.com suggested he has information that could be damaging to both the league and the Patriots.
In a New York Times story on Friday and again at a news conference later in the day, Specter expressed frustration with a lack of response from the NFL to his Nov. 15 letter inquiring about the league's investigation. He said NFL commissioner Roger Goodell would eventually be called before the committee to address, among other things, the destruction of the tapes. NFL officials and Patriots employees possibly could be brought before the committee to testify.
Walsh told ESPN.com that, in the wake of the cheating scandal that broke early in the season, he has never been contacted by NFL officials to inquire about his insight into the Patriots' illegal taping practices, which he says date back to his time with the franchise. Nor, he said, has there been any communication with the Patriots.
"If they're doing a thorough investigation -- they didn't contact me," Walsh told ESPN.com. "So draw your own conclusions. Maybe they felt they didn't need to. Maybe the league feels they got satisfactory answers from everything the Patriots sent them."
Goodell said at his annual address to the media at the Super Bowl on Friday that the tapes turned over by the Patriots date back only to 2006, well after Walsh had left the organization. Does Walsh know anything that might be of interest to that inquiry? He won't say, but he hasn't dodged the suggestion that he does. On a number of occasions in interviews with ESPN and ESPN.com in recent weeks, he has hinted about evidence and information he might be able to provide.
"No, the league has never called me," he said. "Neither have the Patriots. And really, I would be surprised if they did. Then all of a sudden -- I don't know how much the league or Patriots know about my stance or how I feel about things -- for them to put in a call to me, what are they going to say? Are they going to try and threaten me? Or say, don't talk about it? Then, they are putting themselves out there and looking bad as far as if I turn around and say, 'Hey, guess what, the league called me and said [we're] gonna take away your pension if you say anything about this.'"
Later, Walsh said his reference to a pension meant his 401k retirement plan.
Walsh suggested he could have blown the whistle long ago, if he'd been so inclined.
"If I had a reason to want to go public or tell a story, I could have done it before this even broke," he said. "I could have said everything rather than having [Eric] Mangini be the one to bring it out."
It is widely assumed that Mangini, the Jets head coach and former Patriots assistant under Belichick, was responsible for exposing the Patriots' spying tactics earlier this season. Several members of New England's staff came to the Jets with Mangini when he took the head job in New York, including assistant coaches Brian Daboll and Jay Mandoleso and video director Steve Scarnecchia, a former Patriot video assistant.
The Jets' staff, under orders from team management, refused comment for this story.
"Obviously, Mangini knew what was going on and it had been going on for a while," Walsh said. "They tried to catch them doing it last year and weren't able to. So they were just waiting for them to throw the camera up this year on the sideline. But afterwards, I get the impression the league said to them, 'Hey, kind of back down from this; let us take care of it,' because Mangini probably could have come out and said more, made more of a deal out of it if he wanted to."
Walsh said that when he worked with the Patriots, a very limited number of people within the organization were privy to details about the team's video practices, notably video director Jimmy Dee and Ernie Adams, Belichick's prep school friend and right-hand man.
Walsh said that during his tenure in New England, no taping was done without Dee's knowledge.
As for the prospect of Adams sharing insight into the suspicious practices, Walsh said: "You've got a better chance of him telling you who killed JFK than anything about New England. There are lots of stories there. He told me stories of things they used to do in Cleveland [where Adams assisted Belichick with the Browns]."
Asked Friday at his Super Bowl news conference about the New York Times story that indicated Specter's interest and identified Walsh as a person who might have inside knowledge about the Patriots' operations, Belichick said, "It's a league matter. I don't know anything about it."
Despite suggestions that he could be a player in expanding the Spygate probe, Walsh repeatedly has refused to provide ESPN.com with any evidence of wrongdoing by the Patriots. He also has refused to confirm that he has tapes in his possession.
Walsh said he is fearful of possible legal action against him by either the league or Patriots if he details what he knows. He refused to provide evidence of potential wrongdoing unless ESPN agreed to pay his legal fees related to his involvement in the story, as well as an indemnification agreement that would cover any damages found against him in court. ESPN denied his requests.
On Friday, Walsh told ESPN he is uncertain whether he would voluntarily meet with a Senate committee, if asked. Previously, however, he expressed a willingness to tell league officials what he knows if they should call.
"I wouldn't lie to them about anything, and especially because I don't know what they have," Walsh said. "I don't know what evidence they have. So there is no reason for me to lie to anybody, anyways. It is one thing for me to say, 'Hey, look, just not gonna talk about it.' It is not like a felony or crime or something where I got to go on a stand in court and swear on a Bible or something. It is the kind of thing where for me, personally, it could potentially do more harm to talk about it than not talk about it.
"But if the league contacted me and said, 'Did you do this? Did you do that? ?' Maybe they have evidence I did, so I am not going to say, 'No, I didn't.'"
Like others trying to break into the NFL, Walsh came to the Patriots fresh out of college with little experience and a world of ambition. He graduated from Springfield College, class of 1998, with a degree in sports management. He didn't play college football; and though he claims to have spent parts of two seasons on the golf team, the college's sports information office has no record of him in its files.
He began his time with the NFL by working on the Patriots' game-day press box staff during his college years. Those connections led Walsh to an internship in the franchise's public relations department during the first semester of his senior year at Springfield. In an effort to get ahead with the team, Walsh told ESPN.com, he offered to help out in the scouting department, which was then headed by Bobby Grier, after his day shift in PR ended.
Walsh found himself without a full-time job after graduation. He was working as a lifeguard on Cape Cod when the Patriots called just days before the start of camp and offered him a job as a video assistant, even though he had no expertise or training in that area.
In the winter of 2002-03, Walsh said he was fired by Patriots vice president for player personnel Scott Pioli, and then spent a year on the video staff of the Cologne Centurions in now-defunct NFL Europe. Walsh says he was frustrated with the monotony of the scouting job in New England -- he focused on the few football-playing colleges in western New York -- and that may have been a factor in his dismissal. He suggested it likely got back to the Patriots that he had made overtures about video jobs with other teams. He eventually landed a series of assistant golf pro jobs at private clubs in New England and Arizona.
He can be found these days on the staff at the Ka'anapali Golf Resort in Lahaina, Hawaii, a 36-hole layout that caters to tourists visiting the high-end hotels and resort condos that line the long stretch of beach overlooking the Pacific Ocean. As he spoke with ESPN.com on a recent morning, he strode around the course confidently, talking up guests between an occasional golf lesson.
Walsh described himself as a guy who makes friends easily, and who is adroit at working deals. When he worked video for the Patriots, he said, he often finagled a round of golf at top course in exchange for game tickets. After he left the Patriots, he hooked up with a high school friend who worked security for his favorite group, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and followed the band on tour over 27 stops, sharing drink and food backstage with band members by night, and playing golf by day.
His air of confidence, though, came and went as he chatted about whether he wants to involve himself in Spygate. He has a young wife who is a physical therapist, and an 8-month-old son. He has family back in New England who, he said, could be in harm's way if he damages the Patriots with any information he might disclose. Even in Hawaii, he remains a New England season-ticket holder. And he said he worries about how he might be perceived by future employers if he blows the whistle on the Patriots.
And he wondered aloud what might be in it for him if he does.
He said he fears the potential wrath of the Patriots, and their ability to tie him in up in court for an extended period of time. Although he stopped short of saying he has actual video evidence, he suggested he does; and so raised the possibility that it might be viewed as stolen property.
He mentioned a confidentiality agreement he signed with the club, though he's not sure how that might factor into what he has to say.
"So whether that still covers me talking about things that we did when I was there or not, I'm not completely sure," Walsh said. "But if it doesn't -- if the worst they do is get pissed off that I am coming out talking to national media about all these things that I know that they have done and what not, and they just decide to pull my season tickets -- well, OK. At the end of the day, what did I get out of it? I lost my season tickets."
At one point, when the discussion turned to potential evidence, he said, "I'd use it if they came after me. The last thing I need is for people to make a case against me."
During an afternoon tour of the golf course where he works, Walsh stopped and pointed out Black Rock, a cliff where a nightly ritual features a lone figure lifting a torch to salute the sky before plunging into the dark waters, home to the occasional small shark. He used that scene as an analogy to the risk he'd face coming forward with his story.
"That guy is taking a chance jumping into shark-infested waters," Walsh said, motioning toward the cliff. "There'd be nothing to come out of it for me. Be a helluva risk."
He said he does not feel an ethical urge to do what some might perceive as the right thing, to help set the record straight -- either by exposing the Patriots or by depicting them as simply doing what every other team does.
"I'll be honest with you: I can't really be guilted into anything," he said. "Maybe after this whole thing, you don't think I have a conscience because of the people I was exposed to and what they had me doing.
"Really, I just [have] no incentive to really talk to anybody, no reason to do it. For me, personally, I haven't really been able to see the gain in doing it." But now the Senate Judiciary Committee knows about him. And perhaps the incentive will come in the form of a subpoena from Specter's committee.
Mike Fish is an investigative reporter for ESPN.com. He can be reached at michaeljfish@gmail.com. Ben Houser, a feature producer for ESPN's "Outside the Lines," and ESPN.com's Gregg Easterbrook also contributed to this report
I think a lot of people have there head in the sand if they think there is not more to this..........
Look at some of the close games the Pats have played on there way to their superbowl titles.......
Wonder what Jeff Fischer thinks about the Pats 17-14 win over Tennessee in that playoff game that was in freezing temps...........
Wonder what Jon Gruden thinks about the Pats win over the Raiders in the tuck game.........
Wonder what Andy Reid, John Foxx and Mike Martz........think about their 3 pt superbowl losses......
Pats beat Bill Cohwer twice in Pitts on way to SB,s
I would like to hear some public comments from these coaches on these close losses..........
Also one simple fact even if you believe the Pats only did it once.........
ITS AN EMBARASSMENT THE WAY BELICHEK HAS ADRESSED THIS ISSUE...........HE WONT ANSWER ANY QUESTION AND IS REALLY JUST IGNORING THE ISSUE..........
And whats funny is that I like the Patriots but this whole thing is troubling to me and I cant help but wonder about past playoff games..........
It says a lot to me that other coaches have not spoken out on this..........maybe because they are cheating too..........who knows........
Look at some of the close games the Pats have played on there way to their superbowl titles.......
Wonder what Jeff Fischer thinks about the Pats 17-14 win over Tennessee in that playoff game that was in freezing temps...........
Wonder what Jon Gruden thinks about the Pats win over the Raiders in the tuck game.........
Wonder what Andy Reid, John Foxx and Mike Martz........think about their 3 pt superbowl losses......
Pats beat Bill Cohwer twice in Pitts on way to SB,s
I would like to hear some public comments from these coaches on these close losses..........
Also one simple fact even if you believe the Pats only did it once.........
ITS AN EMBARASSMENT THE WAY BELICHEK HAS ADRESSED THIS ISSUE...........HE WONT ANSWER ANY QUESTION AND IS REALLY JUST IGNORING THE ISSUE..........
And whats funny is that I like the Patriots but this whole thing is troubling to me and I cant help but wonder about past playoff games..........
It says a lot to me that other coaches have not spoken out on this..........maybe because they are cheating too..........who knows........
the pats have been accused of cheating in the past by coaches and players. i think it's stupid how people say, "everyone cheats." well, how many teams have been under this type of microscope, now going back to the pats sb win against the rams? so, if all teams cheat, why is it all coming down on the pats? is everyone picking on them? and the people saying spector should concentrate on the real problems the u.s., please remember the nfl is a business and WE the betting public should not be ripped off by betting on games that you can't cap because it was never a cappable game. i think the public deserves a fair game. maybe next they'll look into the refs that have done a horrible job this year and the years past. don't tell me they don't **** teams over. ne should have at least one loss. baltimore didn't have a chance against them this year. the refs weren't gonna stop throwing flags till ne got the td in the 4th. and the td was questionable. it should all be looked at. and no, i didn't bet that ne-balt game, just balt got screwed around and i hate it. why should us, the betting public, get hosed? i don't know about ya'll, but im not a millionaire.
So lets get this straight.The Pats won all these games that you just stated because they cheated and by cheating it was a 100 %guarentee that they would win.:142smilie :shrug: :bs:
Its got nothing to do with Scott Pioli,Belichek,and Yes even Kraft for the way theve run this team.
The way theve drafted,the way theve traded the way theve cleaned up in free agency.
To make this kind of statement your head must be in the sand.Pats-Haters get over it there just that good this decade,and can make history tonite.One more thing the Rams couldnt stop Brady in the last 2minutes,the best D that year.
The false report that came out lastnite is proving to be a dud.
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Well atleast we know members of congress are betting and losing money on these games as well....they seem to care MORE about game integrity and scandals in sports even more so then the scandal that has played out in the White House for the last 8 years. You would think if they care this much about the public to insure a FAIR GAME OF FOOTBALL OR BASEBALL that they would care just as much about the problems of American Government, not so........oh, watch out over seas....if we were to get wind that one of the famous soccer or even cricket players were juicing then that might just give the U.S. the right to bomb there country.......we must insure a LEVEL playing field:142smilie :mj07: :142smilie
Seriously this is a joke as well as the government is for even spending a minute or wasting a breathe looking into it. WHO THE FU(K CARES?? I guess the commisioner should cancel the SB today until we are sure if the Pats deserve to be there or not.....I mean we dont want them to cheat there way to another title:nono: . lol
Seriously this is a joke as well as the government is for even spending a minute or wasting a breathe looking into it. WHO THE FU(K CARES?? I guess the commisioner should cancel the SB today until we are sure if the Pats deserve to be there or not.....I mean we dont want them to cheat there way to another title:nono: . lol
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This is a typical blind as a bat to the facts Pats fan as you get.
The Rams had the 23rd ranked scoring D that year.
13th ranked in yardage....
Yet you call them the best D that year.
TAKE OFF YOUR PATS GLASSES HOMER!!
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& how in the fact can you say that....oh that's right the team that is proven cheaters & liars denied it.
WOW.
Just the opposite is true...its getting legs & this thing is no where near over....
The TRUTH shall be known....& your beloved Cheatriots will be tainted for the rest of your natural life.
Hey,if that makes you feel better ,cause your jeulous of there achievements ,thats fine.
The false statements that were brought up by a "source" were investigated months ago with no merit to them.Its more then the Pats who have denied this.Walsh has nothing on this matter.Let me see a former scout is fired,now he has this game film of a pre game walkthru :142smilie
A JOKE:142smilie The only thing tainted is your digging deep cause your a pats-hater!Be patient Dallas might have there day in the sun again ....someday!!:142smilie
Did some research on the 2001 rams.
Never trust sports radio.:mj07:
They were 7th total D.No bad top 10.
Odv. no. 1 offense.
They also had top no. 1 in pt. differential at 14pts per game not bad.
Never trust sports radio.:mj07:
They were 7th total D.No bad top 10.
Odv. no. 1 offense.
They also had top no. 1 in pt. differential at 14pts per game not bad.