Did America Let Him Down

[smurphy]

I'm not a big fan of Insurance companies, I think they are SCUM, i've seen to many stories of insurance companies trying to price people out of their insurance when a catastrophie hits, I say Fuck the Insurance Companies!!!!!!

JMHO.

Sounds like you would like a more socialized health care system.

 

[StevieD]

is it expensive? yes
is it good value for your money? yes

Here is where you a wrong.

An expensive car is one thing because I can still buy a car that runs and is safe. Maybe not as comfortable but still functional. Cheap Health Care Plans are not functional if you get sick.

 

[marine]

yes they are. just like if you buy the cheap car... you are going to have to put more money into it to keep it running and in working order.

 

[StevieD]

yes they are. just like if you buy the cheap car... you are going to have to put more money into it to keep it running and in working order.

No, In fact the more expensive cars have more expensive upkeep.

 

[marine]

odd.

I'll show you the receipts for upkeep of my 94 voyager vs my 08 caravan.

 

[SixFive]

so, I spend about $600 a month for insurance. Would I like to have that in my pocket instead? Sure! Would it be responsible for me not to have insurance for me and my family?? No!

I see people not taking care of themselves on a daily basis whether they are patients or coworkers. It's really amazing how many people who work in health care play the no insurance roulette game even when they have that option. Weird! I was just talking to 2 of my coworkers last night who had both not been to the doctor in over 10 years, not even for their annual pap/exam. I run into a lot of people with a sort of "I'm healthy, there's no need to go to the doctor/I don't want to go because I'm afraid of what I'll be told"

I don't think America failed this gentleman. I think he failed himself and his family trying to be tough or a martyr. Not sure why we have so many martyr mentalities?? There's no honor in suffering when you could do something to alleviate that suffering. That doesn't get you very far.

I'm going through specialists and tests now. Yeah, it's expensive, but I feel I owe it to myself and my family to get it checked out/fixed if it's fixable. To not do that, insurance or not, is irresponsible. That's the crux of this situation not the failure of America/America letting it's citizens down.

 

[Chadman]

Although the Constitution does not specifically state that everyone has the right to free insurance, the very first paragraph has an entry that certainly could apply to the insurance scenario and the well being of Americans -

"Promote the General Welfare."

I would submit that one of the most important aspects of American life, or any life for that matter, is a person's health. The Constitution certainly could be looked at in this light when talking about Promoting the General Welfare - the very document establishing our country is concerned with the general welfare of its citizens - and certainly could be concerned with all having good health... to the point of promoting it as an important factor in the lives - generally - of all citizens. Certainly there are things the government doesn't specifically address that comes under this line, and many others. It's a working document, meant to be followed, difficult to change, but changeable, to be sure. And I think this line is food for thought when it comes to the issue. The Constitution is not meant to be rigidly looked at word for word in all situations, but held up as a standard for the good of the country, and there are certainly different ways to analyze it, learn from it, and perhaps even change public policy by looking at it differently, or as a guideline, depending on how you look at it.

Many people certainly subscribe to "providing for the common defense" as the entry right before it - and that one certainly has room for discussion, doesn't it?

 

[marine]

Chadman,

I agree with you... the country already does promote it though. Federal aide to med schools, R&D for cures for things, and the health concious programs that are available to everyone, smoke free work environments, etc etc.

Yes, we could interpret promoting general welfare of the public to mean universal healthcare... and, then we can take it a step even further and create shuttle busses to go around the neighborhoods to pick us all up and drive us to the doctor's office and hold our hands as we walk through the door. I'm not saying that to be funny.. I'm saying that because some people seem to need that type of assistance so they don't feel like "the man is screwing me"

 

[Trench]

He can't Trench because all it is , is a talking point he is sucked into believing. Bottom line is Obama wants two plans. You like urs u keep it. You want the Gov't one u take that one.

Yeah, Spongey... I've heard the same talking point for 15 years. Funny how the USPS analogy is always used, as if mailing a package is somehow analogues to receiving healthcare. But as Stevie mentioned, Universal Healthcare has nothing to do with government provided, free healthcare. Apparently, some are either unwilling to accept that or they're unable to understand it.

 

[marine]

Yeah, Spongey... I've heard the same talking point for 15 years. Funny how the USPS analogy is always used, as if mailing a package is somehow analogues to receiving healthcare. But as Stevie mentioned, Universal Healthcare has nothing to do with government provided, free healthcare. Apparently, some are either unwilling to accept that or they're unable to understand it.

ok, i'll bite. how will we have universal healthcare without having it backed by the government?

 

[theGibber1]

"America's health care system is second only to Japan... Canada, Sweden, Great Britain... well, all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!"

Homer Simpson

 

[Turfgrass]

Why is it there's never a peep from "small government" advocates about the size of our Defense Budget or Corporate Welfare or the dozens of Social Programs that benefit their family but the prospect of Universal Healthcare gets them frothing at the mouth?

I wanted to be the peep from a "small government" advocate.

From what I understand, the original purpose of government was to provide protection to its citizens, i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines.

Increasing the size of government makes everyone less free, plain and simple. For every government intervention in our lives we are allowed to make one less choice.

Unfortunately I'm beginning to realize that a large portion of our country simply isn't capable of living free and thinking for themselves. Many people here it seems would rather the government decide for them.

Our founding fathers fought a revolution in order to live in a world free of an oppressive, tyrannical government. Why would they give their lives if the goal was just to establish another large, oppressive, overbearing government here in America? It doesn't really make sense to me.

Sorry if I high-jacked the thread with my $.02.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I wanted to be the peep from a "small government" advocate.

From what I understand, the original purpose of government was to provide protection to its citizens, i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines.

Increasing the size of government makes everyone less free, plain and simple. For every government intervention in our lives we are allowed to make one less choice.

Unfortunately I'm beginning to realize that a large portion of our country simply isn't capable of living free and thinking for themselves. Many people here it seems would rather the government decide for them.

Our founding fathers fought a revolution in order to live in a world free of an oppressive, tyrannical government. Why would they give their lives if the goal was just to establish another large, oppressive, overbearing government here in America? It doesn't really make sense to me.

Sorry if I high-jacked the thread with my $.02.

We don't follow the Constitiution anyway. This is nothing new. Nothing new to see here folks. Move along.

 

[Turfgrass]

We don't follow the Constitiution anyway. This is nothing new. Nothing new to see here folks. Move along.

:mj07:

Yeah, I guess you?re right the Constitution is nothing more than a potential barrier in the way of an ever-growing government.

 

[Trench]

I wanted to be the peep from a "small government" advocate.

From what I understand, the original purpose of government was to provide protection to its citizens, i.e. Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines.

Increasing the size of government makes everyone less free, plain and simple. For every government intervention in our lives we are allowed to make one less choice.

Unfortunately I'm beginning to realize that a large portion of our country simply isn't capable of living free and thinking for themselves. Many people here it seems would rather the government decide for them.

Our founding fathers fought a revolution in order to live in a world free of an oppressive, tyrannical government. Why would they give their lives if the goal was just to establish another large, oppressive, overbearing government here in America? It doesn't really make sense to me.

Sorry if I high-jacked the thread with my $.02.

Well I'm certainly not in favor of big government either Turf. It just seems to me that many small government advocates are very selective when they complain about big government.

 

[Turfgrass]

Well I'm certainly not in favor of big government either Turf. It just seems to me that many small government advocates are very selective when they complain about big government.

Well, I guess I can see your point, but we are talking about a selective subject.

I would like to ask you about the difference between Universal Healthcare and Government Provided, free healthcare. I don?t think I have taken the time to understand it.

 

[WhatsHisNuts]

I like the USPS:shrug:

Me too, CG. I still don't get why they get such a bad rap. I can send a letter from Columbus, OH to my parents in Las Vegas, and they get it in 2 o 3 days. That's pretty impressive, considering that service cost less than half a dollar.