Fragomeni/Wlod Updates
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- Apr 8, 2008
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Right, that would be bad. You know something I wasn't aware of that. So if people bet that on a English book, they lost?
Neither fight was close as the scores showed, IMO. I had USS a clear winner in both fights.
- Apr 8, 2008
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Yes, Kramden, I was caught out like that in Benn-Eubank rematch and, silly me, once again in the Holyfield-Ruiz rubber match. Never again! The British books offer a three-way option: Boxer A, Boxer B, or the draw. If the fight ends in a draw, all bets on Boxer A and/or Boxer B are deemed losing wagers, with the draw the winner.
- Jun 23, 2008
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Exactly
I'm no math major, but that doesn't add up
but the pencil and eraser might have a thing or two to do with it
Im trying to do the math here and cant come up with an answer...none yet:shrug: :shrug: :shrug:
My 1st boxing wager ever was a wager on Holy by ko or tko over Tyson fight II. It was +400. When the fight ended in a dq win for Holy I assumed the wager went to the house. I held the ticket for a few mnths and on my next visit to Tahoe I had a sweet surprise when the guy at the racebook told me I had a 2000.00 winner. That was my intro to boxing betting. I've been hooked since.
Isnt it possible to give a 10:9 round if a fighter gets knocked down but wins the round as such!?:shrug:
It's easy. European judges give 10-10 rounds. Say Fragomeni won six rounds, Wlod won five rounds (but had the 10-8 round), and one round was scored 10-10, that would come out to 114-114. My guess is that the 114-114 judge had the last round even.
He went down twice in that rd. Frag was in deep shit. If anybody scored that 10-9 then it would constitute nothing short of a ROBBERY. It would be nice to see how they scored the fight rd by rd and I'd also like to hear the explanation of the pencil and eraser trick. It just reeks of corrruption. That being said, I'm not as pissed as I could be. I could very well be out a huge amt.
I think Graham got it right!
The secnd knockdown wasnt counted apparently, but still, I think even the Italian judges scored this round 10-8.
From what I have read and heard, many people had the fight very close, so the result as such seems ok, but I too would like to know if the changed it!
The secnd knockdown wasnt counted apparently, but still, I think even the Italian judges scored this round 10-8.
From what I have read and heard, many people had the fight very close, so the result as such seems ok, but I too would like to know if the changed it!
THX Romi,
I was lucky again as I thought if the fight would be a dec. the Ital. should win due to better "support" of the judges, but as it could get very close I couldn?t resist the high quotes on a draw.
I hope your weekend had be good too :toast:
- Nov 14, 2008
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I thought referee was fair. He did not deduct a point from Wlod for use of the head which was a right call because he was only pushing with the head. Regarding 2nd knockdown, he did a mess. It was the clear knockdown and referee should acknowledge that. The problem is Wlod hit Frag when he was down the first time and referee only warned him. I specifically remember the referee giving Wlod loud warning "Do not hit him when he's down" before resuming action. And what Pole did? Of course he hit him when Frag was clearly down 10 secs later. And it was not heat of the action like first time, this one was deliberate, he took a swing only after Frag was on both knees. I think 2nd knockdown should have counted but I also think 1 point should have been deducted from Wlod.
Like I said refereeing was good for me, but judging is another story. I am happy that I got my money back. Venue is very important. Ghost always underlines that at the end of the week
BTW What is wrong with these Polish guys? They are brave as hell but always do something stupid when they are ahead. I'm sure that without extra recovery time Frag would be going down the 3rd time in that round. Wlod blew it.
Like I said refereeing was good for me, but judging is another story. I am happy that I got my money back. Venue is very important. Ghost always underlines that at the end of the week
BTW What is wrong with these Polish guys? They are brave as hell but always do something stupid when they are ahead. I'm sure that without extra recovery time Frag would be going down the 3rd time in that round. Wlod blew it.
I thought referee was fair. He did not deduct a point from Wlod for use of the head which was a right call because he was only pushing with the head. Regarding 2nd knockdown, he did a mess. It was the clear knockdown and referee should acknowledge that. The problem is Wlod hit Frag when he was down the first time and referee only warned him. I specifically remember the referee giving Wlod loud warning "Do not hit him when he's down" before resuming action. And what Pole did? Of course he hit him when Frag was clearly down 10 secs later. And it was not heat of the action like first time, this one was deliberate, he took a swing only after Frag was on both knees. I think 2nd knockdown should have counted but I also think 1 point should have been deducted from Wlod.
Like I said refereeing was good for me, but judging is another story. I am happy that I got my money back. Venue is very important. Ghost always underlines that at the end of the week
BTW What is wrong with these Polish guys? They are brave as hell but always do something stupid when they are ahead. I'm sure that without extra recovery time Frag would be going down the 3rd time in that round. Wlod blew it.
Pretty accurate analysis. In retrospect, I think you are correct. The ref did warn him for hitting while the guy was down and he did clearly get a shot in on the 2nd kd. He has himself to blame for the mental lapse. He more than likely would have gotten a stoppage win but at the very least the rd is 10-7 and he wins a dec. I did feel like the ref was looking for a reason to dq or take pts away. He gave him a harsh warning in rd 1 for a "low" shot that I felt was beltline at worst. The ref also repeatedly warned him to keep his head up. These eyes never saw 1 head clash but he repeatedly got warned. I know there would have been a pt deducted had there been any sort of clash. The ref also gave frag a very long time to recoup so IMO the reffing was a bit biased but ultimately the Pole had himself to blame for not winning. I'll settle for the draw as opposed to a dq for hitting late. Shades of Sosa were certainly stirring in my mind.
Under WBC head-clash rules (which do not apply in the U.S.), had there been a collision resulting in Fragomeni getting cut, even a minor cut, the referee Ian John-Lewis would have been OBLIGATED to deduct a point from Wlodarczyk's score. There would have been no choice, under WBC rules. So I do feel that, while John-Lewis was constantly yelling to Wlodarczyk to watch the head in the last few rounds especially he was doing so with good intentions, not trying to harass the Polish guy but more on the lines of: "Krzysztof, for God's sake don't go and mess things up by MAKING me taking a point away!"
The second-knockdown situation was disappointing for Wlodarczyk backers, but fair. The ref could have given an 8 count and then deducted a point. Instead he chose to disregard both the knockdown AND the illegal blow. Olddirtyfighter is dead right: Wlod blew it.
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