Gambling question / handicapper vs handicapper. Opinions wanted

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Gambler A has been hitting at 55% of his games from start of baseball season and is up 13 units. Gambler B is hitting 39% in same time frame and is down 60 units. Gambler B challenges gambler A in a $1,000 contest for the last two months of season with a clean slate. Should Gambler A take the bet?

Seems as if he has a huge advantage over a large enough sample. The only reason I would say he should say no to the bet is if it's too much money for him to be comfortable betting. Otherwise, go for it. If it's too much, lower the stake. Maybe he's up 13 units, but he just bets $20 a game. In that case, a $1000 wager makes no sense.
 

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Seems as if he has a huge advantage over a large enough sample. The only reason I would say he should say no to the bet is if it's too much money for him to be comfortable betting. Otherwise, go for it. If it's too much, lower the stake. Maybe he's up 13 units, but he just bets $20 a game. In that case, a $1000 wager makes no sense.
Half a baseball season is a large enough sample to determine his advantage?:shrug:
 

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That's statistical probability..you don't have to chart that. What i am referring to is what happens in reality. As a fellow told me at a young age...."there are 2 kinds of people in this world..Those who work..and those who make money." Still true after all these years. Cut n paste weeks for u...go for it !!

So, in your reality, math flies out the window, and magic takes over?


I guess that makes sense for a guy who never loses!


:142smilie


Why do you continue to try and sell your bullshit, when no one buys it? What can a wise man tell you about that?
 

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So, in your reality, math flies out the window, and magic takes over?


I guess that makes sense for a guy who never loses!


:142smilie


Why do you continue to try and sell your bullshit, when no one buys it? What can a wise man tell you about that?


I lived it and am living proof ..you weren't able to.. sorry for you. Just trying to help. Ya don't buy ir.....Plan B is the MC Job.. the price for not buying....Everybody loses Sparky....U just have to be skilled enough and smart enough to lose less.......
 

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There is a guy at our local casino who keeps track of numbers rolled. Squirly little guy who doesn't have any friends, go figure. Obviously the casino doesn't care that he does it, but one day I found it funny when the box man spoke up and said "sir if you are trying to keep score let me save you some time, the casino is winning".
 

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A bit confused. I know why I chart a table, because I look for streaks and will play a hot number. But Hammer, why do you chart a table? It sounds like you are a dyed in the wool Dark Side player. What are you looking for?
 
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I lived it and am living proof ..you weren't able to.. sorry for you. Just trying to help. Ya don't buy ir.....Plan B is the MC Job.. the price for not buying....Everybody loses Sparky....U just have to be skilled enough and smart enough to lose less.......

I do just fine holding my own at the craps table. I just don't try and bullshit people into thinking I win at a game you can't beat.

You are living proof that not all horse's asses are on horses. Nothing more.


Keep trying to convince people that when you walk up to a craps table, more 10s and 4s come up than 7s.
 

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Not my bet, it's a pride bet, basically it's two people swinging dicks

Having been in the bar business for 27 years, I've seen this over and over again. Two young guys sitting at the bar drinking beer, watching a game, thinking they are great cappers (I just shake my head and laugh), and argue about who's dick is bigger. Probably a hot woman within earshot that they are trying to impress. :mj07: But it's all fun. I was young and stupid at one time too.
 

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Me personally, I would probably take the bet but would prefer it to be from start of season. I know myself that if I'm up a ton of units, I would expect for it to end and lose some. I know the math says that everything is an individual event but betting for me tends to even out over time. Maybe the way Vegas adjusts lines either helps or negates your capping. I don't know
 

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A bit confused. I know why I chart a table, because I look for streaks and will play a hot number. But Hammer, why do you chart a table? It sounds like you are a dyed in the wool Dark Side player. What are you looking for?


No body wins playing pass... except dice setters.. I have seen then make ungodly amounts have also seen them seven out over and over.. The only people that win at craps are wrong players. U chart ?? great now go over your sample and see how many times u get 5 4 's or 5 10's in a row. Have seen 9 4's 1 time and 6 10's 1 time in a lifetime... that i can remember........ Play online u can cut it to 3 ... Now in response to the above critic A No body doesn't believe.. but a "Some Body " .... does..... Carry On !!
..... Dice setting .. I was a non believer but met a lady on a "Dating Site" that had taken the "Parr" course.. The told me i was a closed minded stubborn man. We went to Las Vegas together. She taught me the dice sets and off we went. She was hit and miss. I actually had 1 81 number run........ After that nothing consistent. Since then i have seen them all over the western hemisphere. Some of the casinos in the Caribbean must have been hurt because i have encountered tables that seen to have foam under them . The dice bounce exceptionally high negating the controlled throw..
I have met a few guys that have invested in regulation tables and have them in their homes......I never play wrong against a setter. You never know when they are on......Was going to the Rivers in Des Plains Chicago for a while and believe the table limits were posted at $25,000 Ran into an Oriental guy.. that was playing $2000 pass and $5400 across.... the second time i saw him. I followed him.... not at that level but what i was willing
to blow if he ws off........ One off the best days of my Craps life.... Cant even guess what" he" made.....saw him one more time with not quite the same results but still a nice profit. Then the lady {My Date} decided she didn't like a gambler and i was shown the door. Thats the last time i went there. .
 

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There are two kinds of people in this world, and you aren't one of them.

So which one am I.... Ya gotta pick one. Or is 2 too big a sample for ya ???...U are a "silly one" . If you had a clue and if you had any semblance of intelligence. or even a worthwhile education..... ya shd have figured out i have had an extra ordinary life...{ and at least one extra ordinary talent. } Now why.... do you think that might be......any clue.........a wild guess........i won't ask for an educated guess... since that is way above your pay grade........Carry on "Fluffy". or was it Pengie ????????. Now ????? How good are ya at ..... "FRYS WITH THAT SIR ?????.
 

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So which one am I.... Ya gotta pick one. Or is 2 too big a sample for ya ???...U are a "silly one" . If you had a clue and if you had any semblance of intelligence. or even a worthwhile education..... ya shd have figured out i have had an extra ordinary life...{ and at least one extra ordinary talent. } Now why.... do you think that might be......any clue.........a wild guess........i won't ask for an educated guess... since that is way above your pay grade........Carry on "Fluffy". or was it Pengie ????????. Now ????? How good are ya at ..... "FRYS WITH THAT SIR ?????.

You scream of someone who is really lonely. You spend your days here telling us how great you are (think you are) at everything and trying to sell yourself. Nobody cares or buys it. I do feel bad for you because you clearly need attention and want someone who gives a shit in your life, but we are not it.
 

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You scream of someone who is really lonely. You spend your days here telling us how great you are (think you are) at everything and trying to sell yourself. Nobody cares or buys it. I do feel bad for you because you clearly need attention and want someone who gives a shit in your life, but we are not it.


Bout the only regret i have is that someday i will pass on and no one will benefit from a lifetime of knowledge..part of the reason i have posted. I am and have always been a social animal.. i have fit... in and made friends in every culture i have ever been in. Few Americans can say that. Americans are the rudest and least friendly of any people on the planet and they think their shit doesn't smell. How many here can say the have had Indians Somalis Hispanics jews Blacks French Brits Aussies Koreans Swedes South Africans Puerto Ricans Palestinians Jordanians Germans Slovenians Italians Russians Japanese as friends or in their homes...Nope....... Aint been lonely since i got off the boat and cdnt speak a word of English...Do not fret Sparky. If ya aren't interested don't read or worry about what i post.......Its sharing information and experiences that most people will never have....The other day I met a 10 year service Vet..1/2 jewish dad a Gentile. Of course asked the age old question did you know any Jewish service men ? 2 in 10 years 1 a sergeant 2nd a medic.......Same as its been since WW II..... . not many . {got that 6'5 ...Vinnie Course may be he was a racist Jew} Lots of Muslims Arabs..Fact yest Medal of Honor winner was a speaker
at DNC was a Muslim. . Was fascinated that he was very sharing of his 10 years of service Driving Humvees while trying to jam cell phones that wd trigger IEDS to blow them up and being mortared 24 hrs a day in Afghanistan.... Lonely ??????... What da ya think ????? Lastly >>>>>>> What was the final tally on who likes EGGPLANT ????
 

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Bout the only regret i have is that someday i will pass on and no one will benefit from a lifetime of knowledge..part of the reason i have posted. I am and have always been a social animal.. i have fit... in and made friends in every culture i have ever been in. Few Americans can say that. Americans are the rudest and least friendly of any people on the planet and they think their shit doesn't smell. How many here can say the have had Indians Somalis Hispanics jews Blacks French Brits Aussies Koreans Swedes South Africans Puerto Ricans Palestinians Jordanians Germans Slovenians Italians Russians Japanese as friends or in their homes...Nope....... Aint been lonely since i got off the boat and cdnt speak a word of English...Do not fret Sparky. If ya aren't interested don't read or worry about what i post.......Its sharing information and experiences that most people will never have....The other day I met a 10 year service Vet..1/2 jewish dad a Gentile. Of course asked the age old question did you know any Jewish service men ? 2 in 10 years 1 a sergeant 2nd a medic.......Same as its been since WW II..... . not many . {got that 6'5 ...Vinnie Course may be he was a racist Jew} Lots of Muslims Arabs..Fact yest Medal of Honor winner was a speaker
at DNC was a Muslim. . Was fascinated that he was very sharing of his 10 years of service Driving Humvees while trying to jam cell phones that wd trigger IEDS to blow them up and being mortared 24 hrs a day in Afghanistan.... Lonely ??????... What da ya think ????? Lastly >>>>>>> What was the final tally on who likes EGGPLANT ????


One last interesting one.. Last flight i was on Woman sitting next to me in 1st class worked in Area 51...Life Sciences .. Yup been a lonely existence....... Have a good day !!!!!
 

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No body wins playing pass... except dice setters.. I have seen then make ungodly amounts have also seen them seven out over and over.. The only people that win at craps are wrong players. U chart ?? great now go over your sample and see how many times u get 5 4 's or 5 10's in a row. Have seen 9 4's 1 time and 6 10's 1 time in a lifetime... that i can remember........ Play online u can cut it to 3 ... Now in response to the above critic A No body doesn't believe.. but a "Some Body " .... does..... Carry On !!
..... Dice setting .. I was a non believer but met a lady on a "Dating Site" that had taken the "Parr" course.. The told me i was a closed minded stubborn man. We went to Las Vegas together. She taught me the dice sets and off we went. She was hit and miss. I actually had 1 81 number run........ After that nothing consistent. Since then i have seen them all over the western hemisphere. Some of the casinos in the Caribbean must have been hurt because i have encountered tables that seen to have foam under them . The dice bounce exceptionally high negating the controlled throw..
I have met a few guys that have invested in regulation tables and have them in their homes......I never play wrong against a setter. You never know when they are on......Was going to the Rivers in Des Plains Chicago for a while and believe the table limits were posted at $25,000 Ran into an Oriental guy.. that was playing $2000 pass and $5400 across.... the second time i saw him. I followed him.... not at that level but what i was willing
to blow if he ws off........ One off the best days of my Craps life.... Cant even guess what" he" made.....saw him one more time with not quite the same results but still a nice profit. Then the lady {My Date} decided she didn't like a gambler and i was shown the door. Thats the last time i went there. .

I'm not going to say I ever gave you much credit anyway, but if you believe ANY of this about dice control then you have zero credibility and it's verified. If, IF ANYONE could change the house edge by .0001 percent by "controlling" the dice then the house would never let you touch them, ever.

I want you to do a test for me and report back the findings. Set the dice anyway you please and drop them onto whatever surface you please from three feet in the air. Set them the same way every time and drop them from exactly the same height every time and see if you find any consistency in the outcome. I will save you the time, you will find zero consistency other than the 7 showing up more often than other numbers.

Now, on a craps table the dice travel over three feet and hit a back wall that is anything but flat. If you can't get consistent results (and you won't) from a controlled drop then there is no way in hell you will get consistent results on a craps table designed to make the outcome random.

Your logic also fails when you say the only pass line bettors that make money are the ones dice controlling. Well, let's say you can control the dice to even a small degree (which you CAN'T), why would you not teach yourself to throw a 7 which is the most common number and you may hit by accident anyway and bet the piss out of the dark side?

I saw this nonsense a while back and saw several sites dedicated to it and wondered if it was possible at all. It isn't and the proof is all those idiots are still broke as a joke.

Honestly, if you believe in this witchcraft then just stop posting because any credibility you might have had is wiped out, just like your pass line bets.
 

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You scream of someone who is really lonely. You spend your days here telling us how great you are (think you are) at everything and trying to sell yourself. Nobody cares or buys it. I do feel bad for you because you clearly need attention and want someone who gives a shit in your life, but we are not it.




This! :00011:00011:00011
 

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I'm not going to say I ever gave you much credit anyway, but if you believe ANY of this about dice control then you have zero credibility and it's verified. If, IF ANYONE could change the house edge by .0001 percent by "controlling" the dice then the house would never let you touch them, ever.

I want you to do a test for me and report back the findings. Set the dice anyway you please and drop them onto whatever surface you please from three feet in the air. Set them the same way every time and drop them from exactly the same height every time and see if you find any consistency in the outcome. I will save you the time, you will find zero consistency other than the 7 showing up more often than other numbers.

Now, on a craps table the dice travel over three feet and hit a back wall that is anything but flat. If you can't get consistent results (and you won't) from a controlled drop then there is no way in hell you will get consistent results on a craps table designed to make the outcome random.

Your logic also fails when you say the only pass line bettors that make money are the ones dice controlling. Well, let's say you can control the dice to even a small degree (which you CAN'T), why would you not teach yourself to throw a 7 which is the most common number and you may hit by accident anyway and bet the piss out of the dark side?

I saw this nonsense a while back and saw several sites dedicated to it and wondered if it was possible at all. It isn't and the proof is all those idiots are still broke as a joke.

Honestly, if you believe in this witchcraft then just stop posting because any credibility you might have had is wiped out, just like your pass line bets.


Well i was of that same opinion....... Ya can't control dice till i was proven wrong after being called stubborn and closed minded. I have seen it many many times and ridden with it thats just fact...but yes there are times when it does not work worth a shit..... If it was not a threat to casinos why are they so adamant about your release point.... 3rd waring and you are outta there ...and this has been the case at every casino i have been to all over the US and overseas...there is something to it..i just don't want to invest the time to get good at it

I do well as it is and have won 20 str sessions before i get a "Hot Shooter" and get drilled........ The first time i went to PR i was going to stay 6 weeks...From day 1 i was making so much money I stayed 4 months....... NOT 1 SHOOTER .......ZEEERO MADE MORe than 3 points in 4 months.....

..That was it for LAS VEGAS FOR ME.......
 
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