Getting real tired of this....

[DOGS THAT BARK]

This is beginning to really irritate me....

The city of Cleveland will send out 260 layoff notices next week, mostly to younger employees who work for the police and fire departments, as well as EMS.

Here is the entire link:
http://www.fox8.com/news/wjw-cleveland-layoffs-260-employees-txt,0,1843453.story

More from Cleveland:
Schools....
The school board voted Tuesday to lay off more than 700 teachers union members and 68 paraprofessionals, or aides. Teachers protested, but interim Chief Executive Officer Peter Raskind said he couldn't ignore a "stubborn set of facts," namely a $47.5 million deficit and shrinking enrollment.

The link:
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/04/cleveland_school_layoffs_cast.html

The bold type - they lay off police and fire....they lay off teachers and aides.
These are the people who are actually doing the work. Layoffs are necessary - budgets have to be balanced - I understand that. Why do we not see administrators and clerical staff in the schools as well as city officials and secretaries, etc in the city government being laid off? I am pretty damn sure that the city and schools will still operate quite well without all the bureaucrats, etc clogging up the works.
Makes me sick.

Make all the Cleveland jokes you want - this is happening across the country and they always hit the police and fire and teachers. There are less essential 'extra' employees that should go first in my opinion.

Lets start with 1st link on police and fire department layoff--here is part of article that seemed to be "overlooked" :SIB

The city wants the unions to agree to four percent paycuts. Non-union employees will receive those cuts in the form of ten furlough days.

Jackson adds that if everyone takes the cut, it is 95 percent certain that there will be no layoffs in Cleveland in 2010.

amazing how a few facts changes entire perspective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ssd]

DTB:
Yes - the article does state that. Again, this thread got derailed - I am tired of politicians using teachers and police as the carrot in these situations.
That was my point.

 

[The Sponge]

Hate to break it to you, Spongie, but of all people on this board, you are the most likely to be 100% scumbag. You have no value.

u never answered my earlier post.:shrug: Why can't Phil Knight settle for 200 million a year instead of a billion? As a matter of fact why can't these health insurance companies settle for a hundred million a year instead of 4 billion. :shrug: U can try and mislead people all u want about why health insurance is so high, but most realize The ceo's of these health insurance companies are the problem with their thirst for greed.
You keep on talking like it is all the unions fault and guys like the CEO who was sent packing from GM, laugh out the door with his 100 million dollar retirement package.

 

[Trench]

Again, this thread got derailed - I am tired of politicians using teachers and police as the carrot in these situations.
That was my point.

I would think the Republican "Budget Reform" scam would be obvious to everyone by now...

1. Cut taxes for corporations and the wealthy.

2. With those tax cuts, create budget shortfalls or worsen existing budget shortfalls created by the recession.

3. Blame public employees and unions for the budget shortfalls. Channel the public fear and uncertainty created by the recession toward those same public employees and unions.

4. After demanding wage and benefit consessions from all public employees, go for the jugular by demanding they also surrender all collective bargaining rights.

5. If public employees and unions don't agree to demands, create more fear and uncertainty among the general public by threatening to fire the most visible of those public employees -- teachers, police & firemen.

6. If the Republican plan to crush any remaining checks and balances to the influence of corporations and big money interests in our political system succeeds, the metamorphosis from a Democracy to a Plutocracy will be complete.

That's the Republican plan anyway. Personally, I don't believe the American experiment in Democracy is over just yet. We'll see how it plays out...

 

[Lumi]

That's the Republican plan anyway. Personally, I don't believe the American experiment in Democracy is over just yet. We'll see how it plays out...

Whose plan?

 

[Chadman]

Lets start with 1st link on police and fire department layoff--here is part of article that seemed to be "overlooked" :SIB

The city wants the unions to agree to four percent paycuts. Non-union employees will receive those cuts in the form of ten furlough days.

Jackson adds that if everyone takes the cut, it is 95 percent certain that there will be no layoffs in Cleveland in 2010.

amazing how a few facts changes entire perspective!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How does this "change perspective?" From the article "which seems to be overlooked," the unions have agreed to wage and pension cuts and will submit a proposal. Other unions have accepted the furlough days.

What is your point, again? The difference here, I assume, compared to say, Wisconsin, is that if this is REALLY a financial situation it should all get worked out above board if both sides agree and as you point out, 95% won't lose their jobs.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

How does this "change perspective?" From the article "which seems to be overlooked," the unions have agreed to wage and pension cuts and will submit a proposal. Other unions have accepted the furlough days.

What is your point, again? The difference here, I assume, compared to say, Wisconsin, is that if this is REALLY a financial situation it should all get worked out above board if both sides agree and as you point out, 95% won't lose their jobs.

If you can't tell the diff--nothing I would say would change your mind-

It's similiar drive by media's tax cuts for the rich headlines--when fact of the matter is everyone got tax cut--but the adding those facts kills their talking points.

Same here--big news 260 police/firemen to be laid off-

nowhere to be found--

--if they don't take 4% pay cut

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

Same shit, different day. Same ol' poor fools fighting for corporations. I get disgusted more and more.

 

[Chadman]

Ok, so the standard we will now employ for all of our posted stories is that the entire story has to be in the headline to make it valid? I'll try to remember that the next time you post something from Drudge that doesn't even relate what the story is about - let alone not having most of the gist of things in the header...

By the way, the part of the story you say was impossible to find was easily found in the second paragraph.

And the thing I like the best in your complaint about how this story was reported: it came from a Fox affiliate... :mj07:

 

[rusty]

We have to stop rewarding corporations for sending jobs out of the country. People have to get back to work and start buying things again. But with oil and health care pecking at every working man's walet then we better get used to it.

Dont forget the cost of what it takes to feed a family.

 

[rusty]

But won't the cost of goods increase so much, that it would hurt the economy as a whole? I'd figure most goods would double in price, maybe triple.

For the majority of the population, that would be a bad thing I would think....

Mags,I think the cost of goods have already doubled,where have you been?Just look at the fading dollar.

 

[Mags]

Mags,I think the cost of goods have already doubled,where have you been?Just look at the fading dollar.

True - but what do you think it would do to the costs of good made abroad today, when they are currently paying $1.00 per hour for labor, and, by bringing it to the states and unionizing the labor it would likely be $20 per hour WITH benefits?

No more cheap goods for US folks.... my point is, would that be better for us?

I already know the union supporter's answer.. :facepalm:

 

[Duff Miver]

True - but what do you think it would do to the costs of good made abroad today, when they are currently paying $1.00 per hour for labor, and, by bringing it to the states and unionizing the labor it would likely be $20 per hour WITH benefits?

No more cheap goods for US folks.... my point is, would that be better for us?

I already know the union supporter's answer.. :facepalm:

10% plus unemployment, the destruction of the middle class, teachers, police and firefighters laid off, home sales in the crapper, young mothers working as prostitutes, infrastructure decaying, cities and states bankrupt......

all so Maggot can save two bucks on a t-shirt at Wal*Mart and a Goldman VP can get his $100 million bonus.

I hope you enjoy your third world country, Maggot.

 

[StevieD]

The cheap goods makes me laugh. Like the Nikes that they make for about 4 bucks and charge over $100? Yeah, these guys are really doing us favors sending the jobs over seas. They should all be hung for treason instead of collecting multi million dollar bonuses and collecting tax brakes.

 

[Mags]

10% plus unemployment, the destruction of the middle class, teachers, police and firefighters laid off, home sales in the crapper, young mothers working as prostitutes, infrastructure decaying, cities and states bankrupt......

all so Maggot can save two bucks on a t-shirt at Wal*Mart and a Goldman VP can get his $100 million bonus.

I hope you enjoy your third world country, Maggot.

Hey Ass Diver:

I really don't think bringing Nike back to the US is going to solve all your social woes you list......

Certainly increasing the costs of everyday goods for everyone will hurt the economy greatly.... jeesh, looks how up in arms everyone gets when gas goes from $3.00 to $4.00 per gallon - and that is only a 33% increase... imagine goods, etc going up 200-300%, due to union labor. You think the poor are poor now?

Yea, lets screw this global economy thing, and not let anything into our country (goods, illegal aliens, etc) - let's just close the boarder so tight that a strong wind can't get through.... GREAT IDEA!

Of course, what happens to OUR goods that we export... oh yea, that might kinda hurt too.....

 

[ssd]

Personally, I am not concerned about price inflation from Union v non union workers.

I am concerned about the inflation that will occur if (when) the US Dollar loses reserve status. That is when the shit hits the fan.

 

[bleedingpurple]

Really do not think anyone would pay $160 t0 $240 for a pair of your average Nike but what the hell do I know. :shrug:

 

[Lumi]

Sorry you have to work as a prostitute Duff

 

[Duff Miver]

Sorry you have to work as a prostitute Duff

Out of your price range.

 

[Lumi]

I have $7.00 bucks in front of me right now