heres the rule guys...

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this is what you said...

"Honestly, if you guys are complaining about a loss because of a forward pass at the end of the game, then you need to not blame the call, but your capping skills. It was a miracle and luck that it came to that point anyway.

I had no bet on the game, so don't tell me I'm picking sides.

Like AGENT would say, pull your socks back up and try again next week."


some guys took a horrible beat on(at best) a totally bogus(at worst),possibly fixed call with no time left on the clock and were venting their frustrations...

you went into several threads with what sounded like a sanctimonious,mean spirited smack down...i don`t know why you decided to rub salt in the wound...i mean we`ve all been there many times...i certainly wouldn`t do that to my fellow posters....,but that`s how it sounded....


if i misunderstood your post,i profusely apologize...

Understood.

Pretty harsh coming off from me, so I do understand the slash back. The beats I've taken lately could be a direct effect of that as well, no excuse though.

I apolgozie to anyone for coming off that way. Shouldn't have critisized the capping skills.

Like I said, want to get your money back, take the Browns tomorrow.
 

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Understood.

Pretty harsh coming off from me, so I do understand the slash back. The beats I've taken lately could be a direct effect of that as well, no excuse though.

I apolgozie to anyone for coming off that way. Shouldn't have critisized the capping skills.

Like I said, want to get your money back, take the Browns tomorrow.

:toast:
 

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How can you sit here and complain about a forward pass or illegal forward pass and complaining as to why you lost your bet. Good lord, I've seen much worse. If that's your best argument, then move along to next week.

My point is that if you sitting at the end of a game and hoping for a miracle to happen to cover, then I don't know what to do to help yah.

now you are just being flat out fucking stupid,,,,,

I NEVER think a game is FIXED,,,,,,,,not even after the bullshit that happened with USC last night........this, however, was really, really bad. This had nothing to do with handicapping skills..........shit like that happens in the first qtr of lots of games, it just doesnt get reversed to the Vegas slop sides..............I personally am disgusted.

Is this gonna "make or break" my bankroll ????
Absolutely not..........THAT is where handicapping skills come in to. Now shut your ass, collect your free money (San Diego players) and move on to the next................and YES........ I am VERY pissed off.......should have covered the game and the 2nd half.............:mad:
 

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now you are just being flat out fucking stupid,,,,,

I NEVER think a game is FIXED,,,,,,,,not even after the bullshit that happened with USC last night........this, however, was really, really bad. This had nothing to do with handicapping skills..........shit like that happens in the first qtr of lots of games, it just doesnt get reversed to the Vegas slop sides..............I personally am disgusted.

Is this gonna "make or break" my bankroll ????
Absolutely not..........THAT is where handicapping skills come in to. Now shut your ass, collect your free money (San Diego players) and move on to the next................and YES........ I am VERY pissed off.......should have covered the game and the 2nd half.............:mad:

First of all, read through the thread and you'd see that I've said that I didn't even bet on the game. I rarely even bet on NFL games.

As far as saying this happens in the 1st quarter is pretty laughable. Teams don't go in shotgun throw a pass to the middle of the field and attempt throw backs like this game. Find me any game in the history of the NFL where this has ever happened.

As far as your bankroll comment, that's irrelevant to some. Some people bet 10$ on a line, and some bet thousands. However, your response seems to come off as it hurt pretty bad.

Move on and get 'em tomorrow.
 
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Directly from NFL.com article excerpts

Directly from NFL.com article excerpts

The first such score in 12,837 NFL games was in jeopardy when Troy Polamalu returned an errant lateral 12 yards for an apparent touchdown on the final play. The play was overturned on review -- it was called an illegal forward pass -- and the 11-10 final was restored.

After the game, referee Scott Green said the officials realized afterward the touchdown should have counted, though it wouldn't have affected the result.



Will not change the loss that I had on the Steelers, the 2nd half push, and the loss of 2k.
 

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The first such score in 12,837 NFL games was in jeopardy when Troy Polamalu returned an errant lateral 12 yards for an apparent touchdown on the final play. The play was overturned on review -- it was called an illegal forward pass -- and the 11-10 final was restored.

After the game, referee Scott Green said the officials realized afterward the touchdown should have counted, though it wouldn't have affected the result.



Will not change the loss that I had on the Steelers, the 2nd half push, and the loss of 2k.

Bullsh!t...total points factor in tiebreaker...it did affect the result. NFL SUCKS and finally got caught red handed fixing a game in front of a national audience. Disgraceful
 

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Can the NFL change the score hours after a final? I bet the offshore people would not honor the changed score. Any thoughts?

I believe there was a college BB game (UCLA in playoffs) where the score was changed about 20 hours after the game. This happened last year I think.
 

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I have watched replays, but did not watch the game live at all. This is what I have gathered so far...

1. There was no flag thrown on the play.
2. Since all reviews are initiated by the booth inside of two minutes, someone from the booth called down to the officials to have this reviewed.
3. The officials ruled that there was an illegal forward pass.
4. Since the clock had expired and the game "can end" on a foul committed by the offense, GAME OVER and wipe the score off the board.

My questions are these...
Which pass was called illegal? Was there "indisputable video evidence"?

From what I've seen on the replays, I can't find a pass that looks anywhere close to forward. I mean it's one thing to miss a call on the field, BUT after you review it, AND OVERTURN IT! How is it even possible to make that bad of a decison?

Does anyone at Madjacks know which of the passes was actually ruled as forward?
 
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GW,
How the hell R U?

First, NO book is going to honor a changed score.
Payoffs are final.

Second, for the Vegas conspiracy theorists, a true story:
I was behind the counter at the sportsbook one night, watching the final minutes of a game and waiting to watch over payouts, when Giants HC Jim Fassel had his QB run a few plays rather than pass, while deep in enemy territory, to use up the clock and end the game.

A tourist came up to the counter, screaming, saying that we called the coach and told him to not run any more plays so he would lose his bet on the Over.

I'm not kidding, I'm not making this up.
This guy was real, or unreal if you would, he meant it, he believed it.

Security came over, I said, "Let me handle this."
I said to Joe Tourist,
"Let me see if I have this right - you think that:
A - I have coach Fassels cell phone number
B - I called him
C - He answered it, IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME, IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF FANS AND PEOPLE WATCHING ON TV
D - I told him what to do
and . . .
C - HE LISTENED TO ME??!!
All because YOU have a couple thousand on a game?"

The guy was ballistic, not to mention mental, and security removed him.


Are games fixed?
Of course.
And anyone who thinks it's just the college game (although the biggest crooks are in NCAA hoops where the nature and variety of games allows them to more easily remain undiscovered) can write to Tim Donaghy and ask him - care of Club Fed, Florida Chapter.
It's not the ones we know of that I wonder about, the ones proven in court, it's the ones we don't know about.

Are all, or most games fixed? No.
But what is the ratio of known ones vs unknown?
I don't know. But it is naive to think the only ones it happened in are the ones where players, refs, or time keepers (remember the NBA guy who got caught holding back on the clock so he could hit his Over bets?) actually got caught and convicted.
And there have been enough of those to kill the "sports aren't fixed" argument.

But don't buy into "Vegas did it" or the ignorance of clowns who state in their columns "the Pitt/SD game saved bookmakers 32 million" because no one has those numbers, and that's not what this was about.
It's not about a city, or a business, it's about a couple of little guys in striped shirts.
The amount of money exchanging hands on games is mind-boggling, and the variety of ways to do so leaves anonymity almost guaranteed. And when the economy is troubled, as it is today, all forms of gambling see revenue spikes. Same as it ever was: the policy racket soared during the Depression.

"Vegas" did not get on the phone yesterday and tell the refs "Hey, screw Pittsburgh for us today, we need SD" any more than I got on the phone and called Fassel that day.
It doesn't work like that, that's not what happened.
Bookmakers win, and take losses. The losses don't come out of their pocket, and it is an expected part of the job. And books are a VERY small % the houses P and L anyway.

No in-season football game makes that big a difference, and even the Super Bowl is still a small piece of the overall picture, one that involves slots, craps, cards, hotel rooms, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

"Vegas" is not one huge conglomerate, with one single purpose or outcome desired on any one game.
Not every house, needs the same team, every game.
"Vegas" does not get on the phone and call anybody.
EVERY betting scandal, every conviction that has ever resulted from them, has been individuals in small groups.
And sometimes, they wear striped shirts to work . . .
 
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Is this true?

They said that late on ESPN.

Also, the way the referee made it sound, they RULED the play based on the 2nd part, but while looking at a different part.

I'd be shocked if the NFL did anything other than admit a mistake. Even if so, I'd like to see the book who would still payout lOL
 

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#21 passed it forward to #89..

from the 25.5 yd line to the 26.5 yd line..

does that end the play?
 

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GW,
How the hell R U?

First, NO book is going to honor a changed score.
Payoffs are final.

Second, for the Vegas conspiracy theorists, a true story:
I was behind the counter at the sportsbook one night, watching the final minutes of a game and waiting to watch over payouts, when Giants HC Jim Fassel had his QB run a few plays rather than pass, while deep in enemy territory, to use up the clock and end the game.

A tourist came up to the counter, screaming, saying that we called the coach and told him to not run any more plays so he would lose his bet on the Over.

I'm not kidding, I'm not making this up.
This guy was real, or unreal if you would, he meant it, he believed it.

Security came over, I said, "Let me handle this."
I said to Joe Tourist,
"Let me see if I have this right - you think that:
A - I have coach Fassels cell phone number
B - I called him
C - He answered it, IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME, IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF FANS AND PEOPLE WATCHING ON TV
D - I told him what to do
and . . .
C - HE LISTENED TO ME??!!
All because YOU have a couple thousand on a game?"

The guy was ballistic, not to mention mental, and security removed him.


Are games fixed?
Of course.
And anyone who thinks it's just the college game (although the biggest crooks are in NCAA hoops where the nature and variety of games allows them to more easily remain undiscovered) can write to Tim Donaghy and ask him - care of Club Fed, Florida Chapter.
It's not the ones we know of that I wonder about, the ones proven in court, it's the ones we don't know about.

Are all, or most games fixed? No.
But what is the ratio of known ones vs unknown?
I don't know. But it is naive to think the only ones it happened in are the ones where players, refs, or time keepers (remember the NBA guy who got caught holding back on the clock so he could hit his Over bets?) actually got caught and convicted.
And there have been enough of those to kill the "sports aren't fixed" argument.

But don't buy into "Vegas did it" or the ignorance of clowns who state in their columns "the Pitt/SD game saved bookmakers 32 million" because no one has those numbers, and that's not what this was about.
It's not about a city, or a business, it's about a couple of little guys in striped shirts.
The amount of money exchanging hands on games is mind-boggling, and the variety of ways to do so leaves anonymity almost guaranteed. And when the economy is troubled, as it is today, all forms of gambling see revenue spikes. Same as it ever was: the policy racket soared during the Depression.

"Vegas" did not get on the phone yesterday and tell the refs "Hey, screw Pittsburgh for us today, we need SD" any more than I got on the phone and called Fassel that day.
It doesn't work like that, that's not what happened.
Bookmakers win, and take losses. The losses don't come out of their pocket, and it is an expected part of the job. And books are a VERY small % the houses P and L anyway.

No in-season football game makes that big a difference, and even the Super Bowl is still a small piece of the overall picture, one that involves slots, craps, cards, hotel rooms, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

"Vegas" is not one huge conglomerate, with one single purpose or outcome desired on any one game.
Not every house, needs the same team, every game.
"Vegas" does not get on the phone and call anybody.
EVERY betting scandal, every conviction that has ever resulted from them, has been individuals in small groups.
And sometimes, they wear striped shirts to work . . .

hey sonny...miss hearing from you around here and particularly in the boxing forum........if there`s any shenanigans,i would guess it would have to be the ref crews that do the deed...


ii used to believe that all the fix talk was garbage...but,i`ve changed my mind on the issue...

is it widespread?....i seriously doubt it...but with the internet and so many props and angles,i`ve come to the conclusion that the guys on the lower end of the sports food chain(refs in particular..see the nba) would have to be tempted to grab something for themselves...

i mean,how much do these guys make?...on the road constantly...who wouldn`t be tempted?...

sonny...don`t be a stranger(believe me,,this guy knows his shit....:yup)
 
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Thanks for the comments GW,
Been on the road a lot, in Vegas this weekend, but looks like I'll finally be setting down for a few months in Vancouver starting next week.
Once settled, I'll be able to drop by more often.

Wanted to join in the "this place sux since the service plays forums were booted" discussion, but MJ as usual has a handle on it and doesn't need any help.

MJ's was here b4 the little service play monkeys flew in, it'll be here long after they're gone.

I've visited there once or twice,
ya gotta love the guys that post, bleeding desperation:

"LAWRENCE HAS HIS GAME OF THE YEAR TODAY!
ANYBODY GOT IT?
PLEASE!"

I'm always tempted to post the reply:

"Don't worry, if you miss it today you can always get it next week!"

but I figure that if they are asking for the play, then they are, by definition, too stupid to get the sarcasm . . .

I'm off to the box forum to say hey to Frank and the guys and offer an Oscar/Manny opinion.

Take care . . .
 
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