Hope I'm not offending any of our Muslim members but.....

[kosar]

They just showed a split screen of four different riots STILL going on. 2 in Afghanistan, 1 in Iran and 1 in Iraq. One of the Iranian rioters had a sign, written in English, saying 'down with Denmark and France.' Just mind-boggling.

Mind-boggling that anybody can possibly think we have a shot in hell of changing anything over there. Ever.

 

[Nole]

It's a start.


KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- Afghan police have shot and killed several protesters trying to storm a U.S. military base, bringing the death toll from this week's violent demonstrations over caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed to at least 10.

nole

 

[dawgball]

Mind-boggling that anybody can possibly think we have a shot in hell of changing anything over there. Ever.

Not saying that I 100% agree with our tactics right now or anything to that effect, but what are we supposed to do? Just bow down to these people and let them rampage freely? Do you really think they will stay away from the rest of the world?

I don't know what to do, but ignoring it surely can't be the best move.

 

[kosar]

Not saying that I 100% agree with our tactics right now or anything to that effect, but what are we supposed to do? Just bow down to these people and let them rampage freely? Do you really think they will stay away from the rest of the world?

I don't know what to do, but ignoring it surely can't be the best move.

Who said anything about ignoring them? I'm talking about the total crock of shit that this admin is selling, and plenty are buying, about democracy sweeping across the Middle East if we 'stay the course.'

 

[kosar]

Here are the cartoons. Man, if these things make the whole ME riot????

http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/

 

[dawgball]

Who said anything about ignoring them?

I guess my point is that I took you as saying that you don't think we can change anything over there, so why bother.

I will assume now that I was mistaken in my first assumption.

I do think that we need to continue to put efforts in improving situations over there for our fellow man, but I have frustration with Bush's plan. I do think we should "stay the course", but I would like to see a different course drawn for our continuation.

 

[kosar]

I guess my point is that I took you as saying that you don't think we can change anything over there, so why bother.

I will assume now that I was mistaken in my first assumption.

I do think that we need to continue to put efforts in improving situations over there for our fellow man, but I have frustration with Bush's plan. I do think we should "stay the course", but I would like to see a different course drawn for our continuation.

No, I didn't mean that but I can see where it might have seemed like it.

We should be aggressive in going after threats to America. Namely, terrorist organizations and terrorist states (one and the same in some cases nowadays).

Attacking, invading, occupying and rebuilding Iraq and trying to create and sustain peaceful 'democracies' in the ME does not fall in that category and is impossible.

We should accept the fact that we will never Americanize any country over there and we need to stop being so arrogant to think that we can.

We are currently spending lives and billions on a country and all we will have done is installed a radical Islam government. Or maybe not 'installed', but paved the way.

With all the shrill posts about 'terror' and Islamfascists, that doesn't really seem to bother anybody. 2300 dead, 16,000 wounded, hundreds of billions all just to get terrorist/Iranian sympathetic Muslims voted into office. WTF is the point of this 'course?'

 

[mcgruder]

Editorial cartoons distasteful? Yes

Editorial cartoons distasteful? Yes

This from my local newspaper and I agree!


Some Muslims around the world are angry to the point of violent and even deadly protests over publication in Denmark of editorial cartoons that included the Prophet Muhammad ? one which showed Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb.

The editorial cartoons were first printed in Danish newspapers and then later in publications in other countries, most of them European. Islamic law forbids any illustrations of the Prophet Muhammad out of fear that they could lead to idolatry.

Well, we can certainly understand why Muslims are upset. It?s never pleasant to see a religious or even political figure that means so much to you to be defiled in print or in any visual format.

But Islamic law does not rule the world. And Islamic law does not trump freedom of expression. And Islamic law does not give those who have good reason to find the editorial cartoons repugnant the right to destroy the property of other countries and to terrorize, injure and perhaps even kill innocents.
And we also wonder where is the Islamic outrage when other religious leaders ? whether Christian, Jewish or of other faiths ? are depicted in a horrible fashion? And where is the Islamic outrage when Western leaders, whether U.S. President George W. Bush or British Prime Minister Tony Blair or others, are portrayed as godless people? And where is the Islamic outrage when disgusting anti-Semitic editorial cartoons and other visuals are openly printed, especially in some Islamic Middle East countries?

It?s obviously nowhere to be found. To do so, some cowards who support terrorism and hide behind the Islamic religion would have to declare a jihad on themselves.

Freedom can often be messy. Freedom of expression can often be hurtful. But there is nothing more meaningful in life than to have freedom even with some of the flaws that comes with it as baggage.

The editorial cartoons should be labeled for what they are ? profane in the minds and hearts of Muslims. But the freedom of an editorial cartoonist to draw them and of a newspaper to print them should not be compromised by giving in to an Islamic view of how the world should be.

 

[smurphy]

One of the Iranian rioters had a sign, written in English, saying 'down with Denmark and France.' Just mind-boggling.

To be fair, I've seen Gardenweasel use that very same protest sign - only the order of death was reversed on his.

 

[kosar]

To be fair, I've seen Gardenweasel use that very same protest sign - only the order of death was reversed on his.

That's true. Hmmmmm, things are starting to come into fodus.

 

[pharlap]

This is also a sign of frustration from Muslims regarding the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq based on lies and over 100 years of western imperialiasm on Islamic lands...as noted in this article. They see all of this as an attack on Islam.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4678220.stm

How about the lies stirred up by the Danish Muslim delegates who travelled to the mid-east looking for support, but thought that the origninal cartoons were not inflamatory enough so they added a couple that were sure to get a reaction....like the one showing Mohammed as a pedaphile. Or my favourite, where they represented it to be a representation of Mohammed as a pig. IN fact it shows Jacques Barrot, a pig squealing contestant at a festival in Trie-sur-Baise, and had nothing to do with Mohammed, Islam or "how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims", as stated by the Danish Iman stirring up the trouble.


They are just a bunch of fruit cakes looking for something at which they can aim their maniacal rantings.

 

[kosar]

How about the lies stirred up by the Danish Muslim delegates who travelled to the mid-east looking for support, but thought that the origninal cartoons were not inflamatory enough so they added a couple that were sure to get a reaction....like the one showing Mohammed as a pedaphile. Or my favourite, where they represented it to be a representation of Mohammed as a pig. IN fact it shows Jacques Barrot, a pig squealing contestant at a festival in Trie-sur-Baise, and had nothing to do with Mohammed, Islam or "how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims", as stated by the Danish Iman stirring up the trouble.


They are just a bunch of fruit cakes looking for something at which they can aim their maniacal rantings.

Yep, yep and yep.

 

[xenon]

How about the lies stirred up by the Danish Muslim delegates who travelled to the mid-east looking for support, but thought that the origninal cartoons were not inflamatory enough so they added a couple that were sure to get a reaction....like the one showing Mohammed as a pedaphile. Or my favourite, where they represented it to be a representation of Mohammed as a pig. IN fact it shows Jacques Barrot, a pig squealing contestant at a festival in Trie-sur-Baise, and had nothing to do with Mohammed, Islam or "how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims", as stated by the Danish Iman stirring up the trouble.


They are just a bunch of fruit cakes looking for something at which they can aim their maniacal rantings.

I agree the danish are idiots