i was seriously thinking about hatton until i saw hbo 24-7....

[gardenweasel]

my bad......whoops..roger mayweather trained rahman for ruiz....

still think that floyd sr is a horrible choice as trainer ...roach vs mayweather is a total mismatch....

i honestly thought that ricky`s size and rough housing style with strong body work would give manny fits....

and when roach admitted on hbo 24-7 that he saw i.v. marks on oscar`s arm when he came into the ring,that basically told us all we needed to know about why manny basically walked through dlh.....

oh ricky...wtf are you thinking?...

 

[Kramden]

I think Floyd Sr. is a solid trainer. He's somewhat of a boxing savant even though he comes across as a complete mental midget but I think he really sees things in there and may have a special gift as a trainer.

That said, after watching both fighters work, even though limited, I really think Pacman has it all over Hatton. Hatton is quick, Pacman is quicker. It looked like Hatton was just learning some of the pivoting that Pacman does instinctively and with blazing speed. And I don't think Hatton is even physically stronger than Pacman.

This is another fight where Manny will look very good. KO win for Pacman in about 9 rounds. Manny is a special guy and I think this weight gain has been hugely beneficial to him.

 

[nj]

hmm i see it the opposite way. id give floyd sr the edge over roach.

i wrote about this in another thread, i think what gives hatton a chance is his footspeed and ability to close the gap so quickly. if hatton keeps this close he can win. against mayweather, he left himself wide open whenever he tried to close the gap. if floyd sr trains him properly, and he can get inside on manny without being knocked the hell out in the process, he stands a very good chance here.

if sr and hatton had 2 years together, i would play hatton without hesitation. but 2 training camps alone cant reform a brawler, so at these lines, my play would be small on hatton and medium/large 'doesnt go the distance'.

 

[gardenweasel]

i think strategy wise,that floyd` sr is an idiot....

listen to this garbage...

http://www.viddler.com/explore/mightygloves/videos/46/

it`s incoherent..."wait for manny to jab and throw the left hook over it"..??...

manny was hitting oscar with straight lefts...and oscar was throwing punches over a crouching manny`s head all night....

hatton`s in deep do-do(,trainer-wise),imo...roach is so superior to mayweather...

you can`t go by a dehydrated oscar who needed to be i.v`ed prior to the fight....manny was handed a gift.....


it`s ashamed...i really think hatton would`ve had a shot...not now...

 

[The Sponge]

I don't know Wease i thought Hatton looked terrific against Paulie.

 

[gardenweasel]

if it keeps goin` up,i`ll be on him in spite of mayweather...

i think theres a chance he can just rough up and outlast pacquaio...

i don`t recall pacquaio being in with any real physical guys(diaz doesn`t count..lol)...lots of moderately paced boxer/punchers(barrera/marquez/oscar)....many of which were at the end of their careers...

not many high pressure guys that are bigger and stronger...i think hatton recognizes what a win over manny does for his career...it exorcises the floyd jr loss...

that`s hatton`s ONLY loss...to the pfp best fighter in the world...and truth be told,hatton gave him some trouble...

i guess we have an honest disagreement on whether mayweather sr. is smart enough to devise a real gameplan for manny....

that`s what makes this place so interesting...

btw...i need to go back and see which lefties hatton fought and how he fared...

collazo gave him a fit at 147...but he also gave berto a fit...no shame in that...

 

[THE_THONG]

mayweather sr is funny as hell

he cracks me up

 

[frank s.]

Hatton isn't an old broken down sack of shit as is DLH. Hatton ain't afraid to mess up his pretty face. I say Pac man has it over Ricky in many aspects, but Hatton will fight 100% and not look like a lump of crap sitting on his stool, ala, DLH.

 

[The Sponge]

btw...i need to go back and see which lefties hatton fought and how he fared...

collazo gave him a fit at 147...but he also gave berto a fit...no shame in that...

Was thinking of this exact same thing on Saturday.

 

[MayorgaFan]

Urango,Collazo and Eammon Magee. Going by what I saw in those 3 fights I don't really think Hatton likes fighting lefties. He got hurt against all 3 of them.

 

[tonymontana]

Mayweather is a good trainer for Ricky.
getting from brawler to smart brawler.
Ricky Hatton is undefeated at light welter and has very impressive wins in that weight class.
Hatton style is not good for moving up in weight but at light welter he is a force.
I would take Hatton at even money though theres no question for me who to take at these odds.

 

[gardenweasel]

macgee and urango were at 140...and they were fairly comfortable wins....


the lefty thing is a real issue,though...imo,if manny were a righty,we wouldn`t be talking about him...

 

[Ghost Kid]

Urango,Collazo and Eammon Magee. Going by what I saw in those 3 fights I don't really think Hatton likes fighting lefties. He got hurt against all 3 of them.

Bingo.

:iagree:

 

[LordoftheLunch]

I believe in Hatton, I think he can win the fight.
From my point of view he can make it by dec. over 12 rounds. :thinking:

 

[Sonny Palermo]

Stopped by to say hi to the MJ box crowd, and drop in an excerpt on the fight.
GW & Frank, hope all is well with you and yours.
I'm doing great. Will get back in with an update when I am able to.
(And just how good did JMM look against Diaz!)



Some thoughts on Hatton vs. Pacquiao

Throw out the fight against the boxer formerly known as The Golden Boy, now and forever known as Meat Puppet, and I?d be all over Ricky Hatton to beat Manny Pacquiao at the attractive dog price of +200.

Of course, if it wasn?t for Meat, the odds wouldn?t be anywhere near 2-1 for Pac Man.

Back in December, Oscar De La Hoya not only lost to Manny Pacquiao, but did so in shocking fashion to the smaller man. By the time Manny was done with him that night, or, by the time Oscar quit I should say, his face was turned into raw hamburger - and his butcher's name was Manny.

Oscar?s entire career was made irrelevant in that bout.
His fans and family can defend him all they want, but that was a fight he will always be remembered for, a fight in which he was emasculated in the ring, beaten even worse than in Freddie Roach?s wildest pre-fight dreams.

It was reported that for a month following the fight, Oscar became a shut-in, refusing to even answer the door when visitors came to visit at his family home - such was his embarrassment at having been publicly undressed and spanked in front of the whole world.

My question is - why only a month?

But on to current events.

On May 2nd at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, Manny Pacquiao meets Ricky Hatton for something called the IBO light welterweight championship.

When we last saw Pac Man he was beating the Meat.
When we last saw Hatton in a fight, he lost (little Paulie Pasta doesn?t count ? he?s so bad I?m sure even the Meat would beat him easily, that is, if Paulie stopped running long enough) but that loss was to the world?s best pound for pound guy - Floyd Mayweather Junior.


Here are some edges (just my op) to think about as you ponder who to bet on.

Boxing skill ? Pacquiao
Speed ? Pacquiao
Body punching - Hatton
Power ? Hatton
Size ? Hatton
Trainer ? Pacquiao
Height ? Hatton
Reach ? Pacquiao
Hunger ? Hatton

So, which edge will be the deciding factor?

 

[Ghost Kid]

Good stuff Sonny

I would agree with you on Hatton being the hungrier fighter, but I think in the POWER category they might be about equal

Pac has more one punch power, Hatton will be physically stronger in the clinches (if he can get that close)

Actually, Hatton had one fight in between Floyd and Paulie...Juan Lazcano almost knocked him out. This fight keeps appearing in my mind....Hatton supporters say he was sick...but he got caught and caught bad....

 

[Sonny Palermo]

Hey Ghost, I'm still in forum, just doing a look over/edit, and was thinking of adding "slight" to that power edge category.

I know your posts - good to hear from you.
I forgot about the Lazcano fight, didn't see it as I have been really busy on some current projects - haven't seen as many bouts as I normally do. Thanks for picking me up on the miss, and for the update on what happened in the bout.
I'm trying to like Hatton in this one, but just don't know, which means if I do bet, either way, it will be a small wager for me.

I mean, if Manny is smart, and sticks and moves and DOESN'T get caught up in the brawl Ricky wants, shouldn't he win?
And if he doesn't fight smart, won't Roach be smart for him, reminding him what to do in between rounds?
Or is my eye off on Pacquiao and I'm not seeing this one clearly, just because Oscar is soooo bad (and not the George Thorogood good kind of bad)?

Thanks again,
Sonny

 

[gardenweasel]

I believe in Hatton, I think he can win the fight.
From my point of view he can make it by dec. over 12 rounds. :thinking:

welcome aboard,lol..........

/lol

 

[frank s.]

Paulie Pasta? Better not go to Bensonhurst anytime soon Sonny as the "bent nose" crew may have to whack you! We are all good as far as I know and capping here is, as always, in full swing with the boxing crew. Good to see you checking in as we need some humor around here as this crew is sooooo serious about this stuff, BUT, they do love to bet. My head says Pac, my heart says Ricky H.

 

[punchmaster]

So, which edge will be the deciding factor?

Manny's right hook....and perhaps cuts and swelling on white as white can be Hatton's skin. The same right hook that Magee dropped Hatton with along the ropes as Hatton was getting planted to drive the left hook to the bod. Manny can turn that hook over very quickly, ask normally durable chinned Hector Velasquez. I'm not sure about the hunger factor. Manny carries The Phillipines on his shoulders and I'm sure is training like a madman.