i was seriously thinking about hatton until i saw hbo 24-7....

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Stopped by to say hi to the MJ box crowd, and drop in an excerpt on the fight.
GW & Frank, hope all is well with you and yours.
I'm doing great. Will get back in with an update when I am able to.
(And just how good did JMM look against Diaz!)



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hey sonny....how you doin`?.....last time we spoke dlh was getting rehydrated via i.v. just before stepping in the ring....

i`m sure you remember that match between the toad and the steamroller?....lol...

oh well...there was madness all around that night...

swore i`d never do that again...yet,here i sit with the wad riding on anderson silva as the kicker in a slew of parlays...yep,looks as easy as dunking a fisher-price toddler basketball hoop.......
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Speaking of toddler basketball, I did well with my rare foray into kids hoops, finished 7-3, and did a great analysis/selection show on NC beating Mich St in the final, using a boxing analogy you guys would appreciate. In reference to their 1st game when NC beat them by 35:

"In boxing, there are two kinds of rematches:

The first type of rematch is where a fluke is corrected, where the loser of the first bout took his opponent lightly, didn't train properly, got caught off guard and now comes for revenge. Lennox Lewis vs. Hasim Rahman for example.

The second type of rematch is where it?s a case of second verse, same as the first. For example, when Ali knocked out heavyweight champ Sonny Liston, or Forrest beating Mosley.

So which type will the Michigan State vs. North Carolina rematch be: fluke revenged, or second verse, same as the first?

Make no mistake about it - the Spartans were knocked out in the first meeting. It wasn?t a 12 round decision. It wasn?t a TKO, where the ref or doctor stopped it.

It was a mouth-piece-sent-flying, legs-turned-to-jello, "hello-canvas? kind of KO.

It was a ?How-many-fingers-am-I-holding-up? answered with ?Eleven?? kind of knockout."


I cleaned up on those boys in the big game.

Cool part about doing video analysis on boxing - I get to demonstrate what I think might hapeen, visually instead of just using words in a column. For example, the JMM/Diaz bout, I did a piece on camera showing how Diaz jabs and ducks in, and then I played the JMM part and showed how he would counter this with uppercuts, which are one of his specialties.
When we're done doing test shows and begin the real ones I'll send Jack a link.


Anway, just stopped by today to add a caveat, for those that might disagree the Manny fight was a career definer. True, it would be ridiculously unfair based on Oscar's other achievements, but for point of reference, I give you this:

How many boxing fans know (w/out looking it up)who Roberto Duran beat for the lightweight title?

OK, now how many non-Spanish speaking fans know what "no mas" means?

It's not fair, but life often isn't . . .

Thanks to the guys here who add opinions, yeah Frank, it's a little serious, but very active and most importantly informative, and largely w/out the ego's and testosterone overflow you see at less mature sites. Lots of good 2-way info here, simply the best boxing forum on the net.
 
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I'm all over Pacquiao as I was for the Oscar bout. He will approach this fight differently but nevertheless the outcome will be similar with a dejected Hatton sat on his stool sometime around the 10th round.

Pacmans' speed will be the key I think, he's going to tear Hatton's face up real bad.
 

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i can see where some would think manny`s too quick.....he may well be...

but i honestly think that the jury`s out on manny at this weight...he`s had one fight vs a very limited opponent at lightweight(diaz).....and he`s had one at jr welter vs a dlh who,by roach`s own admission,had i.v. marks on his arm the night of the fight....and looked like a dead man walking...and just retired,btw...

soooo...as much as everyone likes manny to beat a legit jr welter in his prime,i think the jury`s stiill out and ricky may be worth a look if the odds keep heading skyward...
 

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manny's 1-punch power is being overrated. it took 9 completely lop-sided rounds to get diaz out, and 8 lop-sided rounds to retire, not KO, oscar.

and both of those fights were target practice. hatton isnt a defensive genius, but hes no david diaz either.

the difference is that hatton moves straight forward into punches liek the check from from floyd jr, so the impact is greater. but remember marquez was aggressive and walked into many of pacquiao's left hands, and couldnt be stopped.
 

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manny's 1-punch power is being overrated. it took 9 completely lop-sided rounds to get diaz out, and 8 lop-sided rounds to retire, not KO, oscar.

and both of those fights were target practice. hatton isnt a defensive genius, but hes no david diaz either.

the difference is that hatton moves straight forward into punches liek the check from from floyd jr, so the impact is greater. but remember marquez was aggressive and walked into many of pacquiao's left hands, and couldnt be stopped.

Kendall Holt undoubtedly has fight ending power at 140 and he was cranking Diaz with some bombs but didn't come close to leaving him half dead , face first on the canvas like Manny did. Almost seemed like Manny was having a good time that night, not sitting down too hard on his punches, putting on a clinic. I recall Marquez walking into about 2 lefts in the second fight, one dropped him and the one that Manny ducked down and ran him into beautifully, buckled him big. There were a few more that Marquez took well. No doubt , Hatton will be by far the strongest guy Manny's been in the ring with. Hatton will walk into the ring at 154 with Manny around 148. Hatton will need to be in a much different place than when he was rocked twice by Lazcano and I think he is, but Manny's been improving his technical skills, footwork , etc for some time now under Roach. Hatton will have to maul him and somehow land the ultimate liver shot like he did against the legless Castillo- unlikely.
 

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I ve always liked Hatton, but his chin has really looked suspect quite a few times after his fight against Zoo.

If Lazcano can hurt him, I'm sure Manny can hurt him too.

Manny though can be outboxed or outmanouvered (in Hattons case you probably wouldnt say outboxed ;-)), if Mayweather comes up with a game plan, like: get in quickly - land a few body punches - clinch, I think he can cause manny some problems.

Hattons footspeed will be the key here and of course if he can avoid Mannys left.

I'm thinking about the over (the line has been going down at some books), Hatton by dec (IMO he doesnt stop Pacman and the line is fairly good) and Pacquioa (he should win this fight, but the line is bad).
 

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i like this analysis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN6_1X-0klo&feature=related


the most telling observation is that manny has never really had to clinch. he's always been on the offensive, and not used to infighting. mayweather jr obviously trained in clinching and beat hatton on the inside, roach is no fool, he'll probably train manny to do the same thing. pac wont have the distance he's accustomed to, interesting to see how he responds.
 

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lazcano looked huge at 140.....compared to manny...

manny doesn`t have tremendous one punch power...until he wears a guy down..

the only difference here is that instead of not getting hit(ala the diaz and dlh fights),he`s gonna get hit...elbowed..foreheaded...shouldered...thrown around and roughed up ala ruiz....anybody else remember manny in a rough,inside fight?...

it`s gonna take him some time to break down hatton...only this time,he`ll have to worry about the other guy for a change...
 
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agapito sanchez is a sort of awkward, roughhousing fighter....and he gave manny a fit until the fight was stopped via a cut in the 6th....i believe that sanchez had some point deductions in that fight(2)....and the scores?...

judge: Raul Caiz Jr 55-57 | 56-56 | judge: Ric Bays 58-54

yes,manny`s improved......still,pretty close...
 

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i put a big wager on hatton at +225, i dont think the line will get much better than that. its too high as is imo

will also add to both guys rds 9-12, maybe 'doesnt go distance' too
 

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When i saw the 2nd segment of Hatton/Pac i now realize why Floyd left his father. My goodness what an attention whore Floyd senior is.
 

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i just watched the 24-7 pt. II and the more i see of the 2 camps,the more sympathy i have for hatton....

i have the feeling that floyd sr trains every fighter the same way.....and i wonder if he even studies tape of their opponent?..

he`s chronically late,seems constantly distracted and self absorbed ,and he`s without a doubt,dumb as a post....

on the other hand,all i see is roach working his arse off.....

a damn shame...i really thought that hatton had a serious shot....

he`s not gonna get any serious advice in the corner from mayweather...

still have a small wager on him at +215...but it`s a throw away...i was considering putting more on him before watching hbo....

i may even switch up if i can find a parlay partner for manny...

g,luck,ricky...i`m a fan...i really respect you for coming to the states....

but you`re in deep doo-doo,brother.......:sadwave:
 

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kiss of death for Hatton tonight....Atlas picked him to win on FNF

place your Pac bets
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Mayweather is a good trainer for Ricky.
getting from brawler to smart brawler.
Ricky Hatton is undefeated at light welter and has very impressive wins in that weight class.
Hatton style is not good for moving up in weight but at light welter he is a force.
I would take Hatton at even money though theres no question for me who to take at these odds.
I am 100% in agreement with Tony.

This is not a skin and bones, weight weakened, weigh the same depleted weight as the weigh in, Fuckwit like DLH.
I believe Hatton would have killed DLH on that night and Pac now seems to have an unbeatable aura for some people now that he has slewn the mighty skin and bones dragon. I, for one, am not buying it.

Pac can be badly hurt and he has quit in the past.
Hatton has very quick feet and will be hitting Pac with elbows, laces, head as well as gloves. He will rough Pac up and potentially cut him up.
Hatton tends to cut easily himself and Pac's speed is blazing BUT Hatton is no slouch in the speed department although he may look slow compared with Pac.

I am loving this fight and will bet BIG on Hatton to win and Hatton to win ITD.

Most people know I bet $15,000 on pretty boy beating Hatton as I thought it was a sure thing.
Pac is nowhere near as skilled as Mayweather, especially when it comes to infighting.

I am not betting anywhere near that amount BUT I do think Hatton is a great bet.

Good Luck All!!!!!!!!!!:toast: :toast: :toast:
 
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