ISRAEL WAR OUR WAR
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Dear Zoomer,
Dear Zoomer,
Ask Your Jewish Friends in the Fire Department..how many of them have served and how many have sons and daughters that are serving.and then I will accept your apology. Be honest and let us know if there are any. I know very well of what I speak sir. I have been going to Jewish wedding's and Bar Mitzvahs all my life. I played basketball at the local Jewish Center for years and for a while belonged to their theater group. Facts are facts sir. I know more about Jewish culture and prejudices than the mainstream "GOYIM".and if u dont know what that means u shouldn't even converse on the subject.
Dear Zoomer,
Ask Your Jewish Friends in the Fire Department..how many of them have served and how many have sons and daughters that are serving.and then I will accept your apology. Be honest and let us know if there are any. I know very well of what I speak sir. I have been going to Jewish wedding's and Bar Mitzvahs all my life. I played basketball at the local Jewish Center for years and for a while belonged to their theater group. Facts are facts sir. I know more about Jewish culture and prejudices than the mainstream "GOYIM".and if u dont know what that means u shouldn't even converse on the subject.
You forgot to mention if you enjoy a bagel in the morning you ignorant dolt.
The difference between you and I is simple. You are filled with hate and I'm not. Nor does it matter to me what a man's religion or nationality is.The basis of prejudice is characterizing an entire group of people and forming a generalization based on the "two" that you know.
The difference between you and I is simple. You are filled with hate and I'm not. Nor does it matter to me what a man's religion or nationality is.The basis of prejudice is characterizing an entire group of people and forming a generalization based on the "two" that you know.
You need to learn
You need to learn
to read English Zoomer.......go back and try again
perhaps with an "English as a 2nd Language at your side". My observations were not based on 2 people but on a lifetime of interaction in the Community.
And coincidentally i'm off to lunch fer a couple of Pastrami sandwiches in a deli that is in the middle of the Ghetto with my Black College degreed plumber who volunteered for duty in Iraq and was first in to look for George's weapons of mass destruction. And may i add served 2 tours because the mouths that sent him there would not step up to do their duty. Like MR Bush they were hiding while soiling themselves just as George did when his call came.
I believe those are the "Nuke Em Now' persons of NEO- CONITAL PERSUASION.
You need to learn
to read English Zoomer.......go back and try again
perhaps with an "English as a 2nd Language at your side". My observations were not based on 2 people but on a lifetime of interaction in the Community.
And coincidentally i'm off to lunch fer a couple of Pastrami sandwiches in a deli that is in the middle of the Ghetto with my Black College degreed plumber who volunteered for duty in Iraq and was first in to look for George's weapons of mass destruction. And may i add served 2 tours because the mouths that sent him there would not step up to do their duty. Like MR Bush they were hiding while soiling themselves just as George did when his call came.
I believe those are the "Nuke Em Now' persons of NEO- CONITAL PERSUASION.
hammer, I would be interested to know what your lunch accomplice who looked for the WMD's in Iraq felt about that issue. Someone who was there, who volunteered for duty. And, what do you feel about that issue, and the current situation there? I'm just curious, as you both served our country (thank you for that) and can give a good perspective.
this new anti-semitism.....it`s another rovian plot....
“I came to the conclusion that the hostile comments about Israel on these liberal blogs are not coming from true liberals. Most of the anti-Semitism comes from racism and most of the racism I have experienced has come from the far right, not the left.
“So my conclusion is that the bloggers who violently hate Israel and see it in black and white terms are not really liberals. They may even be anti-Semites, but they are not representative of the liberal community that was so active in achieving racial and ethnic equality. It is a contradiction for a true liberal to be an anti-Semite.
Furthermore, I would not put it past the right wing to flood the liberal blogs with hateful criticisms of Israel to advance a perception that liberals are anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. And I see Karl Rove’s fingerprints all over this.”
/sheldon drobny.......libral progressive/..from "the american thinker"....
you read some of this stuff...and then you realize how easily a hitler can spring forth and brainwash those that are grasping at their very last brain cell...
i have to admit,though....it does feel damned good to give free rein to one`s inner stormtrooper on occasion.....
“I came to the conclusion that the hostile comments about Israel on these liberal blogs are not coming from true liberals. Most of the anti-Semitism comes from racism and most of the racism I have experienced has come from the far right, not the left.
“So my conclusion is that the bloggers who violently hate Israel and see it in black and white terms are not really liberals. They may even be anti-Semites, but they are not representative of the liberal community that was so active in achieving racial and ethnic equality. It is a contradiction for a true liberal to be an anti-Semite.
Furthermore, I would not put it past the right wing to flood the liberal blogs with hateful criticisms of Israel to advance a perception that liberals are anti-Israel or anti-Semitic. And I see Karl Rove’s fingerprints all over this.”
/sheldon drobny.......libral progressive/..from "the american thinker"....
you read some of this stuff...and then you realize how easily a hitler can spring forth and brainwash those that are grasping at their very last brain cell...
i have to admit,though....it does feel damned good to give free rein to one`s inner stormtrooper on occasion.....
zoomer...
you're wasting your time.
i love it when people say that they're not anti-semetic or not a racist & then the next few sentences they make a anti-semetic or racist remark.
you're wasting your time.
i love it when people say that they're not anti-semetic or not a racist & then the next few sentences they make a anti-semetic or racist remark.
hammer1 said:
Let me see if I have this right, You like Pastrami, You have a black friend, and you know more than 2 Jewish people.
The more you write, the more ignorant you appear.
Impossible to talk with a moron like you. As if you'd ever be anything more than you are.
Classic white trash.
Dear AR,
Dear AR,
Which one is the racist or anti-semitic remark?
And may i ask in what theater u served?
I have yet to have any one here tell me i am incorrect........................any way feel free to prove me wrong....end of topic as far as i'm concerned. I can also say the same about many Born again Christians. My black friend however is a Southern Baptist and seems they have a disproportionate amount of members in the military.
I've been told that along with their belief in God they also have a very strong sense of Patriotism toward country.
Dear AR,
Which one is the racist or anti-semitic remark?
And may i ask in what theater u served?
I have yet to have any one here tell me i am incorrect........................any way feel free to prove me wrong....end of topic as far as i'm concerned. I can also say the same about many Born again Christians. My black friend however is a Southern Baptist and seems they have a disproportionate amount of members in the military.
I've been told that along with their belief in God they also have a very strong sense of Patriotism toward country.
He's wasting his time if somehow you can't remember 911 happened BEFORE we invaded Iraq and was tried previously in 93--and looking the other way "while they were in their caves" sure as hell didn't accomplish anything--so we have proof positive doing nothing isn't a deterent--neither is giving them a get out of jail free card--and Carte Blanche visa to travel and train at will.Appears at least doing something is keeping them confined to their caves.
Some how we came back from war with different attitudes. Out of curiousity what unit were you with in Viet Nam and what was your MOS.
Some how we came back from war with different attitudes. Out of curiousity what unit were you with in Viet Nam and what was your MOS.
I guess there's part of the story and truth in what everyone has to say here. But what is dead nuts on none of us really know and never will. But both sides can take credit for another mess. And some how it will cost us Americans some more from our pockets.
And that you can count on.
And that you can count on.
Lebanese medics are treating children with Phosphorus burns in your war similar to those used on the civilian population at Dresden in WW2. That is the most cowardly and inhumane act right there with Hitler's activities. The Zionists have validated humanities worst. As if not enough of the world hates the Zionists and Americans, they do this.
dan..
you're blaming the wrong people.
the hezbollah is hiding within the lebanese community...they place weapons inside people's houses & under their houses.
nobody is enforcing the u.u.n's (useless united nations) resolution....
israel dropped flyer & made phone calls to the lebanese people to evacuate.
did hezbollah do that ?
etc,etc,etc...
but i guess you feel more comfortable blaming the u.s. & israel...
you're blaming the wrong people.
the hezbollah is hiding within the lebanese community...they place weapons inside people's houses & under their houses.
nobody is enforcing the u.u.n's (useless united nations) resolution....
israel dropped flyer & made phone calls to the lebanese people to evacuate.
did hezbollah do that ?
etc,etc,etc...
but i guess you feel more comfortable blaming the u.s. & israel...
Were these innocents killed because the had hezbollah in their midst?
Were these innocents killed because the had hezbollah in their midst?
Lets hear ur take on this one AR..were they ant-semites perhaps??...I betcha that 12 yr old was a budding racist?
Published on Monday, July 24, 2006 by the Guardian / UK
Blasted by a Missile on the Road to Safety
Family ordered to flee were targeted because they were driving minivan
by Suzanne Goldenberg
The ambulanceman gave Ali the job of keeping his mother alive. The 12-year-old did what he could. "Mama, mama, don't go to sleep," he sobbed, gently patting her face beneath her chin. Behind her black veil, her eyelids were slowly sinking. "I'm going to die," she sighed. "Don't say that, mama," Ali begged, and then slid to the ground in tears.
Ali Sha'ita, 12, is distraught as he tries to comfort his mother, who was wounded when an Israeli missile hit their vehicle, killing three and injuring 16. Photograph: Sean Smith
On the pavement around mother and son were the other members of the Sha'ita family, their faces spattered with each other's blood. All were in varying shades of shock and injury. A tourniquet was tied on Ali's mother's arm. A few metres away, his aunt lay motionless, the white T-shirt beneath her abaya stained red. Two sisters hugged each other and wept, oblivious to the medics tending their wounds. "Let them take me, let them take me," one screamed.
Their mother was placed on a stretcher, and lifted into the ambulance. "God is with you, mama," Ali said. She reached up with her good arm to caress his face.
The Sha'itas had thought they were on the road to safety when they set out yesterday, leaving behind a village which because of an accident of geography - it is five miles from the Israeli border - had seemed to make their home a killing ground. They had been ordered to evacuate by the Israelis.
But they were a little too slow and became separated from the other vehicles fleeing the Israeli air offensive in south Lebanon. Minutes before the Guardian's car arrived, trailing a Red Cross ambulance on its way to other civilian wounded in another town, an Israeli missile pierced the roof of the Sha'itas' white van. Three passengers sitting in the third row were killed instantly, including Ali's grandmother. Sixteen other passengers were wounded. In recent days, families like the Sha'itas are bearing the brunt of Israel's air campaign and its efforts to rid the area of civilians before ground operations. A day after Israel's deadline for people to leave their homes and flee north of the Litani river, roads which in ordinary times wind lazily through tobacco fields and banana groves have been turned into highways of death.
Plumes of smoke rise in the distance, and the road in front of us offers up signs of closer peril: car wrecks, still smoking after Israeli strikes, and abandoned vehicles with shattered rear windows. Some were direct hits by Israeli aircraft. Others were drivers who had lost control. Overhead is the menacing roar of Israeli warplanes and the buzz of drones tracking every movement.
With bridges on the main coastal roads severed by Israeli air strikes, and secondary mountain routes scarred by craters, the means of escape for Lebanese trying to follow Israel's orders are limited. "All the smaller roads leading to the coastal roads are destroyed," said a spokesman for the UN in the border town of Naqoura. "In some areas you have people pushing cars by hand through obstacles made by a rocket or a bomb." By yesterday afternoon, for many villagers, there was truly no way out.
Death came crashing into the Sha'ita family soon after 10am, in the form of an Israeli anti-tank missile, seemingly fired from an Israeli helicopter high overhead, in Kafra, about nine miles from their home. Those passengers who were not killed or injured by shards of burning metal were hurt when the van plunged into the side of a hill.
In their village of et-Tiri, the Sha'itas were an extended clan of 54 people. Between them they had three cars. When the Israeli evacuation order came, in leaflets shot out of aircraft, the family planned at first to stay. "We were at home living our lives," said Musbah Sha'ita, Ali's uncle.
By 7pm on Saturday night, the deadline set by Israel for people in about a dozen villages in south Lebanon to leave, the Sha'itas were close to panic. "Whoever could run was running," said Mr Sha'ita. "I pushed them to go."
One of their fleeing neighbours said he would send transport for them, and the next morning all 54 of the Sha'itas set out in a convoy of three white minivans. That choice of transport proved a fatal mistake.
In their leaflet campaign, the Israelis have warned repeatedly they would consider minivans, trucks and motorcyles as targets. "The minivans are a target for Israel because they can take Katyusha rockets for Hizbullah, so they do not contemplate too long," the UN official said. "They just shoot it."
Dozens of others have met a similar fate as Israeli F-16 jet fighters and attack helicopters intensify a campaign meant to cut off the supply of Hizbullah rockets, and the movement of its fighters.
But Israel's offensive is being felt across a much wider swath of south Lebanon. The Lebanese Red Cross in Tyre said 10 cars carrying civilians and three or four motorcycles had been hit by Israeli missiles yesterday. Red Cross ambulances were no safer; a spokesman said an ambulance had narrowly escaped a missile near the village of el-Qlaile, south of the city. A number of the dead, including the three members of the Sha'ita family, remained trapped in their cars because it was too dangerous to retrieve their bodies.
In Tyre, south Lebanon's main town and a stopping point on the flight to the north, the hospital received a steady flow of injured. By late afternoon there were three dead and 41 injured, two critically."They are bombing them all in their cars," said Ahmed Mrowe, the director of Jabal al-Amal hospital.
Those who choose not to flee - the UN estimates that 35%-40% of villagers are too poor or too frail to make the journey - are being left stranded.
That was the predicament facing the Sha'itas when Musbah Sha'ita urged them to flee. In a car on the way to the hospital, his ear was welded to his phone, trying to find out where his wounded relatives were, and he could not stop blaming himself.
"We put a white flag. We were doing what Israel told us to do," he says. "What more do they want of us?"
Were these innocents killed because the had hezbollah in their midst?
Lets hear ur take on this one AR..were they ant-semites perhaps??...I betcha that 12 yr old was a budding racist?
Published on Monday, July 24, 2006 by the Guardian / UK
Blasted by a Missile on the Road to Safety
Family ordered to flee were targeted because they were driving minivan
by Suzanne Goldenberg
The ambulanceman gave Ali the job of keeping his mother alive. The 12-year-old did what he could. "Mama, mama, don't go to sleep," he sobbed, gently patting her face beneath her chin. Behind her black veil, her eyelids were slowly sinking. "I'm going to die," she sighed. "Don't say that, mama," Ali begged, and then slid to the ground in tears.
Ali Sha'ita, 12, is distraught as he tries to comfort his mother, who was wounded when an Israeli missile hit their vehicle, killing three and injuring 16. Photograph: Sean Smith
On the pavement around mother and son were the other members of the Sha'ita family, their faces spattered with each other's blood. All were in varying shades of shock and injury. A tourniquet was tied on Ali's mother's arm. A few metres away, his aunt lay motionless, the white T-shirt beneath her abaya stained red. Two sisters hugged each other and wept, oblivious to the medics tending their wounds. "Let them take me, let them take me," one screamed.
Their mother was placed on a stretcher, and lifted into the ambulance. "God is with you, mama," Ali said. She reached up with her good arm to caress his face.
The Sha'itas had thought they were on the road to safety when they set out yesterday, leaving behind a village which because of an accident of geography - it is five miles from the Israeli border - had seemed to make their home a killing ground. They had been ordered to evacuate by the Israelis.
But they were a little too slow and became separated from the other vehicles fleeing the Israeli air offensive in south Lebanon. Minutes before the Guardian's car arrived, trailing a Red Cross ambulance on its way to other civilian wounded in another town, an Israeli missile pierced the roof of the Sha'itas' white van. Three passengers sitting in the third row were killed instantly, including Ali's grandmother. Sixteen other passengers were wounded. In recent days, families like the Sha'itas are bearing the brunt of Israel's air campaign and its efforts to rid the area of civilians before ground operations. A day after Israel's deadline for people to leave their homes and flee north of the Litani river, roads which in ordinary times wind lazily through tobacco fields and banana groves have been turned into highways of death.
Plumes of smoke rise in the distance, and the road in front of us offers up signs of closer peril: car wrecks, still smoking after Israeli strikes, and abandoned vehicles with shattered rear windows. Some were direct hits by Israeli aircraft. Others were drivers who had lost control. Overhead is the menacing roar of Israeli warplanes and the buzz of drones tracking every movement.
With bridges on the main coastal roads severed by Israeli air strikes, and secondary mountain routes scarred by craters, the means of escape for Lebanese trying to follow Israel's orders are limited. "All the smaller roads leading to the coastal roads are destroyed," said a spokesman for the UN in the border town of Naqoura. "In some areas you have people pushing cars by hand through obstacles made by a rocket or a bomb." By yesterday afternoon, for many villagers, there was truly no way out.
Death came crashing into the Sha'ita family soon after 10am, in the form of an Israeli anti-tank missile, seemingly fired from an Israeli helicopter high overhead, in Kafra, about nine miles from their home. Those passengers who were not killed or injured by shards of burning metal were hurt when the van plunged into the side of a hill.
In their village of et-Tiri, the Sha'itas were an extended clan of 54 people. Between them they had three cars. When the Israeli evacuation order came, in leaflets shot out of aircraft, the family planned at first to stay. "We were at home living our lives," said Musbah Sha'ita, Ali's uncle.
By 7pm on Saturday night, the deadline set by Israel for people in about a dozen villages in south Lebanon to leave, the Sha'itas were close to panic. "Whoever could run was running," said Mr Sha'ita. "I pushed them to go."
One of their fleeing neighbours said he would send transport for them, and the next morning all 54 of the Sha'itas set out in a convoy of three white minivans. That choice of transport proved a fatal mistake.
In their leaflet campaign, the Israelis have warned repeatedly they would consider minivans, trucks and motorcyles as targets. "The minivans are a target for Israel because they can take Katyusha rockets for Hizbullah, so they do not contemplate too long," the UN official said. "They just shoot it."
Dozens of others have met a similar fate as Israeli F-16 jet fighters and attack helicopters intensify a campaign meant to cut off the supply of Hizbullah rockets, and the movement of its fighters.
But Israel's offensive is being felt across a much wider swath of south Lebanon. The Lebanese Red Cross in Tyre said 10 cars carrying civilians and three or four motorcycles had been hit by Israeli missiles yesterday. Red Cross ambulances were no safer; a spokesman said an ambulance had narrowly escaped a missile near the village of el-Qlaile, south of the city. A number of the dead, including the three members of the Sha'ita family, remained trapped in their cars because it was too dangerous to retrieve their bodies.
In Tyre, south Lebanon's main town and a stopping point on the flight to the north, the hospital received a steady flow of injured. By late afternoon there were three dead and 41 injured, two critically."They are bombing them all in their cars," said Ahmed Mrowe, the director of Jabal al-Amal hospital.
Those who choose not to flee - the UN estimates that 35%-40% of villagers are too poor or too frail to make the journey - are being left stranded.
That was the predicament facing the Sha'itas when Musbah Sha'ita urged them to flee. In a car on the way to the hospital, his ear was welded to his phone, trying to find out where his wounded relatives were, and he could not stop blaming himself.
"We put a white flag. We were doing what Israel told us to do," he says. "What more do they want of us?"
hammer1 said:
The Guardian huh? Winner of 2005 dishonest press award.
You obviously have an agenda. No one "stumbles" on an article from this "newspaper"
This paper is filled with anti American propoganda.
Hey buddy, you sure you're a Vietnam Vet as you say? I think you're a lying phony.
The Guardian
The Guardian found itself red-faced by what became known as Sassygate: As exposed by blogger Scott Burgess, the paper hired trainee journalist Dilpazier Aslam, whose coverage of July's London terror attacks included a commentary sympathizing with the bombers. It turned out that Aslam was a member of Hizb Ut Tahrir, an Islamist organization which calls for the destruction of Israel and the rule of a world-wide caliphate. When the dust settled, Aslam was fired and the paper's executive editor for news, Albert Scardino resigned. Aslam is now suing The Guardian for "racial and religious discrimination."
