It's a sick world
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So you don't see your meat getting killed an that makes it ok? But because hunters are on espn I'm a coward.....I'll just close my eyes when I hunt....as long as I don't see the animal killed, it didn't happen, right? Or at least it wasn't cowardly.....give me a break man....you let other people kill your meat for you and make them rich doing it....but I'm a coward for feeding mine....
And as far as not seeing how they are killed....since that's the difference between me and you apparently, use your search bar and watch how your meat is retrieved....I guarantee there are more animal rights videos on inhumane cattle killing then there is on a 2 week hunting season
Right on man. You are so so correct. I no longer eat meat for many reasons. One of them is the way they are treated before they are killed. Today, most commercially raised meat isn't fit to eat, anyways. Do you know that clone meat is now in the food chain. YUK!
exactly my point....unless you don`t have a supermarket in your neighborhood with any number of meat choices(organic,if you`re worried about the additives and cloning and such...:lol
, you really aren`t forced out of necessity to slog around in the woods to personally kill something to eat meat....you have every right to do either...but lets keep it real.. we aren`t living in the 1700/1800`s......you don`t hunt to put food on your family`s table...you hunt because you get a thrill out of killing an animal.... and that`s your right......
I don`t begrudge anyone that..i`m far from some anti-gun nut......but let`s be honest about motivation.....shooting some deer foraging for food doesn`t make someone frank buck....some folks just get a rush from killing stuff(and I think that`s probably human nature,to a degree)...and again, I don`t have an issue with that....it`s the justification I take issue with...I really don`t think you need to be defensive about it....just because I choose not to do it doesn`t make me right...if I had the urge to sneak around hunting stuff,i`d probably play paintball or something,but that`s just me.......the possibility of wounding some animal and having it escape to die a slow death due to my ineptitude would bother me....
you`re a good one,too,bud.....it`s no biggie....just conversatin` with my mj`s homies....:toast:
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exactly my point....unless you don`t have a supermarket in your neighborhood with any number of meat choices(organic,if you`re worried about the additives and cloning and such...:lol
you have every right to do either...but lets keep it real.. we aren`t living in the 1700/1800`s......you don`t hunt to put food on your family`s table...you hunt because you get a thrill out of killing an animal.... and that`s your right......
I don`t begrudge anyone that..i`m far from some anti-gun nut......but let`s be honest about motivation.....shooting some deer foraging for food doesn`t make someone frank buck....some folks just get a rush from killing stuff(and I think that`s probably human nature,to a degree)...and again, I don`t have an issue with that....it`s the justification I take issue with...I really don`t think you need to be defensive about it....just because I choose not to do it doesn`t make me right...if I had the urge to sneak around hunting stuff,i`d probably play paintball or something,but that`s just me.......the possibility of wounding some animal and having it escape to die a slow death due to my ineptitude would bother me....
you`re a good one,too,bud.....it`s no biggie....just conversatin` with my mj`s homies....:toast:
I get all you are saying
My point is tho maybe unclear....when you say I have super markets where I can buy my meat...why is it any better to just pay someone to kill an animal for me. I wouldn't assume anyone gets a thrill from paying someone to kill a animal for them, just like I wouldn't assume that every hunter enjoys killing animals...either way, an animal has to die for us to eat meat. Why is it animal better? I know the deer i harvested has been processed healthily with no chemicals animals i feel better about it while saving money......I get some hunters are crazy animals like it......but again why is the alternative of eating meat that "someone else killed" and paying them to do it, so much better regarding morals and manliness (for those who call hunters pussies and cowards)p
Because that meat was reared to be part of the human food chain, and much of it goes to waste.
What meat? The cow?
None of my deer goes to waste
Plenty of the cow/pig/chickens do go to waste......at least until McDonald's gets their hands on the remains....
Anyways if that's the only reason why paying someone to kill an animal for your meat is more appropriate, because they were raised to be eaten and reared to get as much out of them as possible, well I guess I'm done discussing it....i dont waste anything on my deer.....any meat was created to be part of the food chain.....regardless if it was god or evolution....natural selection occurs and the dominant species survive eating meat from other species....I don't know if that is right/wrong in the big picture, but I do know that eating meat is eating meat....if you need to make an excuse as to why a 20$ steak is not as cruel as eating Venice so be it....but both instances an animal was killed so we can eat meat.....if didn't help make someone rich from the animal dying is the only difference....for that month. Atleast....cause after the Venice runs out I have to purchase meat again....
Either way you guys can win hunters are coward pussies.....I've said my point and like far to many personalities here to continue allowing myself to get emotionally invested in this conversation....
I'll leave you with this
Animal A is born. Lives his life and eventually when grown, a more dominant species takes its life and consumes it for nutrients.
Animal B is born. He is fed constantly. He is given certain and specific items to consume to make sure his meat is as plentiful as possible, and to make sure he gains top dollar for it. Once he reaches his "desired weight", he is killed and processed to be sold...
Least animal had a chance.
Which of these is closest in definition to natural selection or the circle of life? Which is more natural or "humane".
I don't fuckin know but I know in both instances a animal dies and we eat it. Right or wrong, we eat it.
I have nothing against hunting....one day I'm flipping thru channels and stumble upon a big game hunting program...this guy is using a bow and had just crept up to a bush...everyone's whispering..."get ready...any minute now" I'm getting all tensed up wondering what this guy is preparing to shoot.....then all of a sudden here it is!! a giraffe!! with about 5 arrows sticking out of his chest....this guy puts another arrow into him which doesn't faze the giraffe at all just keeps galloping along ....everyone jumps into a jeep to get ahead of the giraffe so they can once again set up another ambush...
I couldn't watch it...always wondered what they did with the giraffe if they ever managed to kill it
I couldn't watch it...always wondered what they did with the giraffe if they ever managed to kill it
exactly my point....unless you don`t have a supermarket in your neighborhood with any number of meat choices(organic,if you`re worried about the additives and cloning and such...:lol
you have every right to do either...but lets keep it real.. we aren`t living in the 1700/1800`s......you don`t hunt to put food on your family`s table...you hunt because you get a thrill out of killing an animal.... and that`s your right......
I don`t begrudge anyone that..i`m far from some anti-gun nut......but let`s be honest about motivation.....shooting some deer foraging for food doesn`t make someone frank buck....some folks just get a rush from killing stuff(and I think that`s probably human nature,to a degree)...and again, I don`t have an issue with that....it`s the justification I take issue with...I really don`t think you need to be defensive about it....just because I choose not to do it doesn`t make me right...if I had the urge to sneak around hunting stuff,i`d probably play paintball or something,but that`s just me.......the possibility of wounding some animal and having it escape to die a slow death due to my ineptitude would bother me....
you`re a good one,too,bud.....it`s no biggie....just conversatin` with my mj`s homies....:toast:
Yes yes yes
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I could care less about deer hunting. The last times I went were to specifically kill a deer for a friend who wanted one to eat. I chose her a nice fat doe.
Turkey hunting is another story. There's nothing like being out in the woods and hearing those gobbles and trying to outsmart that bird. When they are close, they literally shake with their gobble. Nothing like it, and they are a delicacy to eat in my opinion.
I like duck hunting too, but I haven't gone in years. I have two friends that call me every year pleading me to kill them some ducks to eat, so there are those out there that like them.
Do people think the same about fishing.?
It's exact same concept. ...catch and kill to eat...
I'm from Western pa....hunting and fishing are normal activities around here. ....just curious if fishing is looked at the same
It's exact same concept. ...catch and kill to eat...
I'm from Western pa....hunting and fishing are normal activities around here. ....just curious if fishing is looked at the same
No, they don't. Christ, even vegetarians think it's ok the eat fish!
I think the larger the animal, the more compassion people have for it.
curious...what`d you think about redfish`s comment about the tv show in which the "hunters" were bowhunting the giraffe?
me personally?
I would never kill a giraffe because I wouldn't eat it. if they were killing it for a trophy, yea I would never.
again my argument was not what is right or wrong.....ethically, morally, or legally....
I simply wanted to know why eating venison that I kill is any different then people purchasing meat from a store.....again, because in both instances an animal died to feed a person........why is it relevant who killed it?
again I bring up the example
animal A is born- lives free in the wild- once grown, it is killed by a more dominant species and consumed for nutrients
animal B is born- it lives in a controlled area and is fed and injected with certain foods and chemicals, ensuring it will grow as plentiful and fully as possible- once it reaches its desired size, it, and many others like it, are slaughtered by the same dominant species in example A- and the dominant species who did the killing in this example get rich
again im not arguing Hunting is something that all should condone or ever will- im just asking why it is different......regardless of evolution or god- regardless of how we got here, in both instances the circle of life exists and the species who maintain dominance survive from eating other species
I don't trophy hunt or do it for the thrill.....I have always said anyone who doesn't feel some sort of emotion after killing a turkey or deer is probably related to Marilyn manson.......but if it comes down to an animal having to die for me to eat meat, I am ok with the fact that I am the one harvesting the animal that will feed me and mine for 24-48 days of the year-
my biggest problem is people calling hunters pussies and cowards for killing a deer, when the alternative they choose is to pay someone else to do it for them.
no hard feeling weasie, and again im not at all saying people should agree with hunting and all it encompasses--------im just suggesting that before people condone others, they should consider the alternative.....
take care weasie
I was pondering the "eat what you kill" argument.....,now i`m thinking maybe Jeffrey dahmer may have gotten a bad rap.......
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I can't stand the big game ones in Africa, a buddy at work watches them at times. They take a jeep drive to the animal, a fuck head comes out of the vehicle and puts his gun in a tripod and shoots the unaware animal and then the guy acts like I would if the Vikings won the Super Bowl hell any game. Just don't get that enthusiasm
Still meat in the freezer. And a trophy on the wall. I have killed many deer but have not done so in many years. Do not have the desire any more. I have several mounts and the backstrap was delicous. Think what you want. Which I will respect. But hundreds of thousands hunt deer for sport and some meat in the freezer. Nothing wrong with it.
