McCain thoughts...

[mabus]

I am a "conservitave libertarian" or sorts-at least that is the closest definition i can slap on my general thoughts on politics.

I know a lot of hard line right wingers are anti-McCain no matter what, and I can not figure out why.

I know they dont like the "gang of 14" and campaign finance reform and his global warming view, etc.

But it seems to me that anyone who is not planning on voting democrat in the election should recognize that McCain is the only viable national candidate vs. the democrats in November.

I think Guilani would be next in line, but he blew it by sitting out the early states-he may rally back, but I personally think it is too late.

Romney does not stand a chance in my view against either Obama or Clinton.

Huckabee obviousally would not even come close and I am frankly somewhat pissed off at all the " social conservatives " for hijacking the Rep. party and supporting him based on a few issues that have no bering on what a Presidents role should be .

So, why not McCain?
I know I am pitching this to a largly Liberal group here, but am I right on here in terms of the Rep. race, or can someone convince me that Romney or Guiliani can pull this out.

McCain for me for now at least...

 

[gjn23]

quite honestly

mccain vs rodman
mccain vs obismal

not that much of a difference amongst the three in many areas and personally i think the country is in trouble with any of the three....so, why not let the dems take the hit for the next 4 years vs the reps who would never hear the end of it.

that said, if he can get his message out, i honestly think romney can beat either rodman or obismal...and im not convinced mccain can as he would lose a ton of conservative votes.

 

[batfreak1]

What I think is funny, McCain has been dead set against violence in movies, along with U.F.C. fighting, then is all happy when Sylvester say's he's endorsing him???? I guess his movies are non- violent. I know it's petty, but!!

 

[hedgehog]

McCain is a closet democrat, the drive by media want him to win so whoever wins is a democrat. Romney is the best candidate by far on the right.

 

[Blitz]

As a conservative, who actually voted for McCain for Pres. 8 years ago, I can't vote for him again. He is not a conservative. I don't like how he teamed up with Ted Kennedy for that ridiculous Immigration bill last year. He twice voted against the Bush tax cuts.

 

[Jabberwocky]

oops.

 

[AR182]

wrong thread....

 

[mabus]

Maybe more relevant now

Maybe not....


I say maybe--Thinks he takes the momentum here
Winning a Rep. only primary is good news for McCain.

Guess everyone else is beginning to realize he is the only viable national candidate for the Rep's

 

[gardenweasel]

maccain feingold,mccain kennedy,mccain-lieberman,mccain-kennedy-edwards,mccain reimportation of drugs...

the gang of 14

opposition to the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts...

this jerk,to his credit,backed the surge...but,that support has now morphed into his taking credit for forcing the president to adopt petraues` strategy...which is absurd...

mccain-aclu...the unprecedented granting of due-process rights to unlawful enemy combatants (i call `em terrorists)...

opposition to waterboarding despite the testimony by defense and cia officials that it has proven effective and has helped foil plots and saved american lives ....

calling for the immediate closing of guantanamo bay and the ridiculous idea to bring al-qaeda terrorists into our own prisons ? despite the legal rights they would immediately gain and the burdens of managing them.....

where was this yo-yo when the clintons and mccain`s buddy william cohen were downsizing our military and intelligence apparatus in the 90`s?...m.i.a......

he`s soft on the border...they don`t call him mcamnesty for nothing...

you could go on and on....

 

[dawgball]

mabus -- with your self-description, why not Ron Paul? Outside of the fact that he can't win this time around.

I think Romney has a decent shot to win the Presidency, but I doubt he has a chance to win the nomination.

I agree with you that McCain has the best shot as a Republican to win.

My top 4 candidates are (in no particular order):

McCain
Romney
Obama
Paul

I will not vote for Obama because I am afraid of some whitey nutjob shooting him. I really don't think our country would survive it.

 

[IntenseOperator]

January 30, 2008

ROBERT NOVAK novakevans@aol.com

Florida's primary was the one former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney badly needed going into next week's 21-state Mega Tuesday. Instead, his loss by a slim margin to Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) sends McCain into the Feb.5 showdown with a leg up on the Republican presidential nomination.

McCain has a natural advantage in next Tuesday's virtual national primary, especially in high-population California, New York and New Jersey. The winner-take-all method (by district or statewide) used by Republicans, in contrast to the Democrats' proportional representation, makes McCain a commanding favorite for the nomination.

To block McCain on Mega Tuesday, Romney needed to win in Florida. His well-financed campaign outspent everybody there. He was closely followed in the dollar derby by former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who finished a poor third in Florida.

That effectively ends Giuliani's hopes for the nomination by the former front-runner in national Republican polls and dramatized his dramatic decline over the last two months. On Dec. 4, Giuliani led McCain in Florida by more than 20 percentage points. Giuliani is expected to endorse McCain.

Exit polls show that McCain lost the conservative vote to Romney by a big margin. But he was supported by war veterans and the serving military, important in Florida Republican primaries.

South Florida's large Republican Hispanic vote delivered for McCain, signifying another case where Romney's hard line on immigration backfired. The state's three Cuban-American congressional members appeared with McCain in Miami's "Little Havana."

The Cuban-American vote was pinned down with the endorsement by Sen. Mel Martinez, the national Republican party's former chairman. More lethal than a mere endorsement was the word spread by Martinez that he considers Romney a demagogue because of his tough stand against the immigration bill co-sponsored by McCain and Martinez.

McCain came out of his South Carolina victory 10 days earlier with a Florida lead, but Romney was pulling even until the endorsement for McCain by Florida Gov. Charlie Crist. The word in Florida GOP circles was that Crist resented unofficial support for Romney by Crist's intraparty rival, former Gov. Jeb Bush.

Ferocious Florida campaigning since South Carolina exhibited two candidates who do not like each other. Romney, in effect, called McCain a liar for saying Romney favored a timeline for Iraqi troop withdrawal. The issue will come up in tonight's California candidate debate, and Romney's campaign promised to press this charge over five days of campaigning before Mega Tuesday.

 

[3 Seconds]

I will not vote for Obama because I am afraid of some whitey nutjob shooting him. I really don't think our country would survive it.

It's not really funny, but it this really made me laugh. :142smilie

 

[AR182]

I will not vote for Obama because I am afraid of some whitey nutjob shooting him. I really don't think our country would survive it.

this is the reason why colin powell's wife didn't want colin to run for the presidency...

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Thought this interesting poll just out--sure does not reflect betting odds--and speaking of betting odds- bodog had odds to win pres election prior to Fla with Mcain @ 5/4 and Romeny 9/1. Thought this odd and was going to take Romney @ 9/1 if he won Fla and then scalp with Dem pres candidate and pick up good possibilty for 6 point minimum profit--however unexplainably after fla Romney "dropped" to 5/1 so passed.

Election 2008: McCain vs. Clinton and Obama
McCain Leads Obama by Six, Clinton by Eight
Wednesday, January 30, 2008
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The latest Rasmussen Reports survey of Election 2008 shows Republican frontrunner Senator John McCain with single-digit leads over Democratic Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. McCain now leads Clinton 48% to 40%. He leads Barack Obama 47% to 41%.

In a Rasmussen Reports poll conducted mid-January, McCain was two points behind Clinton, five behind Obama. A couple days later McCain won the South Carolina primary.

McCain has led Clinton in four of the last five polling match-ups conducted by Rasmussen Reports. He has had the edge over Obama in three of the last four polls. (see history and trends). Following his victory in Florida, Rasmussen Markets data indicates that McCain is the overwhelming favorite for the Republican Presidential nomination.

Individual polls can sometimes overstate volatility in a race, especially during the ups and downs of a Primary Election season. This is especially true when the results carry a four percentage point margin of sampling error. One way of addressing this is to look at a rolling-average of three consecutive polls. Using this approach, McCain now has a narrow advantage over Obama 45% to 43%. Prior to this latest poll, they had been tied at 44%. Both men have now been within four points (the margin of error) of the 45% mark for seven consecutive individual polls. Using a three-poll rolling average, McCain leads Clinton by five percentage points, 47% to 42%.

In the new survey McCain enjoys an 22-point advantage among male voters with Clinton as his opponent. He lags by only three points among female voters. There isn't much gender discrepancy in the McCain-Obama match-up. Here McCain leads by eight points among men, five points among women.

McCain does better than either Democrat with unaffiliated voters in the new survey, but especially when Clinton is his opponent. Against the former First Lady, he leads 52% to 31% with unaffiliateds.

John McCain is viewed favorably by 52% and unfavorably by just 43%. His favorables have been in the 50%+ range since late November.

Hillary Clinton is currently viewed favorably by 47%, unfavorably by 51%. Barack Obama is viewed favorably by 51%, unfavorably by 45%.

 

[rusty]

McCain is a closet democrat, the drive by media want him to win so whoever wins is a democrat. Romney is the best candidate by far on the right.

Romney was governer of Mass.,what a joke!!
Hes a phoney whos liked by yuppie America.
While he was gov. of Mass. he couldnt even run Mass. highway,or keep up to snuff on the Big Dig.

Im gonna love when he loses big here on super tuesday!!

 

[IntenseOperator]

Individual polls can sometimes overstate volatility in a race, especially during the ups and downs of a Primary Election season. This is especially true when the results carry a four percentage point margin of sampling error. One way of addressing this is to look at a rolling-average of three consecutive polls. Using this approach, McCain now has a narrow advantage over Obama 45% to 43%. Prior to this latest poll, they had been tied at 44%. Both men have now been within four points (the margin of error) of the 45% mark for seven consecutive individual polls. Using a three-poll rolling average, McCain leads Clinton by five percentage points, 47% to 42%.

this one's going down to the wire

 

[AR182]

Individual polls can sometimes overstate volatility in a race, especially during the ups and downs of a Primary Election season. This is especially true when the results carry a four percentage point margin of sampling error. One way of addressing this is to look at a rolling-average of three consecutive polls. Using this approach, McCain now has a narrow advantage over Obama 45% to 43%. Prior to this latest poll, they had been tied at 44%. Both men have now been within four points (the margin of error) of the 45% mark for seven consecutive individual polls. Using a three-poll rolling average, McCain leads Clinton by five percentage points, 47% to 42%.

this one's going down to the wire

alot will be riding on this election, including my big bet with smurphy...& i'm afraid we may see another 2000 election...

 

[bjfinste]

alot will be riding on this election, including my big bet with smurphy...& i'm afraid we may see another 2000 election...

I think we could see 2000 times about four or five. Obviously those polls are early and don't mean much with the electoral system, but there are going to be a slew of battleground states that could fall inside 50.5-49.5.... Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, Oregon, New Hampshire... a lot of potential for razor-thin margins.

 

[mabus]

Dawgball

I agree with Paul on more issues than any other candidate (except I disagree with him on the war in the sense that I do not think we can leave now, he is right about how we are meddling in others affairs too much, but we do have interests worldwide..anyways I am rambling)
But Paul has no chance of winning the nomination, unfortunately. I may still vote my conscious in the primary if the race in my state is not close, just to make myself feel better-but if it is close, I think my vote will have to go to McCain over Romney right now.

I actually agree with Romney on policy more than McCain-I just think McCain has a shot nationally while Romney wont make it.


By the way...
Am I the only "republican" who does not want to, nor thinks it is prudent, to kick out every illegal immigrant in the nation?
First of all, it will not fvcking happen-and we all know that. So anyone who is dumb enough to think the Fed Gvmt can execute on expelling millions of people from America needs to get their head out of their ass.
Secondly, I dont want them to be kicked out. Shit, I live in the South with thousands of Hispanics around me, so dont say I am living in a different world. These are people too, and when Romney tonight was talking about waiting until school ends to kick these familes out of the country-what compassion.
Frankly, I am a pretty selfish prick of an individual at times, so dont think I have a soft heart.
But it is impractical to kick out millions of illegals (I wont even start on the economy either...) and I think it is the wrong thing to do morally. Criminals is one thing, hard working, honest "illegals" are another. Yeah, I know they broke the law to get here, and we are a nation of laws, okay.
We keep the ones who are here, here-unless they have a criminal record. Then we close down the border and that, my friends, is a possibility. Kicking out millions and millions of people, is not. So I am kind of pissed everyone is convinced that just kicking everyone out is the easy and right answer. Anyways, JMHO

 

[Jabberwocky]

"Am I the only "republican" who does not want to, nor thinks it is prudent, to kick out every illegal immigrant in the nation?"

Mabus, do you really think that the Republicans are "tough" on the immigration issue? It's just a rallying cry to galvanize their ignorant base.