McKinney, TX cop suspended after this.

[fatdaddycool]

I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it all but some...now answer a few of my questions...


1) How many time should an officer "have" to ask someone to leave a volatile scene?

2) what should be the consequence from the Officer if they don't leave?

3) what should the consequence be if they resist?

The scene was not volatile. You're acting as if that girl was doing something illegal. The officer made the scene volatile. The girl was an invited guest and was walking away. Unlike tcas I don't assume that because police wear heavy shit that them running means there is some illegal shit going on.

Here's the deal sports, the entire fracas was started by a white resident shooting racial slurs. If the cop's pull up and get in the P.A. and ask those kids to disperse while they address the woman that started and was involved in the trouble, none of this would have happened. Instead, what you see and the only thing you see is an out of control officer detaining black kids. Not white kids, no, black ones. I don't know how many times he should have asked them to leave but he was cursing, screaming, yelling, all the things you're asserting that the kids did that was so disrespectful. So how is it that the cop can do it and punch and hit when he is just a citizen held to the exact same laws as her. Why do we automatically excuse his actions that undoubtedly raised the level of chaos and indict a 14 year old girl that didn't act nearly as threatening as him?

The girl was not charged with any crime. You know why? She didn't commit one, he most certainly did.

His actions are inexcusable. I don't care how many "white residents" you find that will agree with his actions, they aren't an authority on the situation.
How many times do we have to hear and see entire communities and cultures thrown into a frenzy over this type of behavior for white America to admit that there's an issue of abuse of authority and racism towards them from law enforcement? How many of those are enough?

On another note, why is Casebolt the only one losing his shit? Why did another officer calmly tell other kids, "just don't run when you are police"?
Secondly, who says that an officer screaming at you to "sit on your ass" without cause means you have to be complicit? Who? If an officer told me to do that, I wouldn't comply any more than I would submit to a random search, give my i.d up, move on down the road or any of that. They are citizens, they have rights. The kids were within their inalienable rights granted them by the bill of rights. A cop does NOT HAVE AUTHORITY TO VIOLATE YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS just because he's creating a scene. Why wasn't he investigating the cause?

Cop: Get on the ground and sit on your ass.
Me: Am I being detained and for what crime?
Cop: I said get on your ass.
Me: and that is the second time you've used vulgar language directed at me so if I'm not being detained for committing a crime, you have a better day somewhere else.

AND I WOULD BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE of all laws. Not sure why everyone is looking for reasons to excuse this officer's behavior when they have a great example of an officer doing a great job of controlling the scene just off this assholes shoulder.

I'm amazed at it really.

 

[Sportsaholic]

I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it all but some...now answer a few of my questions...


1) How many time should an officer "have" to ask someone to leave a volatile scene?

2) what should be the consequence from the Officer if they don't leave?

3) what should the consequence be if they resist?

FDC you've asked your questions and I have answered, now I'm asking you to answer mine.....I'll even ask it a different way for you so we don't need to dance around what happened in Texas.


In General for any Police Officer called to a scene with a crowd of people that needs to be disbursed:


1) How many times should an officer have to ask anyone to leave a scene that the police were called to?

2) what should be the consequence from the Officer if that person doesn't leave as requested?

3) what should the consequence be if that person resist?

 

[fatdaddycool]

FDC you've asked your questions and I have answered, now I'm asking you to answer mine.....I'll even ask it a different way for you so we don't need to dance around what happened in Texas.


In General for any Police Officer called to a scene with a crowd of people that needs to be disbursed:


1) How many times should an officer have to ask anyone to leave a scene that the police were called to?

2) what should be the consequence from the Officer if that person doesn't leave as requested?

3) what should the consequence be if that person resist?

You're questions are too ambiguous for a direct answer but I'll try.
1.) He was called to disperse a crowd so when no illegal activity is present then as many times as required to get them to leave. However that should be done after at least a cursory investigation.

2.) There is no consequence if asking a lawful person to leave a public area chooses not to. No consequence whatsoever. You can request all you want but unless trespassing or committing a crime, it's a baseless request. That's not what happens though. Instead the officers arrest them and bring them to jail costing the municipality money and resources and they ultimately get released without charge and then proceed to sue the city.
3.) Resistance to oppression? The consequence should be officer training, and education on what constitutes legal restraint. Other than that, revolution is the consequence.



See, you're asking me to provide a rational punishment to someone that committed no crime and excuse and consequence fir the one that did.

We aren't dancing around anything sports. 911 was called because of a disturbance at a public area and complaints of too many black kids at the pool. The officers sole job is to investigate the reported illegal activities. The fight that started it all is on video. So there was an actual crime committed. Did the officer provide the service he was hired to do? Did he serve the citizenship fairly and equitably? When did investigate the reported crime?

I'm curious love bug, what did you personally see with your own two eyes on the video? Pretend you see everyone nude and no of no law enforcement on the scene. Who did you personally witness doing illegal shit and ranting and raving?

Just what you physically saw, not what may or may not have been, just what you saw. Did you see a 14 year old black being threatening and menacing? I saw one crying for her mom. A 14 year old girl sports. 14....... come on man. The cop was wrong. That's it. No amount of, "well maybe if the kids were doing what that white dude said they should have done" or post event interviews from an agenda driven media source can dilute the fact that the cop broke the. law. She's a frigging minor. You can't change the fact that police are citizens first. They don't have the right to violate your freedom. That's it. They have had license to run rough shod over minorities rights for decades and it's simply catching up to them. It's that simple.

 

[THE KOD]

very early in the tape the cop loses his flashlight


he then approachs a group and says I am not going to have to run in this heat with this much equipment on ........ blah....blah



he is pissed about his job.


I have commented before on this exact same scenario.


hey get bloody, they pull a muscle, they drop their equipment, on and on

someone is going to pay from alot of cops view

 

[THE KOD]

3) what should the consequence be if that person resist?

i wonder if he considered for a sec to empty the glock rounds up her punani
and just call it a day

 

[fatdaddycool]

Officer Casebolt resigns as a result of his actions.

 

[REFLOG]

The Al Sharptons and Jess Hacksons will sleep well tonight

 

[fatdaddycool]

The Al Sharptons and Jess Hacksons will sleep well tonight

Come on man. What do they have to do with anything? Because they're black and activists for racial equality? Shouldn't we all strive to enjoy racial, gender, and cultural equality?

 

[hedgehog]

The Al Sharptons and Jess Hacksons will sleep well tonight

:mj07: :mj07::mj07:

 

[Sportsaholic]

You're questions are too ambiguous for a direct answer but I'll try.
1.) He was called to disperse a crowd so when no illegal activity is present then as many times as required to get them to leave. However that should be done after at least a cursory investigation.

2.) There is no consequence if asking a lawful person to leave a public area chooses not to. No consequence whatsoever. You can request all you want but unless trespassing or committing a crime, it's a baseless request. That's not what happens though. Instead the officers arrest them and bring them to jail costing the municipality money and resources and they ultimately get released without charge and then proceed to sue the city.
3.) Resistance to oppression? The consequence should be officer training, and education on what constitutes legal restraint. Other than that, revolution is the consequence.



See, you're asking me to provide a rational punishment to someone that committed no crime and excuse and consequence fir the one that did.

We aren't dancing around anything sports. 911 was called because of a disturbance at a public area and complaints of too many black kids at the pool. The officers sole job is to investigate the reported illegal activities. The fight that started it all is on video. So there was an actual crime committed. Did the officer provide the service he was hired to do? Did he serve the citizenship fairly and equitably? When did investigate the reported crime?

I'm curious love bug, what did you personally see with your own two eyes on the video? Pretend you see everyone nude and no of no law enforcement on the scene. Who did you personally witness doing illegal shit and ranting and raving?

Just what you physically saw, not what may or may not have been, just what you saw. Did you see a 14 year old black being threatening and menacing? I saw one crying for her mom. A 14 year old girl sports. 14....... come on man. The cop was wrong. That's it. No amount of, "well maybe if the kids were doing what that white dude said they should have done" or post event interviews from an agenda driven media source can dilute the fact that the cop broke the. law. She's a frigging minor. You can't change the fact that police are citizens first. They don't have the right to violate your freedom. That's it. They have had license to run rough shod over minorities rights for decades and it's simply catching up to them. It's that simple.

You're right FDC, the cops never should have been there in the first place....Once the fight at the pool was broken up they should have left the 100 or so people in the street to go back to "chilling", I mean what could possibly go wrong....:shrug:.....

Maybe some of the people that are so vocal about how the police treat people will step up to the plate and Serve and Protect.....Sounds like an easy job, pretty cut and dry on how calls should be handled.... am I right.....:shrug:

 

[REFLOG]

Come on man. What do they have to do with anything? Because they're black and activists for racial equality? Shouldn't we all strive to enjoy racial, gender, and cultural equality?

Yes, we should all strive for equality. If that was my daughter being thrown to the ground, I would be pissed as fuck, but in the end I would ask her why the hell did you not just do what the officer said and disperse Cops are not judges, they enforce the laws.. Believe me, I have had situations with my kids and the law that are fucking ridiculous, and no race involved cost me many thousands of dollars, if i told you what i have been thru with local sherrif you would say i am full of shit, But they are the law, and you should respect the law

 

[Sportsaholic]

Yes, we should all strive for equality. If that was my daughter being thrown to the ground, I would be pissed as fuck, but in the end I would ask her why the hell did you not just do what the officer said and disperse Cops are not judges, they enforce the laws.. Believe me, I have had situations with my kids and the law that are fucking ridiculous, and no race involved cost me many thousands of dollars, if i told you what i have been thru with local sherrif you would say i am full of shit, But they are the law, and you should respect the law

Respect....Respect????...What is this term you speak of......:0corn

 

[REFLOG]

Extinct I guess
Tell ya what tho, after what my kids went through, they do now have respect for the law. Not because what I did not teach them, but for how they now realize how one little fux up can cost you dearly

 

[hedgehog]

You're right FDC, the cops never should have been there in the first place....Once the fight at the pool was broken up they should have left the 100 or so people in the street to go back to "chilling", I mean what could possibly go wrong....:shrug:.....

Maybe some of the people that are so vocal about how the police treat people will step up to the plate and Serve and Protect.....Sounds like an easy job, pretty cut and dry on how calls should be handled.... am I right.....:shrug:

Why do you continue to argue with the moron, he has no answers, I tried to warn you :mj07:

 

[Sportsaholic]

Why do you continue to argue with the moron, he has no answers, I tried to warn you :mj07:

Hedgie, the difference is we are having a civil discussion.....we may not agree with each other but willing to see each others side and move forward..... you on the other hand are an idiot.....make sense now....:0008