And?
Do you really think that cop was right to act the way he did?
It is now alright to toss around a unarmed 14 year old girl? Or to pull his gun on children who were swimming.
McKinney, TX cop suspended after this.
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And?
Do you really think that cop was right to act the way he did?
It is now alright to toss around a unarmed 14 year old girl? Or to pull his gun on children who were swimming.
You're blaming the action of one, looking at the actions and disrespect of all the kids/parents that set this whole thing in motion....
And yes I felt he was over the top but I wasn't in that situation and dealing with the chaos so I'll wait a hear what he was dealing with in his mind.....People want him to be accountable but where's the accountability the people cause the fracas to start with....
Cops are held to higher standards to everyone, it may not be fair but that is how it is. They are allowed to carry deadly weapons they better be able to handle situations like this without completely losing their shit.
HE IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR AND RACE BAITER
he has done more to divide this country along racial and economic lines than any other President in our History. he is by far the worse President we will ever have or have ever had, its not even close
The teenagers didn't start listening to him until he pulled out his gun, they all survived and nobody got killed, get over it and teach your kids respect. We have seen this in Baltimore, Missouri, now in McKinney, kids these days are little pricks because they were not spanked as kids or shown any discipline :0008
Maybe they have shitty fathers who leave their mothers like you did.
You have ZERO room to talk about anyones parenting skills.
Why did you grow up to be an obese racist bigot?? I guess your parents did a shit job as well.
Yeah if only they had a quality parent like you.
Look here is you enjoying the time you have them over.
So at least they were asleep so you would not have to deal with them, and nothing says quality dad like a guy who would rather be drunk, I imagine in a strip club, then with their kids.
Well this is quite the quandary we have here Hedge. In a previous thread you stated that you thought Adrian Peterson should be locked up for life for spanking his kid. Now you are advocating spanking your kids? What makes this great for me is that you are so foolish that you can't even remember what your position is on a daily basis. You have the audacity to call the POTUS a liar and race baiter when you are the most pathological liar I've ever witnessed. You are most assuredly a racist and a bigot, and we see it every single day, time and again from you, yet you are utterly clueless to your own actions. You aren't an honest person Scott. You're not a nice, good, or compassionate person. You don't give your time to charity, or do anything to help any other life form whatsoever. You are incapable of original thought and blindly follow a cultist ideology without regard to truth, integrity, or purpose.
I have an extremely difficult time understanding how someone can live such a meritless, meaningless life and not spear gun themselves in the head, but that is just me.
In short, you're an oaf hedge and your actions above continue to show exactly that.
Hope this helps,
FDC
[QUOTE from Hedgehog in the Adrian Peterson thread in NFL forum. His reaction to the article about AP spanking his kid that I had to copy and paste because I don't know how to quote a different thread to another] - I hope he is banned for life and thrown in prison after reading that
I had to edit the last quote in.
Well this is quite the quandary we have here Hedge. In a previous thread you stated that you thought Adrian Peterson should be locked up for life for spanking his kid. Now you are advocating spanking your kids? What makes this great for me is that you are so foolish that you can't even remember what your position is on a daily basis. You have the audacity to call the POTUS a liar and race baiter when you are the most pathological liar I've ever witnessed. You are most assuredly a racist and a bigot, and we see it every single day, time and again from you, yet you are utterly clueless to your own actions. You aren't an honest person Scott. You're not a nice, good, or compassionate person. You don't give your time to charity, or do anything to help any other life form whatsoever. You are incapable of original thought and blindly follow a cultist ideology without regard to truth, integrity, or purpose.
I have an extremely difficult time understanding how someone can live such a meritless, meaningless life and not spear gun themselves in the head, but that is just me.
In short, you're an oaf hedge and your actions above continue to show exactly that.
Hope this helps,
FDC
Sports,
I saw the interview yes. I disregard much of what I see from any of the agenda driven media outlets, but I watched it and read the article as well just for you. I think if you read it carefully you will see that the man clearly stated that a resident (who has since been identified as an adult white woman with three children. I do not profess to know her name) started making racially charged comments to some of the partygoers. That is what started it all. Then when a different resident, a black woman also an adult with children at the pool, told the woman to quit cursing and using racial slurs an argument ensued.
Now I am not sure what you saw on the video, but I saw a very angry, irresponsible, and criminal act commited against a 14 year old girl for absolutely no reason. You can sit here and speculate all you want as to what may or may not have happened prior to the cop arriving on the scene, or what caused him to act in such a way, but that has no bearing on his actions on ther scene. I am not attempting to indict an entire police force or diminish law enforcement and the integral role the have in our society. Quite the contrary, I am not happy about the video or the events that took place. I take no joy in seeing or showing the video. This is a very real issue Sports. Regardless of what many might like to think, there are large parts of our society that are discriminated against and left to suffer in abject poverty, illness, and old age that the majority refuses to acknowledge. Social media outlets and advances in technology have provided an outlet for those that have long been regarded as the scourge of society by the white majority. When people say things like, "they shouldn't have run", "listen to the cop and you won't have this problem", they are not being realistic. Unless you have had the same experience with police that they have experienced every day of their life, you can't possibly say that they acted poorly or are misguided. A black man lost his life in the hands of police for what, because he ran? He did nothing illegal, and he ended up dead. How the hell can you advise another poor black kid to just comply after seeing that. After watching how those same officers harassed the guy on a daily basis. What this officer did was not legal. It was not okay and it can't be simply poo-pooed as a non-incident because people were upset and angry. If I slammed a 14 year old to the ground for no reason, would the police excuse my crime simply because some teenagers were screaming at me? Not a chance.
I understand what you're saying, I don't agree with it all but some...now answer a few of my questions...
1) How many time should an officer "have" to ask someone to leave a volatile scene?
2) what should be the consequence from the Officer if they don't leave?
3) what should the consequence be if they resist?
Seems like a sweet girl and not the troublemaker type. :0008
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Short version, link is at the bottom
Note that already at the start of the video the mob has been ordered to disperse and leave the area. This is, of course, a perfectly lawful order by the handful of police on scene who are having to deal with crowd?at least some of whom are reportedly violent, drunk and/or stoned. The first thing they need to do is establish the security of the scene, and that?s best done by dispersing the mob that has led to the disorder in the first place.
The video noted above begins with the police in pursuit of some unseen person, beginning with Officer Eric Casebolt, who appears to trip. Officer Casebolt will soon become the central focus of the video.
Knowing that patrol officers typically are carrying as much as 30 pounds of gear on their belts, I can assure you that they do not engage in a high-speed foot pursuit unless there?s a darned good reason. In any case, a foot pursuit is not unlawful police conduct.
You?ll notice that despite having been lawfully ordered to disperse, much of the ground group has refused to do so, and are still milling about the area. With verbal orders to disperse having failed to achieve the goal of improving the safety of the scene, the police next escalate to the next step of the force continuum, which is to simply order the crowd members to sit in place.
Some members of the crowd comply with this order to take a seat. Others again refuse to comply, thus authorizing the police to escalate to the next step of the force continuum, which is to use non-deadly physical force to compel compliance. Casebolt also uses stern language.
None of this is unlawful police conduct.
Casebolt then again tells a group of girls standing on the sidewalk to disperse. Again, they refuse to comply with this lawful order. In fact, they?ll remain pretty much right there throughout the entirety of the video.
Notably, one of those girls is Dajerria Becton, wearing a bright orange/yellow bathing suit. She?ll become the center of interest for those claiming police misconduct.
Bectom actually casually steps away from her group, stands in the midst of the crowd members just ordered to sit on the ground by police, shouts to friends across the street, and then wanders off the left side of the screen, apparently towards those friends.
She essentially acts no differently than would a person who is not in the midsts of a police action.
Regardless, at this point she?s doing fine. Her group had been ordered to disperse, and it looks like she?s doing just that.
Unfortunately, less than one minute later Bectom?s back with her group, and still non-compliant with lawful police orders to disperse, as you can see in the background here.
Casebolt, who had previously ordered the girls to disperse, repeats his orders. A portion of the group does disperse off to the left. Bectom appears to be dispersing off to the right, but in fact never moves more than 10 or so feet away, stopping at that point to continue engaging with other members of the non-compliant crowd.
At this point Casebolt notes that Bectom has refused to comply with multiple lawful orders to disperse. These multiple efforts to encourage compliance with verbal commands having proven ineffective, he appropriately increases his use of force to physically compel compliance.
It is this portion of the video that the Progressive left appears to find most mind-blowing.
The only explanation for this is that they are so entirely ignorant of the role of police in society that they don?t understand that the police are authorized by that society to use force to compel compliance with lawful orders.
And while many, even those who typically support the police, may find observing a uniformed officer use physical force on a non-compliant bikini girl, the fact that a use of force may appear distasteful does not make that use of force unlawful.
In fact, Casebolt is entirely within the law in his use of non-deadly force to compel compliance with lawful commands.
And Bectom is entirely outside the law in her immediate and sustained physical resistance to the officer?s lawful use of force. She is, literally, committing a crime in doing so.
At this point the members of the Bectom?s crowd that had dispersed rushes back to the scene. Indeed several actually lean over the officer as he is attempting to lawfully subdue Bectom.
It is not a good idea to lean over an officer when he?s trying to subdue your friend. He?s likely to perceive it as a threat and urge you to stop. And, indeed, in this case Casebolt shoves the encroaching girls back.
Now THIS is where things get interesting. A girl in a bathing suit can perhaps be dealt with by a physical push. But what if others escalate the threat to the officer?
At this point in the video, however, while Casebolt is still trying to lawfully subdue the still resisting Bectom he is rushed by two males who are at least the officer?s size. The video shows no other officers in the immediate vicinity. The two males can be seen first on the right side of the screen, one wearing an aqua-colored ball cap, the other holding an aqua-colored shirt.
Even absent the remaining crowd (which is, of course, relevant, as mobs are dangerous), the mere fact that Casebolt is being charged by two males his size creates a disparity of force situation that justifies him in escalating his use of force to the deadly force level.
Indeed, the deliberate conduct of these two males in placing Casebolt in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily harm constitutes an aggravated assault on a police officer. This is a felony in all states, and in most is punishable by as much as 15 years in prison.
It is at this point, struggling to subdue a non-compliant suspect, facing two younger males rushing at him from the flank, that Casebolt reasonably perceives a potentially deadly force attack and goes to his pistol.
The two male attackers see the gun, and turn and flee. Casebolt neither shoots nor pursues, but other officers responding to the scene do initiate a pursuit and capture at least one of the attackers.
All of this is perfectly lawful conduct by Casebolt under the totality of the circumstances, and well within both his training and the law.
My advice? If you don?t want a cop to point his pistol at you, don?t rush him while he?s subduing a suspect.
Period.
Indeed, the two male attackers should count themselves fortunate that Casebolt was so slow on the trigger. With his attackers at that close proximity he would have been entirely warranted in shooting them both.
At this point Casebolt returns to Bectom, who initially continues to refuse to comply with both verbal lawful orders and physical efforts to compel her compliance.
For the remainder of the video the females who had accompanied the now compliant Bectom (better late than never, I guess) continue to refuse to comply with lawful orders to disperse, and continue to hurl verbal abuse at the officers, despite their continued orders to leave the area. The officers do not respond to the abuse.
Reports are that Casebolt is currently on administrative leave (not suspension) with pay (essentially a paid vacation) while internal affairs investigates the justification for his escalation to deadly force defense. Casebolt met with investigators earlier today. Such an administrative leave and investigation is common in many departments when an officer draws his sidearm, and is not any indication that his department believes that Casebolt acted wrongfully.
Heck this video alone all but ensures that his decision in going to his gun, as well as his use of non-deadly force on non-compliant suspects, will be deemed justified.
in a nutshell then:
Unlawful acts by the Casebolt?
None
Unlawful acts by the various members of the crowd?
Refusal to comply with lawful police orders, by the whole non-compliant mob.
Resisting, by Dajerria Bectom
Simple assault, by Bectom?s friend who encroached on Casebolt subduing Bectom
Aggravated assault, by each of the males who rushed at the officer while he was subduing Bectom
http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/0...rawl-another-rush-to-misjudgment/#more-130115
Note that already at the start of the video the mob has been ordered to disperse and leave the area. This is, of course, a perfectly lawful order by the handful of police on scene who are having to deal with crowd?at least some of whom are reportedly violent, drunk and/or stoned. The first thing they need to do is establish the security of the scene, and that?s best done by dispersing the mob that has led to the disorder in the first place.
The video noted above begins with the police in pursuit of some unseen person, beginning with Officer Eric Casebolt, who appears to trip. Officer Casebolt will soon become the central focus of the video.
Knowing that patrol officers typically are carrying as much as 30 pounds of gear on their belts, I can assure you that they do not engage in a high-speed foot pursuit unless there?s a darned good reason. In any case, a foot pursuit is not unlawful police conduct.
You?ll notice that despite having been lawfully ordered to disperse, much of the ground group has refused to do so, and are still milling about the area. With verbal orders to disperse having failed to achieve the goal of improving the safety of the scene, the police next escalate to the next step of the force continuum, which is to simply order the crowd members to sit in place.
Some members of the crowd comply with this order to take a seat. Others again refuse to comply, thus authorizing the police to escalate to the next step of the force continuum, which is to use non-deadly physical force to compel compliance. Casebolt also uses stern language.
None of this is unlawful police conduct.
Casebolt then again tells a group of girls standing on the sidewalk to disperse. Again, they refuse to comply with this lawful order. In fact, they?ll remain pretty much right there throughout the entirety of the video.
Notably, one of those girls is Dajerria Becton, wearing a bright orange/yellow bathing suit. She?ll become the center of interest for those claiming police misconduct.
Bectom actually casually steps away from her group, stands in the midst of the crowd members just ordered to sit on the ground by police, shouts to friends across the street, and then wanders off the left side of the screen, apparently towards those friends.
She essentially acts no differently than would a person who is not in the midsts of a police action.
Regardless, at this point she?s doing fine. Her group had been ordered to disperse, and it looks like she?s doing just that.
Unfortunately, less than one minute later Bectom?s back with her group, and still non-compliant with lawful police orders to disperse, as you can see in the background here.
Casebolt, who had previously ordered the girls to disperse, repeats his orders. A portion of the group does disperse off to the left. Bectom appears to be dispersing off to the right, but in fact never moves more than 10 or so feet away, stopping at that point to continue engaging with other members of the non-compliant crowd.
At this point Casebolt notes that Bectom has refused to comply with multiple lawful orders to disperse. These multiple efforts to encourage compliance with verbal commands having proven ineffective, he appropriately increases his use of force to physically compel compliance.
It is this portion of the video that the Progressive left appears to find most mind-blowing.
The only explanation for this is that they are so entirely ignorant of the role of police in society that they don?t understand that the police are authorized by that society to use force to compel compliance with lawful orders.
And while many, even those who typically support the police, may find observing a uniformed officer use physical force on a non-compliant bikini girl, the fact that a use of force may appear distasteful does not make that use of force unlawful.
In fact, Casebolt is entirely within the law in his use of non-deadly force to compel compliance with lawful commands.
And Bectom is entirely outside the law in her immediate and sustained physical resistance to the officer?s lawful use of force. She is, literally, committing a crime in doing so.
At this point the members of the Bectom?s crowd that had dispersed rushes back to the scene. Indeed several actually lean over the officer as he is attempting to lawfully subdue Bectom.
It is not a good idea to lean over an officer when he?s trying to subdue your friend. He?s likely to perceive it as a threat and urge you to stop. And, indeed, in this case Casebolt shoves the encroaching girls back.
Now THIS is where things get interesting. A girl in a bathing suit can perhaps be dealt with by a physical push. But what if others escalate the threat to the officer?
At this point in the video, however, while Casebolt is still trying to lawfully subdue the still resisting Bectom he is rushed by two males who are at least the officer?s size. The video shows no other officers in the immediate vicinity. The two males can be seen first on the right side of the screen, one wearing an aqua-colored ball cap, the other holding an aqua-colored shirt.
Even absent the remaining crowd (which is, of course, relevant, as mobs are dangerous), the mere fact that Casebolt is being charged by two males his size creates a disparity of force situation that justifies him in escalating his use of force to the deadly force level.
Indeed, the deliberate conduct of these two males in placing Casebolt in reasonable fear of death or grave bodily harm constitutes an aggravated assault on a police officer. This is a felony in all states, and in most is punishable by as much as 15 years in prison.
It is at this point, struggling to subdue a non-compliant suspect, facing two younger males rushing at him from the flank, that Casebolt reasonably perceives a potentially deadly force attack and goes to his pistol.
The two male attackers see the gun, and turn and flee. Casebolt neither shoots nor pursues, but other officers responding to the scene do initiate a pursuit and capture at least one of the attackers.
All of this is perfectly lawful conduct by Casebolt under the totality of the circumstances, and well within both his training and the law.
My advice? If you don?t want a cop to point his pistol at you, don?t rush him while he?s subduing a suspect.
Period.
Indeed, the two male attackers should count themselves fortunate that Casebolt was so slow on the trigger. With his attackers at that close proximity he would have been entirely warranted in shooting them both.
At this point Casebolt returns to Bectom, who initially continues to refuse to comply with both verbal lawful orders and physical efforts to compel her compliance.
For the remainder of the video the females who had accompanied the now compliant Bectom (better late than never, I guess) continue to refuse to comply with lawful orders to disperse, and continue to hurl verbal abuse at the officers, despite their continued orders to leave the area. The officers do not respond to the abuse.
Reports are that Casebolt is currently on administrative leave (not suspension) with pay (essentially a paid vacation) while internal affairs investigates the justification for his escalation to deadly force defense. Casebolt met with investigators earlier today. Such an administrative leave and investigation is common in many departments when an officer draws his sidearm, and is not any indication that his department believes that Casebolt acted wrongfully.
Heck this video alone all but ensures that his decision in going to his gun, as well as his use of non-deadly force on non-compliant suspects, will be deemed justified.
in a nutshell then:
Unlawful acts by the Casebolt?
None
Unlawful acts by the various members of the crowd?
Refusal to comply with lawful police orders, by the whole non-compliant mob.
Resisting, by Dajerria Bectom
Simple assault, by Bectom?s friend who encroached on Casebolt subduing Bectom
Aggravated assault, by each of the males who rushed at the officer while he was subduing Bectom
http://legalinsurrection.com/2015/0...rawl-another-rush-to-misjudgment/#more-130115
Very sweet girl.....I wonder how much money she'll make by being defiant of the law?
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Good Luck, he has no answers at all, just psycho babble, you have a better chance of asking a pit bull for answers than FDC :142smilie
Yeah right hedge, like I just told you, read your own posts. I promise you that nobody here considers you to have an answer to anything.
I'll tell you what though hedge, I'd be very happy to put my intelligence to any test against yours. Any subject, any time. Just put down the chunky with raisins and the good n plentys and we'll get started. Dumbass.
Biggest crock of shit I've read so far. To detain a citizen or citizens an officer has to have cause. Walking down a side walk isn't cause. Cursing isn't cause. It's not a lawful order without it. period
