Kind of funny when you consider Phil wasnt exactly slim. Still holds the record for most dollars spent per convention delegate.
OSU-TEXAS THREAD
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This game is going to look like the OKL-TX games in 2001-04 when texas came in with all this hype and OKL defense just smacked them around........Well Texas welcome to the SHOE.... Ohio state has arguably the best"D" in the country and definately the best linebackers. V.Young will not run around like he did against Michigan.
I'll take any friendly wagers that texas won't win by double digits, which has been mentioned in this thread a few times. :mj07:
I'll take any friendly wagers that texas won't win by double digits, which has been mentioned in this thread a few times. :mj07:
My money will be on the Bucks.
Both offenses will look bad IMO. I'm looking for a low scoring game dominated by defense. Young and Zwick/Smith will throw several picks. Game will be tight and come down to the wire. In that scenario, my edge goes to the home team with the better D.
OSU - 17
UT - 13
Both offenses will look bad IMO. I'm looking for a low scoring game dominated by defense. Young and Zwick/Smith will throw several picks. Game will be tight and come down to the wire. In that scenario, my edge goes to the home team with the better D.
OSU - 17
UT - 13
No doubt OSU has a solid D but I am not sure why anyone would say they are better than Texas. Texas has the consensus top seconday in the nation, and either #1 or #2 DL. OSU is only better at LB.
While I think both defenses were better than their numbers, the stats all point to Texas
Last year v Run:
Texas 14 Ohio State 36
Pass
OSU 52 Texas 56
Total Texas 24 OSU 37
Scoring D Texas 14 OSu 21
Turnovers forced (#) Texas 23, Ohio State 17
While I think both defenses were better than their numbers, the stats all point to Texas
Last year v Run:
Texas 14 Ohio State 36
Pass
OSU 52 Texas 56
Total Texas 24 OSU 37
Scoring D Texas 14 OSu 21
Turnovers forced (#) Texas 23, Ohio State 17
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Sun Tzu said:
That was *last* year. We did lose a few guys in the secondary as well as DJ...hell, I think DJ caused half of those forced turnovers!
if Texas plays conservative on offense again, I hope someone kicks Greg Davis in the a$$. He has been raked over the coals for years for playing conservative and the coaching staff vowed not to do it again...you have to think after the Rose Bowl last year that Texas knows that offensively they can do many things. i just hope they dont all stand around waiting for VY to do all the work.
the RBs appear to be solid and diverse. If the OL does their job, we should be able to run. If OSU stacks the line, I expect a lot of short tosses to the TEs.
i dont expect Texas to s**t the bed in this game like they did 4 and 5 years ago vs OU. I think Texas has a better team and a more experienced coaching staff then they did back then. I still have to give the edge to OSU unfortunately. I think offensively they will get it done and the Texas kicking game will end up being their undoing.
OSU 24
Texas 20
This is real simple Tressel has an outstanding record in these types of games 6-1 against top ten opponents. Mack Brown has a terrible record against teams of this caliber. This reminds me so much the butt kicking Bob Stoops gives Texas every year with inferior talent. Take a look below: 0-7 against top ten opponents since 2000 with all 7 played on a neutral field. Also notice the early season struggles when playing a descent opponent: Stanford L on the road 9/15/2000, at home Arkansas L 9/13/2003 & 2 point win on the road over Arkansas last year.
2000
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 9-3
Big 12: 7-1 (2nd, South Division)
Final Ranking: 12th AP; 12th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 9 (#6) La.-Lafayette W 52-10
Sept. 16 (#5) @ Stanford L 24-27
Sept. 23 (#15) Houston W 48-0
Sept. 30 (#13) Oklahoma State W 42-7
Oct. 7 (#11) vs. #10 Oklahoma L 14-63
Oct. 14 (#25) @ Colorado W 28-14
Oct. 21 Missouri W 46-12
Oct. 28 (#22) Baylor W 48-14
Nov. 4 (#20) @ Texas Tech W 29-17
Nov. 11 (#19) @ Kansas W 51-16
Nov. 24 (#12) #22 Texas A&M W 43-17
Dec. 29 (#12) vs. #8 Oregon L 30-35#
# - Holiday Bowl
2001
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-2-0
Big 12: 7-1-0 (T-1st, South Champion)
Final Ranking: 5th AP; 5th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 1 (#5) New Mexico State W 41-7
Sept. 8 (#4) North Carolina W 44-14
Sept. 22 (#5) @ Houston W 53-26
Sept. 29 (#5) Texas Tech W 42-7
Oct. 6 (#5) vs. #3 Oklahoma L 3-14
Oct. 13 (#11) @ Oklahoma State W 45-17
Oct. 20 (#9) #14 Colorado W 41-7
Oct. 27 (#7) @ Missouri W 35-16
Nov. 3 (#5) @ Baylor W 49-10
Nov. 10 (#5) Kansas W 59-0
Nov. 23 (#5) @ Texas A&M W 21-7
Dec. 1 (#3) #9 Colorado L 37-39*
Dec. 28 (#9) vs. #21 Washington W 47-43#
* - Big 12 Championship
# - Holiday Bowl
2002
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-2-0
Big 12: 6-2-0 (T-1st, South)
Final Ranking: 6th AP; 7th USA Today/ESPN
Aug. 31 (#3) North Texas W 27-0
Sept. 14 (#3) @ North Carolina W 52-21
Sept. 21 (#3) Houston W 41-11
Sept. 28 (#3) @ Tulane W 49-0
Oct. 5 (#2) Oklahoma State W 17-15
Oct. 12 (#3) vs. #2 Oklahoma L 24-35
Oct. 19 (#8) @ #17 Kansas State W 17-14
Oct. 26 (#7) #17 Iowa State W 21-10
Nov. 2 (#7) @ Nebraska W 27-24
Nov. 9 (#4) Baylor W 41-0
Nov. 16 (#4) @ Texas Tech L 38-42
Nov. 29 (#10) Texas A&M W 50-20
Jan. 1 (#9) vs. LSU W 35-20#
# - Cotton Bowl
2003
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 10-3-0
Big 12: 7-1-0
Final Ranking: 12th AP; 11th USA Today/ESPN
Aug. 31 (#5) New Mexico State W 66-7
Sept. 13 (#6) Arkansas L 28-38
Sept. 20 (#13) @ Rice W 48-7
Sept. 27 (#13) Tulane W 63-18
Oct. 4 (#13) #16 Kansas State W 24-20
Oct. 11 (#11) vs. #1 Oklahoma L 13-65
Oct. 18 (#20) @ Iowa State W 40-19
Oct. 25 (#19) @ Baylor W 56-0
Nov. 1 (#16) #12 Nebraska W 31-7
Nov. 8 (#11) @ #21 Oklahoma State W 55-16
Nov. 15 (#6) Texas Tech W 43-40
Nov. 28 (#6) @ Texas A&M W 46-15
Dec. 30 (#5) vs. #15 Washington St. L 20-28#
# - Holiday Bowl
2004
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-1-0
Big 12: 7-1
Final Ranking: 5th AP; 4th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 4 (#7) North Texas W 65-0
Sept. 11 (#7) @ Arkansas W 22-20
Sept. 25 (#5) Rice W 35-13
Oct. 2 (#5) Baylor W 44-14
Oct. 9 (#5) vs. #2 Oklahoma L 0-12
Oct. 16 (#9) #24 Missouri W 28-20
Oct. 13 (#8) @ #24 Texas Tech W 51-21
Oct. 30 (#8) @ Colorado W 31-7
Nov. 6 (#6) #19 Oklahoma State W 56-35
Nov. 13 (#6) @ Kansas W 27-23
Nov. 26 (#5) No. 22 Texas A&M W 26-13
Jan. 1 (#6) vs. #12 Michigan W 38-37#
Texas is a great team to back when playing someone they have a big talent edge over, which is all but about 10 teams in the country. However, when an opponent can field a team that can compete with them, well 0-7. It's like the OU players said last year "Texas is like the neighborhood bully, hit him in the mouth a couple times and you can see the fear in his eyes."
I see this game as similar to the OU game last year. Neither team will be able to move the ball constistantly. In a game like that I will definitely be betting against Mack Brown and Vince Young. Young's 60% completion percentage doesn't tell the whole story, I would like to see his completion percentage against quality defenses. Who cares about 15-17 against ULL. Classic Texas rout.
In addition, I don't see how anyone could claim this Texas team is more talented than teams the last four or five years and frankly I don't understand the #2 ranking. I thought the line should be about OSU -3; however, I thought Texas would be come out about a 2 point favorite because of all the rediculous hype they receive for beating inferior teams senseless.
I like OSU and UNDER
When Texas finally beats Stoops this year, if they do, Brown still won't have the monkey off his back after loosing to OSU Saturday and A&M at the end of the year. By the way does anyone know where I could get a future line on Texas/Texas A&M, perfect time to get it after A&M loss before Texas loss. I hope they don't ever get rid of Brown because games like this are money in the bank.
2000
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 9-3
Big 12: 7-1 (2nd, South Division)
Final Ranking: 12th AP; 12th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 9 (#6) La.-Lafayette W 52-10
Sept. 16 (#5) @ Stanford L 24-27
Sept. 23 (#15) Houston W 48-0
Sept. 30 (#13) Oklahoma State W 42-7
Oct. 7 (#11) vs. #10 Oklahoma L 14-63
Oct. 14 (#25) @ Colorado W 28-14
Oct. 21 Missouri W 46-12
Oct. 28 (#22) Baylor W 48-14
Nov. 4 (#20) @ Texas Tech W 29-17
Nov. 11 (#19) @ Kansas W 51-16
Nov. 24 (#12) #22 Texas A&M W 43-17
Dec. 29 (#12) vs. #8 Oregon L 30-35#
# - Holiday Bowl
2001
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-2-0
Big 12: 7-1-0 (T-1st, South Champion)
Final Ranking: 5th AP; 5th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 1 (#5) New Mexico State W 41-7
Sept. 8 (#4) North Carolina W 44-14
Sept. 22 (#5) @ Houston W 53-26
Sept. 29 (#5) Texas Tech W 42-7
Oct. 6 (#5) vs. #3 Oklahoma L 3-14
Oct. 13 (#11) @ Oklahoma State W 45-17
Oct. 20 (#9) #14 Colorado W 41-7
Oct. 27 (#7) @ Missouri W 35-16
Nov. 3 (#5) @ Baylor W 49-10
Nov. 10 (#5) Kansas W 59-0
Nov. 23 (#5) @ Texas A&M W 21-7
Dec. 1 (#3) #9 Colorado L 37-39*
Dec. 28 (#9) vs. #21 Washington W 47-43#
* - Big 12 Championship
# - Holiday Bowl
2002
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-2-0
Big 12: 6-2-0 (T-1st, South)
Final Ranking: 6th AP; 7th USA Today/ESPN
Aug. 31 (#3) North Texas W 27-0
Sept. 14 (#3) @ North Carolina W 52-21
Sept. 21 (#3) Houston W 41-11
Sept. 28 (#3) @ Tulane W 49-0
Oct. 5 (#2) Oklahoma State W 17-15
Oct. 12 (#3) vs. #2 Oklahoma L 24-35
Oct. 19 (#8) @ #17 Kansas State W 17-14
Oct. 26 (#7) #17 Iowa State W 21-10
Nov. 2 (#7) @ Nebraska W 27-24
Nov. 9 (#4) Baylor W 41-0
Nov. 16 (#4) @ Texas Tech L 38-42
Nov. 29 (#10) Texas A&M W 50-20
Jan. 1 (#9) vs. LSU W 35-20#
# - Cotton Bowl
2003
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 10-3-0
Big 12: 7-1-0
Final Ranking: 12th AP; 11th USA Today/ESPN
Aug. 31 (#5) New Mexico State W 66-7
Sept. 13 (#6) Arkansas L 28-38
Sept. 20 (#13) @ Rice W 48-7
Sept. 27 (#13) Tulane W 63-18
Oct. 4 (#13) #16 Kansas State W 24-20
Oct. 11 (#11) vs. #1 Oklahoma L 13-65
Oct. 18 (#20) @ Iowa State W 40-19
Oct. 25 (#19) @ Baylor W 56-0
Nov. 1 (#16) #12 Nebraska W 31-7
Nov. 8 (#11) @ #21 Oklahoma State W 55-16
Nov. 15 (#6) Texas Tech W 43-40
Nov. 28 (#6) @ Texas A&M W 46-15
Dec. 30 (#5) vs. #15 Washington St. L 20-28#
# - Holiday Bowl
2004
Coach: Mack Brown
Season: 11-1-0
Big 12: 7-1
Final Ranking: 5th AP; 4th USA Today/ESPN
Sept. 4 (#7) North Texas W 65-0
Sept. 11 (#7) @ Arkansas W 22-20
Sept. 25 (#5) Rice W 35-13
Oct. 2 (#5) Baylor W 44-14
Oct. 9 (#5) vs. #2 Oklahoma L 0-12
Oct. 16 (#9) #24 Missouri W 28-20
Oct. 13 (#8) @ #24 Texas Tech W 51-21
Oct. 30 (#8) @ Colorado W 31-7
Nov. 6 (#6) #19 Oklahoma State W 56-35
Nov. 13 (#6) @ Kansas W 27-23
Nov. 26 (#5) No. 22 Texas A&M W 26-13
Jan. 1 (#6) vs. #12 Michigan W 38-37#
Texas is a great team to back when playing someone they have a big talent edge over, which is all but about 10 teams in the country. However, when an opponent can field a team that can compete with them, well 0-7. It's like the OU players said last year "Texas is like the neighborhood bully, hit him in the mouth a couple times and you can see the fear in his eyes."
I see this game as similar to the OU game last year. Neither team will be able to move the ball constistantly. In a game like that I will definitely be betting against Mack Brown and Vince Young. Young's 60% completion percentage doesn't tell the whole story, I would like to see his completion percentage against quality defenses. Who cares about 15-17 against ULL. Classic Texas rout.
In addition, I don't see how anyone could claim this Texas team is more talented than teams the last four or five years and frankly I don't understand the #2 ranking. I thought the line should be about OSU -3; however, I thought Texas would be come out about a 2 point favorite because of all the rediculous hype they receive for beating inferior teams senseless.
I like OSU and UNDER
When Texas finally beats Stoops this year, if they do, Brown still won't have the monkey off his back after loosing to OSU Saturday and A&M at the end of the year. By the way does anyone know where I could get a future line on Texas/Texas A&M, perfect time to get it after A&M loss before Texas loss. I hope they don't ever get rid of Brown because games like this are money in the bank.
Texas may well lose to OSU. May well lose to OU. They wont lose to AM. As I have said many times for weeks now, anyone who thinks AM is any better this year is in fantasy land. it is rather odd in fact that you go to all that history as indicative of the future, yet seem to ignore the results v Am in the same time frame.
i just look at how ohio st came on last year.....
i expect those linebackers to contain young.....expect tressel to force young to beat them with his arm.....
nobody thought tressel had a prayer vs miami,fla a few years back.....
texas always has mucho talent....ohio st is now also very talented....
....home field...at night...two qb`s to go to in case one flubs the dub....two distinctly different style qb`s....tough to prepare for....
and finally....tressel vs brown....that cinches it for me...
i expect those linebackers to contain young.....expect tressel to force young to beat them with his arm.....
nobody thought tressel had a prayer vs miami,fla a few years back.....
texas always has mucho talent....ohio st is now also very talented....
....home field...at night...two qb`s to go to in case one flubs the dub....two distinctly different style qb`s....tough to prepare for....
and finally....tressel vs brown....that cinches it for me...
Are the OSU LB's fast? I know they are talented, physical and get the job done in conf. play. But are they a fast unit? Like Miami/FSU fast? Media hypes them as being the #1 unit in the country. If they are, then I might go back to siding with OSU. You need fast LB's and/or great scheme to contain Young. Michigan was way too slow and poorly schemed.
Scott4USC said:
AJ Hawk ran a 4.42 for the scouts during OSU's Pro Day last spring. I hear thats pretty fast for a LB.
We all know Ohio St. has the edge in:
Coaching - Jim Tressel versus Mack Brown, who is obviously John Cooper's long lost brother
Linebackers - Hawk, Carpenter, Schlaigel have the capabilities and talents to contain Vince Young
Home Field - I would put "under the lights at the 'Shoe" against any hostile college football environment in the country as THE toughest place to play
Texas has the edge in:
Quarterback - Vince Young is hyped up as the best non-pocket passing QB in the country, and basically second only to Leinart. Simply put, he is SICK
Talent - The seniors in this game were ranked as the #1 recruiting class in the nation four years ago, and Mack Brown has kept his recruiting excellence going since then, stacking his team with dominating athleticism.
Both teams have excellent Defenses. The Buckeyes have extremely talented safteys and cornerbacks, the D-Line is solid, and we all know about the Linebackers. Texas has an excellent secondary that will jump at any mistake Zwick/Smith may make.
Texas has the more high powered offense with an all-american QB and a talented corp of running backs. They are lacking somewhat with receivers though, and I'm curious to know why, if Sneed is Ted Ginn-like, Texas only got him the ball one time the whole game. The Buckeyes "spread-like" offense will favor the pass this year with young RBs in the back field. Texas will have some match-up problems with OSU's group of receivers and tight ends. With 4 returning O-Lineman and Tony Pittman's skill, the run game cannot be overlooked.
Plain and simple, this game will end up being very close. My guess is the game will be within a FG, which leads me to a factor that is being greatly overlooked...the KICKING game
I tried reading everyone's post, and I may have missed this key point, but Texas missed 3 extra points last week (and used two different kickers) McGee missed the first, and had two others blocked. Texas did not attempt and extra point.
Mike Nugent graduated last year and is now with the Jets, so the Bucks have turned to Josh Huston. Unlike McGee, Huston looked unwavering agianst Miami, oh, converting 4 extra points, making 2 FGs, and kicking all but two kickoffs out of the endzone.
My best guess is that this game comes down to a late score, possibly a TD, but more likely a FG. My lean is with the Buckeyes, as coaching, home field advantage, and any resemblance of a kicking game are huge in this situation. I'll probably lay off this game, as attending the game will be action enough for me.
Coaching - Jim Tressel versus Mack Brown, who is obviously John Cooper's long lost brother
Linebackers - Hawk, Carpenter, Schlaigel have the capabilities and talents to contain Vince Young
Home Field - I would put "under the lights at the 'Shoe" against any hostile college football environment in the country as THE toughest place to play
Texas has the edge in:
Quarterback - Vince Young is hyped up as the best non-pocket passing QB in the country, and basically second only to Leinart. Simply put, he is SICK
Talent - The seniors in this game were ranked as the #1 recruiting class in the nation four years ago, and Mack Brown has kept his recruiting excellence going since then, stacking his team with dominating athleticism.
Both teams have excellent Defenses. The Buckeyes have extremely talented safteys and cornerbacks, the D-Line is solid, and we all know about the Linebackers. Texas has an excellent secondary that will jump at any mistake Zwick/Smith may make.
Texas has the more high powered offense with an all-american QB and a talented corp of running backs. They are lacking somewhat with receivers though, and I'm curious to know why, if Sneed is Ted Ginn-like, Texas only got him the ball one time the whole game. The Buckeyes "spread-like" offense will favor the pass this year with young RBs in the back field. Texas will have some match-up problems with OSU's group of receivers and tight ends. With 4 returning O-Lineman and Tony Pittman's skill, the run game cannot be overlooked.
Plain and simple, this game will end up being very close. My guess is the game will be within a FG, which leads me to a factor that is being greatly overlooked...the KICKING game
I tried reading everyone's post, and I may have missed this key point, but Texas missed 3 extra points last week (and used two different kickers) McGee missed the first, and had two others blocked. Texas did not attempt and extra point.
Mike Nugent graduated last year and is now with the Jets, so the Bucks have turned to Josh Huston. Unlike McGee, Huston looked unwavering agianst Miami, oh, converting 4 extra points, making 2 FGs, and kicking all but two kickoffs out of the endzone.
My best guess is that this game comes down to a late score, possibly a TD, but more likely a FG. My lean is with the Buckeyes, as coaching, home field advantage, and any resemblance of a kicking game are huge in this situation. I'll probably lay off this game, as attending the game will be action enough for me.
