look at the big ten bowl records or the last few years im sure it is decent. Big ten is still a strong conference.
OU GETTIN NO LOVE
- Thread starter tulah
- Start date
Scott4USC said:
I definitly agree they have played a weak schedule.
IMO Miami & FSU would lose to any of those team's listed above.
I've got them at #4 becuse I beleave they can hang tough with the better teams.
Wisky going into West Lafayette making a very potent Purdue O look ordinary was Impressive .They play Extremely SOLID D... IMO Good enough to stay within 10pts of any team.
Miami #2 is ludacris ... They were lucky to squeeze by Louisville .
also you was mentioning the differance in team athlethism .Who would you rather play for Wisconsin or FSU?...See what I mean.
Obviously teams like USC , OU , Miami , ETC have better , stronger , faster athletes .
These are programs that recruit the very best players consistantly.
OU for example with stud freshman Peterson. I'm sure he could of played for any team he wanted to.Big time programs get the big time athlethes
Also sorry about posting this in the wrong section as I now realize this has nothing to do with handicapping.
Purdue did have a good game against Wis but most of the points were scored after James went out and they also had 2 other dline men that wen out in that game. Not sure why you mention Chow that guy is overrated; basically he has had one good year and that was last year. In the biggest game of the year at home with revenge his offense got completely stuffed by a Cal defense last year that gave up over 400 yards per game and like 28-35 points per game. That is why Chow never gets a head coaching job. I think on a neutral field Purdue and Wisc beat USC on a neutral field. OU and Auburn would be good game because they arent one dimensional. I would take Wisconsin defense over USC any day of the year and I would take Purdues offense over USC any day of the year. Take that to the bank
BBK
Why do you think Norm Chow is over-rated?
The man is one of the finest Offensive minds in NCAA
I'm sure once the season is done he'll have plenty of HC offers
(I hope he stays @ USC)
Purdue or Wiscy @ home couldn't beat USC
IMO USC off. is far superior then Purdue's one dimensional aerial assult
I do agree that Wiscy Def. a bit more solid
Why do you think Norm Chow is over-rated?
The man is one of the finest Offensive minds in NCAA
I'm sure once the season is done he'll have plenty of HC offers
(I hope he stays @ USC)
Purdue or Wiscy @ home couldn't beat USC
IMO USC off. is far superior then Purdue's one dimensional aerial assult
I do agree that Wiscy Def. a bit more solid
Wow, This is getting personal. Top two teams are OU, USC. Hope to see them play for all the marbles.
I just think if you look back at Norm Chow he has had one good year and that was last year when he had really really good players this is solely my opinion. If he was so great he would be a HC already there are obvious reasons why he isnt. Also USC is about as one dimensional as you can get they cant run the ball at all so dont undertand what you mean there. And I think Wisconsin's defense is heads and shoulders over USC's defense; USC has a good defense but not a top 10-15 defense. They have been lit up all year long. Again; my opnion I could really care less about this; we should be talking about this in general discussion not in this forum; I care about winning games not about who wins the nc game and who is number one. Good luck on your plays look forward to seeing you post some plays
Norm Chow makes close to $750,000 as an OC. That is more money than most head coaches make. As far as everyone knows, Norm enjoys being an OC and is not rushing himself into a HC. He is prob. looking for the perfect fit. I think I could live with being an OC at USC with superior athletes and making more money than most head coaches. Without a doubt, Norm Chow is a genious! One good year? PLEASE! Wake up!
As for the USC defense and the stats against it. You do not follow USC football closely and you obviously do not know Carroll is a winner first, stats second. It was USC's gameplan to let CAL throw underneath all game long. How many pts did Cal (#2 offensive team in the country) score? 17pts! CAL QB was PERFECT for the day, and how many pts did CAL score? ONLY 17pts. I think Carroll's defensive strategy worked. I don't think CAL completed a pass longer than 15 yards all game and that was with Rogers having a SUPERB game! Carroll did the right thing to win the game, not win the stats!
As for the USC defense and the stats against it. You do not follow USC football closely and you obviously do not know Carroll is a winner first, stats second. It was USC's gameplan to let CAL throw underneath all game long. How many pts did Cal (#2 offensive team in the country) score? 17pts! CAL QB was PERFECT for the day, and how many pts did CAL score? ONLY 17pts. I think Carroll's defensive strategy worked. I don't think CAL completed a pass longer than 15 yards all game and that was with Rogers having a SUPERB game! Carroll did the right thing to win the game, not win the stats!
I think we can all safely agree that we are delighted to see USC as #1 in all three polls right now. Otherwise we would not be able to get a word in edgewise without Scott 4 USC telling us how they got robbed/screwed/shafted/hosed/insert verb here by the media.
Gotta disagree with you on Wisky Scott. They are definitely a top quality team!
Maybe you are just uspet with them for their numerous times at whooping on the Pac 10 in the rose bowl. Every argument you make against them for being in the top ten can be rephrased with USC/OU/AU vice Wisconsin and carry the same weight.
They are playing great ball. Strength of schedule didnt really seem to matter much at all last year... at least for a certain west coast team now did it? why the sudden change?
After re-reading your breakdown of AU, how can you have them above Wisconsin?
By the way, can you please tell us all now if you are going to be supporting the BCS bowl as the national championship this year or not? If it were to be split again, I would like to hear which bowl will be the "Real Champ" in your mind now, before we find out which one usc MIGHT be playing in.
It shall be very ironic and poetic justice if USC wins the bcs bowl this year, but another team wins the AP poll and we end up split. But lucky for us, you spelled it out last year and the BCS bowl is "not officially recognized".
Gotta disagree with you on Wisky Scott. They are definitely a top quality team!
Maybe you are just uspet with them for their numerous times at whooping on the Pac 10 in the rose bowl. Every argument you make against them for being in the top ten can be rephrased with USC/OU/AU vice Wisconsin and carry the same weight.
They are playing great ball. Strength of schedule didnt really seem to matter much at all last year... at least for a certain west coast team now did it? why the sudden change?
After re-reading your breakdown of AU, how can you have them above Wisconsin?
By the way, can you please tell us all now if you are going to be supporting the BCS bowl as the national championship this year or not? If it were to be split again, I would like to hear which bowl will be the "Real Champ" in your mind now, before we find out which one usc MIGHT be playing in.
It shall be very ironic and poetic justice if USC wins the bcs bowl this year, but another team wins the AP poll and we end up split. But lucky for us, you spelled it out last year and the BCS bowl is "not officially recognized".
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/Images/alphabetic1.gif
Scott, please take a look at this link and let me know your thoughts on how they have USC ranked overall for the past "Decade"
Perhaps we can get a letter writing campaign together for you to help protest this obvious error of having Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State (Big ten schools!) ranked ahead of USC over the past decade.
I am sure you would not disagree with Oklahoma being ranked 24th tho - it is behind USC.
Let me know how I can help, I am always up for a good letter writing campaign.
Maybe you can get some of those uber intelligent English majors at that higher learning university of USC to help us write our letters and really get some respect.
Scott, please take a look at this link and let me know your thoughts on how they have USC ranked overall for the past "Decade"
Perhaps we can get a letter writing campaign together for you to help protest this obvious error of having Wisconsin, Penn State, Michigan, and Ohio State (Big ten schools!) ranked ahead of USC over the past decade.
I am sure you would not disagree with Oklahoma being ranked 24th tho - it is behind USC.
Let me know how I can help, I am always up for a good letter writing campaign.
Maybe you can get some of those uber intelligent English majors at that higher learning university of USC to help us write our letters and really get some respect.
Last edited:
Perhaps this is why you do not give the Badgers any credit?
1994 Wisconsin 21 UCLA 16
1999 Wisconsin 38 UCLA 31
2000 Wisconsin 17 Stanford 9
Going back 10 yrs, the Big Ten is 7-3 vs the Pac 10 in Rose Bowl games.
#1 teams in each conference...if the Big 10 is as weak as some of you say, Pac 10 is a lot worse off.
1994 Wisconsin 21 UCLA 16
1999 Wisconsin 38 UCLA 31
2000 Wisconsin 17 Stanford 9
Going back 10 yrs, the Big Ten is 7-3 vs the Pac 10 in Rose Bowl games.
#1 teams in each conference...if the Big 10 is as weak as some of you say, Pac 10 is a lot worse off.
marine
For starters, I am talking about the teams THIS YEAR, not last year or the last decade. Re-read my post. Wisconsin is a great program and I love their head coach. Always loved the power running game and I even wish USC would run more. That said, I do not think Wiscy is a top 3 team in the country. That is my opinion and I gave a justified reason supporting my opinion. It has nothing to do with Wscy beating UCLA in Rose Bowls. BTW, UCLA is USC's rival, so why would I be upset with Wiscy beating UCLA? You make no sense.
Now let me quote you and dissect it.
LSU was the BCS NC and USC was the AP NC. Neither trophy is better than the other. This is how it was before and after the BCS started. The AP, unlike the coaches poll, was not forced to vote the BCS NC winner the National Champion. If USC won the BCS NC it would have been equal to LSU winning the AP. Don't believe me, take a look at history!
Beating UNLV by 15pts and only scoring 18 is not impressive. Beating Central FL is not impressive. Beating Arizona by 1pt is not impressive. Arizona at best is the 7th best Pac 10 team. I am not impressed with Wiscy beating Penn St. by 13pts or their win against Illinois. Beating Ohio St. is good but nothing great. Beating Purdue was impressive, however they needed that lucky fumble to beat Purdue. Add all Wiscy's opponents together and you get piss poor SOS. All that said, is Wiscy really playing great ball?
What does that have to do with this season? Wasn't I talking about Wiscy this year? Or was I talking about past Big 10 Rose Bowl winners? Now you confused me. :sadwave: Make some sense Marine and stay on topic. If I say Wiscy is not great this year, are you gonna prove me wrong by telling me Wiscy was a great team when they beat UCLA in the Rose Bowl? Use common sense!
SHOW ME AN ARGUMENT INSTEAD OF BITCHING OR BRINGING UP PAST ROSE BOWL WINNERS! :142lmao:
USC had a decent SOS last year. I believe it was ranked #32 in the country. LSU the other National Champion had a SOS ranked #24 I believe. I do remember LSU's SOS was less than 10 slots than USC. So I do not understand your point? Everything went against USC last year yet USC had a top 35 SOS. I have a problem with AU playing a #80 ranked SOS or Wiscy playing a #74 SOS. If you think there is no difference between a #32 SOS vs a #80 SOS, then you are hopeless to interact with.
If AUBURN was PK vs Wiscy, I would bet at least $1000 on the game on Auburn. Enough said. If USC was -10 vs Wiscy, I would bet at least $10,000 on USC. (might have to spread it around) Too bad I have not seen those lines yet this year. No big bets yet for me, but if I saw those particular lines, I would wager that much.
Thats funny. Majority of the "media" crowned USC the National Champion or the #1 team in the country. Remember, the coaches poll was "forced" to vote LSU #1. Coaches poll had USC #1 by wide margin before being "forced" to vote LSU #1. Why would I complain about that? :142lmao:
I also never complained about the BCS. LSU did not cheat getting into the BCS. They were lucky to get in but the rules were set before hand. Luckily for USC, AP did not think LSU was the #1 team in the country. I have stated that everything went against USC in terms of BCS pts yet LSU was only .15 BCS pts ahead of USC in the final BCS standings. THAT IS A VERY SMALL MARGIN!
For starters, I am talking about the teams THIS YEAR, not last year or the last decade. Re-read my post. Wisconsin is a great program and I love their head coach. Always loved the power running game and I even wish USC would run more. That said, I do not think Wiscy is a top 3 team in the country. That is my opinion and I gave a justified reason supporting my opinion. It has nothing to do with Wscy beating UCLA in Rose Bowls. BTW, UCLA is USC's rival, so why would I be upset with Wiscy beating UCLA? You make no sense.
Now let me quote you and dissect it.
LSU was the BCS NC and USC was the AP NC. Neither trophy is better than the other. This is how it was before and after the BCS started. The AP, unlike the coaches poll, was not forced to vote the BCS NC winner the National Champion. If USC won the BCS NC it would have been equal to LSU winning the AP. Don't believe me, take a look at history!
Beating UNLV by 15pts and only scoring 18 is not impressive. Beating Central FL is not impressive. Beating Arizona by 1pt is not impressive. Arizona at best is the 7th best Pac 10 team. I am not impressed with Wiscy beating Penn St. by 13pts or their win against Illinois. Beating Ohio St. is good but nothing great. Beating Purdue was impressive, however they needed that lucky fumble to beat Purdue. Add all Wiscy's opponents together and you get piss poor SOS. All that said, is Wiscy really playing great ball?
What does that have to do with this season? Wasn't I talking about Wiscy this year? Or was I talking about past Big 10 Rose Bowl winners? Now you confused me. :sadwave: Make some sense Marine and stay on topic. If I say Wiscy is not great this year, are you gonna prove me wrong by telling me Wiscy was a great team when they beat UCLA in the Rose Bowl? Use common sense!
SHOW ME AN ARGUMENT INSTEAD OF BITCHING OR BRINGING UP PAST ROSE BOWL WINNERS! :142lmao:
USC had a decent SOS last year. I believe it was ranked #32 in the country. LSU the other National Champion had a SOS ranked #24 I believe. I do remember LSU's SOS was less than 10 slots than USC. So I do not understand your point? Everything went against USC last year yet USC had a top 35 SOS. I have a problem with AU playing a #80 ranked SOS or Wiscy playing a #74 SOS. If you think there is no difference between a #32 SOS vs a #80 SOS, then you are hopeless to interact with.
If AUBURN was PK vs Wiscy, I would bet at least $1000 on the game on Auburn. Enough said. If USC was -10 vs Wiscy, I would bet at least $10,000 on USC. (might have to spread it around) Too bad I have not seen those lines yet this year. No big bets yet for me, but if I saw those particular lines, I would wager that much.
Thats funny. Majority of the "media" crowned USC the National Champion or the #1 team in the country. Remember, the coaches poll was "forced" to vote LSU #1. Coaches poll had USC #1 by wide margin before being "forced" to vote LSU #1. Why would I complain about that? :142lmao:
I also never complained about the BCS. LSU did not cheat getting into the BCS. They were lucky to get in but the rules were set before hand. Luckily for USC, AP did not think LSU was the #1 team in the country. I have stated that everything went against USC in terms of BCS pts yet LSU was only .15 BCS pts ahead of USC in the final BCS standings. THAT IS A VERY SMALL MARGIN!
Last edited:
I think that everyone should just admit that USC coaches and players are gods amongst men, and they are the best in the country no matter what position they are filling.
That said and done, can we get back to capping, my bookie is waiting.
That said and done, can we get back to capping, my bookie is waiting.
does anyone really think wisconsin would beat michigan on a neutral field? or any field for that matter? badgers get definite respect from me for winning at ohio state and purdue in back-to-back weeks, but they got a great break in the schedule this year because i dont see how they would handle michigan.
ZMAN
Curious to why you have OU #1 and USC #2 when USC beat CAL who you have ranked #4. Who or what has OU done to be put #1 when USC according to you beat the #4 team and has played a MUCH tougher SOS than OU. Not to mention OU has only played 1 road game. Just curious about the reasoning behind your top 5.
gman2
I don't think Michigan is that great. I think Wisconsin and Michigan would be a good game similar to Purdue/Wiscy game. I honestly don't know who would win. What I do know is that Wiscy or Michigan cannot compete much less win against teams like USC or OU.
Curious to why you have OU #1 and USC #2 when USC beat CAL who you have ranked #4. Who or what has OU done to be put #1 when USC according to you beat the #4 team and has played a MUCH tougher SOS than OU. Not to mention OU has only played 1 road game. Just curious about the reasoning behind your top 5.
gman2
I don't think Michigan is that great. I think Wisconsin and Michigan would be a good game similar to Purdue/Wiscy game. I honestly don't know who would win. What I do know is that Wiscy or Michigan cannot compete much less win against teams like USC or OU.
I don't want to sound like a homer, but this is not a tough schedule since you are ragging on Auburn about theirs.
Sat, Aug 28 at (23) Virginia Tech W 24-13 Mediocre team
Sat, Sep 11 Colorado State W 49-0 Terrible Team
Sat, Sep 18 at Brigham Young W 42-10 Even Worse
Sat, Sep 25 at Stanford W 31-28 Lucky to win, and looking worse after losing to Notre Dame
Sat, Oct 9 (7) California W 23-17 Good Team(Just like beating Tennessee)
Sat, Oct 16 (21) Arizona State W 45-7 Who had Arizona State beaten? Iowa?
What it amounts to is a solid team in a mediocre conference with a joke of an out of conference schedule just like Auburn, but this high and mighty USC can do no wrong stance is ridiculous.
Also, USC has a really tough schedule remaining with 1 team in the top 25 being Notre Dame(who is 24 and not even in their conference).
USC's remaing schedule looks like this with their record next their opponent.
Sat, Oct 23 Washington 6:30 pm (1-5)
Sat, Oct 30 at Washington State 7:00 pm (3-3)
Sat, Nov 6 at Oregon State TBA (2-4)
Sat, Nov 13 Arizona 10:15 pm (1-5)
Sat, Nov 27 (24) Notre Dame 8:00 pm (4-2)
Sat, Dec 4 at UCLA (4-2) with both losses to top 25 teams
Boy, that is a tough schedule. :142lmao:
Sat, Aug 28 at (23) Virginia Tech W 24-13 Mediocre team
Sat, Sep 11 Colorado State W 49-0 Terrible Team
Sat, Sep 18 at Brigham Young W 42-10 Even Worse
Sat, Sep 25 at Stanford W 31-28 Lucky to win, and looking worse after losing to Notre Dame
Sat, Oct 9 (7) California W 23-17 Good Team(Just like beating Tennessee)
Sat, Oct 16 (21) Arizona State W 45-7 Who had Arizona State beaten? Iowa?
What it amounts to is a solid team in a mediocre conference with a joke of an out of conference schedule just like Auburn, but this high and mighty USC can do no wrong stance is ridiculous.
Also, USC has a really tough schedule remaining with 1 team in the top 25 being Notre Dame(who is 24 and not even in their conference).
USC's remaing schedule looks like this with their record next their opponent.
Sat, Oct 23 Washington 6:30 pm (1-5)
Sat, Oct 30 at Washington State 7:00 pm (3-3)
Sat, Nov 6 at Oregon State TBA (2-4)
Sat, Nov 13 Arizona 10:15 pm (1-5)
Sat, Nov 27 (24) Notre Dame 8:00 pm (4-2)
Sat, Dec 4 at UCLA (4-2) with both losses to top 25 teams
Boy, that is a tough schedule. :142lmao:
Last edited:
