Pavlic/Hopkins 11/18
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Only thing Frankie is in your post, you portrayed Kelly Pavlik as the guy going for the money like he chose those opponents. I'm sure you know Pavlik was forced to fight Taylor at 166 in a remtach clause, he had no choice and that was a good fight for him to struggle and go through. Locket was simply a mandatory, and at that point, Pavlik deserved to get that out of the way rather than be stripped of a title after going thru Zertuche, Miranda, and Taylor twice, one gimme is acceptable. No doubt the two best MW in the world are Abraham & Pavlik and I agree 100%, just get them together , but now Abraham has a mandatory to crush and who else is out there at 160... John Duddy? Marco Antonio Rubio. ? Paul Williams was even brought to the table.
Banker boy Schaefer and Golden Boy approached Arum about Pavlik some time ago and they said no thanks and put them on the back burner. Then one by one Pavlik is running out of options with none to fight with Abraham tied up. Also,
HBO or whatever network has to approve of the fight and HBO and Golden Boy are in bed together big time . HBO has only so many boxing dates per year , so Golden Boy can go to HBO and say what about Pavlk Hopkins , HBO gives them the thumbs up and Schaefer reapproaches Arum, who's run out of options and the deal is made. Hopkins will keep taking the money and the HBO dates for as long as they are willing to pay him. He's the fukker creating his own personal weight class- 170 so he can bring up smaller guys to fight him like Winky Wright. I hope Pavlik is healthy and can force thiis guy into retirment.
You know Chad Dawson gave up his WBC belt to face Tarver and the WBC belt is the real deal, but he had this mandatory- Adrian Diaconou and Dawsons team- promoter Gary Shaw, etc approached Showtime who said who's Adrian Diaconu, no thanks, that fight isn't taking up one of our boxing dates. Dawson was left with the option to go to Romania , non televised in Diaconous's backyard to reclaim the full WBC title as the WBC had given Diaconu interim title staus for his big win over Chris Henry, whoever the fukk that is. I get the sense that team Dawson did the right thing and told the WBC more or less to shove their belt up their ass and made the big fight on Showtime with champion Tarver. I guess we need more of that type stuff. When the best fight the best, boxing is unbeatable. I think that's what your getting at,,,,,Chomp.
Ok chomp, lets get down to handicapping. We got that out of the way. This fight has me on the fence, so I may just pass and wait for something I can get a read on. Good luck to all who invest!
Pavlik- Hopkins
Pavlik- Hopkins
Could there be a more biased sample of opinions.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=16442
Mosley and DLH are partners with Hopkins. Calzaghe and Pavlik camp have been slinging mud for some time now, although Calzaghe is still realistic. I really hope Pav helps retire one of the Golden Oldies. If Pavlik was purely one dimensional, I could see it and I think he's pretty amped up for this, not stupid enought to take the fight lightly. Go Kelly.
Pavlik- Hopkins
Could there be a more biased sample of opinions.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=16442
Mosley and DLH are partners with Hopkins. Calzaghe and Pavlik camp have been slinging mud for some time now, although Calzaghe is still realistic. I really hope Pav helps retire one of the Golden Oldies. If Pavlik was purely one dimensional, I could see it and I think he's pretty amped up for this, not stupid enought to take the fight lightly. Go Kelly.
So what's your play? Do you feel Pavlik will stop him? I think he could IF he really tried to. I guess Pav by decision sounds like a plan to me? Anytime Hopkins is involved I have to take precautions.
I've been parlaying plays( Berto, Mosley , etc) with Pavlik for a while to get good amount down at no worse than 2 to 1. I'll take a smaller play on the under of Pavlik inside considering Hop is 44 in January and looked like he was looking for a way out in his last fight.
I think i will sit this one out. No way could i lay those odds with Pav. Hopkins is to tricky and possibly could make Pav look bad. On the other hand is he only gonna throw 5 punches a round?
Smart move with the parlays. Kelly has the tools to get the W here for sure. GL as I did'nt set this up prior so I'm stuck eating the big number if I do go with Pavlik.
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WRITERS:
Bert Sugar- Boxing Historian
“Pavlik is going to win by decision. He is not going to knock Bernard out. I don’t think Bernard fights like he once did. His best punch is a right jab followed by a right hit. Pavlik won’t pull the trigger. Remember, Bernard hasn’t been knocked out and has only been knocked down once. If Bernard won I wouldn’t be shocked but I would be surprised.”
Chris Mannix- Sports Illustrated
“While continuing to face elite competition, Hopkins has recently looked like a man trying to avoid a knockout loss than one seeking a significant victory. No question Pavlik will be looking for the early KO but his solid, 12-round decision over Jermain Taylor earlier this year proved to me that the power puncher can win when fights go the distance. Take Pavlik in a unanimous decision.”
Kevin Iole- Yahoo.com
“Pavlik by decision, Hopkins has been fighting to survive in his past couple of fights. In this fight Pavlik is younger and stronger, and he will out work Hopkins to get the win.”
Dan Rafael- ESPN.com
“Bernard is a great fighter, but Pavlik's youth and activity level are going to be hard for him to overcome. It will be a tough fight, but Pavlik on a competitive decision.”
Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal
”Pavlik in a decision over Bernard Hopkins. The ghost should be too busy and keep too much pressure on the great, but 43 year old Hopkins. Hopkins can be an octopus and Pavlik has to watch that Bernard does not tie him up or catch him with a sneaky right.”
John Falgoust- USA Today
“Pavlik by decision. Hopkins will exploit Pavlik's heavy feet by turning him and walking him into counters. Hopkins will find it difficult staying on the inside with a guy like Pavlik who throws such good short punches, especially uppercuts. Still, Hopkins is more versatile, and even though he may do enough to earn the decision, today's judges usually give the close rounds to the fighter who is more active regardless of accuracy or effectiveness of the punches.”
Tim Smith- New York Daily News
“I like Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins because I think Kelly is younger. I can't see him knocking out Bernard. But I can see him outworking Hopkins for a decision.”
Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger
“Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik is moving up in weight to former light heavyweight king Bernard Hopkins. But when they stand side-by-side, Pavlik appears to be the bigger man. He is younger and stronger than the 43-year-old Hopkins, who is beginning to show signs of slowing down as the results of his five most recent fights indicate – he is 2-3 during that span. Pavlik is a busy fighter and Hopkins doesn’t compete more than a minute per round. This is a dangerous fight for Hopkins. Pavlik, 26, wins by unanimous decision.”
Keith Idec- Herald News
“Pavlik by unanimous decision. The crafty, forceful Hopkins will, as usual, make this his kind of fight, ugly but close. At 43, he won't be active enough to make it all that entertaining. But he is still smart enough and skilled enough to make it very competitive.”
Bobby Cassidy- Newsday
“Bernard says he's not afraid of a ghost but he should be afraid of this one. I think Pavlik scores a fairly comfortable decision. I would have loved this fight with both men in their primes. But right now, Pavlik's youth, energy and strength will carry the day. Bernard is crafty will survive the 12 rounds but he'll absorb a lot of punches.”
Lyle Fitzsimmons- Pensacola News Journal
“Pavlik KO 9--Hopkins has thrived for years against guys he could trick into playing cagey games in the ring. Pavlik is too rough and tumble to go for that sort of sublime bait, and too strong for Bernard to evade all night. I think the end of a legend.”
Michael David Smith - FanHouse.com (AOL Sports)
“Hopkins has had a long and distinguished career, but at age 43 he's not quick enough to do damage to a skilled fighter who's just entering his prime like Pavlik. Pavlik will win a decision.”
12 out of 12 for the Ghost.
I took him by decision at even odds big, i might hedge it with later rds ko.
Bert Sugar- Boxing Historian
“Pavlik is going to win by decision. He is not going to knock Bernard out. I don’t think Bernard fights like he once did. His best punch is a right jab followed by a right hit. Pavlik won’t pull the trigger. Remember, Bernard hasn’t been knocked out and has only been knocked down once. If Bernard won I wouldn’t be shocked but I would be surprised.”
Chris Mannix- Sports Illustrated
“While continuing to face elite competition, Hopkins has recently looked like a man trying to avoid a knockout loss than one seeking a significant victory. No question Pavlik will be looking for the early KO but his solid, 12-round decision over Jermain Taylor earlier this year proved to me that the power puncher can win when fights go the distance. Take Pavlik in a unanimous decision.”
Kevin Iole- Yahoo.com
“Pavlik by decision, Hopkins has been fighting to survive in his past couple of fights. In this fight Pavlik is younger and stronger, and he will out work Hopkins to get the win.”
Dan Rafael- ESPN.com
“Bernard is a great fighter, but Pavlik's youth and activity level are going to be hard for him to overcome. It will be a tough fight, but Pavlik on a competitive decision.”
Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal
”Pavlik in a decision over Bernard Hopkins. The ghost should be too busy and keep too much pressure on the great, but 43 year old Hopkins. Hopkins can be an octopus and Pavlik has to watch that Bernard does not tie him up or catch him with a sneaky right.”
John Falgoust- USA Today
“Pavlik by decision. Hopkins will exploit Pavlik's heavy feet by turning him and walking him into counters. Hopkins will find it difficult staying on the inside with a guy like Pavlik who throws such good short punches, especially uppercuts. Still, Hopkins is more versatile, and even though he may do enough to earn the decision, today's judges usually give the close rounds to the fighter who is more active regardless of accuracy or effectiveness of the punches.”
Tim Smith- New York Daily News
“I like Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins because I think Kelly is younger. I can't see him knocking out Bernard. But I can see him outworking Hopkins for a decision.”
Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger
“Middleweight champion Kelly Pavlik is moving up in weight to former light heavyweight king Bernard Hopkins. But when they stand side-by-side, Pavlik appears to be the bigger man. He is younger and stronger than the 43-year-old Hopkins, who is beginning to show signs of slowing down as the results of his five most recent fights indicate – he is 2-3 during that span. Pavlik is a busy fighter and Hopkins doesn’t compete more than a minute per round. This is a dangerous fight for Hopkins. Pavlik, 26, wins by unanimous decision.”
Keith Idec- Herald News
“Pavlik by unanimous decision. The crafty, forceful Hopkins will, as usual, make this his kind of fight, ugly but close. At 43, he won't be active enough to make it all that entertaining. But he is still smart enough and skilled enough to make it very competitive.”
Bobby Cassidy- Newsday
“Bernard says he's not afraid of a ghost but he should be afraid of this one. I think Pavlik scores a fairly comfortable decision. I would have loved this fight with both men in their primes. But right now, Pavlik's youth, energy and strength will carry the day. Bernard is crafty will survive the 12 rounds but he'll absorb a lot of punches.”
Lyle Fitzsimmons- Pensacola News Journal
“Pavlik KO 9--Hopkins has thrived for years against guys he could trick into playing cagey games in the ring. Pavlik is too rough and tumble to go for that sort of sublime bait, and too strong for Bernard to evade all night. I think the end of a legend.”
Michael David Smith - FanHouse.com (AOL Sports)
“Hopkins has had a long and distinguished career, but at age 43 he's not quick enough to do damage to a skilled fighter who's just entering his prime like Pavlik. Pavlik will win a decision.”
12 out of 12 for the Ghost.
I took him by decision at even odds big, i might hedge it with later rds ko.
my favorite....
Tim Smith- New York Daily News
?I like Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins because I think Kelly is younger. "
a new dynamic is thrown into the mix !.....
Tim Smith- New York Daily News
?I like Kelly Pavlik against Bernard Hopkins because I think Kelly is younger. "
a new dynamic is thrown into the mix !.....
12 out of 12 experts pick Pavlik and the overwhelming majority picks him to win by decision.
@-105, I think thats the way to got, Evan is on the same side, so it might be better to play that one conservatively... ;-)
@-105, I think thats the way to got, Evan is on the same side, so it might be better to play that one conservatively... ;-)
Well, actually I dont know about their reputation... I didnt base my bet on their predictions, I was leaning that way before...
BTW, maybe you guys can help me with that.
I'm considering a bet on Hopkins to be ahead after 3: +300 and leader after 3 loses or draws @+300.
I expect Hopkins to fight at a measured pace , he doesnt have the reputation to be a quick starter, but I think it might not be easy for Pavlik to figure out Hopkins style from the get go...down the stretch I expect Pavlik to outwork Hopkins....
I know that Lederman can be a little biased, I dont know, is he more pro Hopkins or more pro Pavlik!?
BTW, maybe you guys can help me with that.
I'm considering a bet on Hopkins to be ahead after 3: +300 and leader after 3 loses or draws @+300.
I expect Hopkins to fight at a measured pace , he doesnt have the reputation to be a quick starter, but I think it might not be easy for Pavlik to figure out Hopkins style from the get go...down the stretch I expect Pavlik to outwork Hopkins....
I know that Lederman can be a little biased, I dont know, is he more pro Hopkins or more pro Pavlik!?
Well Lederman gave Calzaghe round 2, which I thought Hop clearly won, but then he gave Hop a close rd 3. I thought his final scorecard was unjust to Hop.
From what I recall, Lederman is pro Pavlik. I know he had him well ahead vs JT1, and I heard he had him well ahead vs JT2, a fight I scored a draw.
An early flash KD isn't out of the question in this fight. Even then, I can imagine Pavlik winning the next 2 to make it even, and no action.
I typically like that prop myself, but I probably wouldn't take it here.
From what I recall, Lederman is pro Pavlik. I know he had him well ahead vs JT1, and I heard he had him well ahead vs JT2, a fight I scored a draw.
An early flash KD isn't out of the question in this fight. Even then, I can imagine Pavlik winning the next 2 to make it even, and no action.
I typically like that prop myself, but I probably wouldn't take it here.
I have a feeling Kelly is gonna look really bad in this fight but get the decision. I forget who said it but they have a point with Kelly's style of fighting fitting right into Bernards style. Would have been nice to see this fight when Bernard wasn't afraid to throw some punches. I will stick to CFB for my Saturdays choice of wagers.
That's actually a very strong possibility.
I just watched the last part of the HBO countdowon for Hopkins Pavlik....Pavlik just doesnt seem carry the extra weight very well, I mean he still seems to be a middle weight who comfortably extends to 170 lbs...not unlike Wright....Taylor -even though he was coming of a loss - was doing much better against pavlik at 166 lbs....I believe Hopkins will be the stronger fighter, maybe even Pavliks punchout will diminish because of the extra weight.
And I always thought that Hopkins would be a puzzle stylistically for Pavlik....
I just watched the last part of the HBO countdowon for Hopkins Pavlik....Pavlik just doesnt seem carry the extra weight very well, I mean he still seems to be a middle weight who comfortably extends to 170 lbs...not unlike Wright....Taylor -even though he was coming of a loss - was doing much better against pavlik at 166 lbs....I believe Hopkins will be the stronger fighter, maybe even Pavliks punchout will diminish because of the extra weight.
And I always thought that Hopkins would be a puzzle stylistically for Pavlik....
Pavlik ITD Medium at +280. Hopkins was running out of steam in the Calz fight and Kelly is an everything hurts type of puncher.
Hopkins ITD Small at +1100. Had to take those odds.
Good luck all.
Hopkins ITD Small at +1100. Had to take those odds.
Good luck all.
