President Shithole
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8 years of Obama was enough, so glad Trump is President all you snowflakes crying makes me happy
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You accusing someone else about crying is hilarious.
You have been the biggest snowflake in the history of this forum, how many times did you cry about how you were being treated and leave "forever"?
I mean you left the forum signed up at other forums to cry about your treatment here.
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Josh, thanks for the well thought out reply. I'd make a couple points, that maybe I've tried to make before and failed at. Bill Clinton DID get a blow job in the White House and DID cheat on his wife while in office, but it didn't make him any less able to do the job to, perhaps, the highest level in our lifetime so why would Trump SAYING something prior to getting elected and DOING the same cheating as Clinton make him less able to run the country? To be clear, he isn't able to do it, but you can't disqualify him based on the same (or worse) indiscretions of someone I'm sure you agree handled the job very well.
How did we vote for Trump? Simple, we didn't, we voted against Hillary. Had the Dems run Sanders, or Biden or any number of stomachable candidates the outcome of the election would not have been close. We were never FOR Trump, but you have to understand we couldn't tolerate an HRC White House.
The Dems are in the "Do better" chair for 2020, give us an option other than Hillary (or Oprah for God's sake) and Trump will be a memory.
I can get the "We voted against Hillary, and not FOR Trump" schtick, but what excuse do you have for Trump being your candidate? You guys, and you guys alone put that piece of shit up there!
I always thought we could never have a bigger buffoon than Jimmy Carter running the "show", but I was way off base there!
Good point. I think Trump said a lot of things that the conservatives have wanted to say, but knew they shouldn't and it appealed to the masses. As much as TU and WHN say their party is full of pussies who back down too easy I look at the GOP exactly the same way. We sit around and take shit and take shit and just finally had enough.
When Trump started saying all the things we had been thinking it resonated with people. I'm not saying it's right, but it was clear he could beat Hillary and that is what mattered to us.
Your point is well taken, there is blame to go around.
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Already today i'm hearing from the GOP that we are gonna need more to pass DACA. Uh huh.
Now i've been busy but I saw that for a brief moment and laughed. You have to give the GOP credit. They know how to play the game.
Now i've been busy but I saw that for a brief moment and laughed. You have to give the GOP credit. They know how to play the game.
Schumer said he wanted to withdraw the offer to fund the border wall and Trump said he would pull DACA if that was the case.
Nobody asked for anything more. This is what I would call negotiating. Schumer wants to see if he can get DACA without funding the wall and I don't blame him.
Nobody asked for anything more. This is what I would call negotiating. Schumer wants to see if he can get DACA without funding the wall and I don't blame him.
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Exactly. DACA could have been done to open the government and now Trump wants us to pay for a wall or no DACA. Dems are such pussies. I thought Mexico was gonna pay for it? Fucking morons who voted for this idiot.
Thanks PF - It is easy to see reading your posts that you are not off kilter or wearing blinders through this ride. We don't have to agree politically but there are some generalities I think we both agree upon. To that end I think you and I truly believe that President Trump & Former President Clintong is not/ did not perform at a standard we would term Presidential. Congress and the Senate are a joke proved by how often we have party line votes. That is a problem both parties have and I wish we had term limits to help more free thinkers represent their constituents.
My passion for Politics has waned over the past few years but President Trump has sure stirred a little fire under my tush. I don't mind talking about President Clinton and his wrong doings because the Paula Jones lawsuit and Monica Lewinski scandal was a huge ordeal and actions from those proceedings lead to articles of impeachment passing the House and failing in the Senate. The two charges filed were perjury and obstruction of justice.
I do have an ironic bit of trivia from these proceedings, as many will remember the prosecutor in the case was named Kenneth Starr. Starr presented evidence that President Clinton lied about the Monica Lewinski scandal under oath and championed the fact that fellatio does indeed relate to sexual relations. Fast forward 15 years and Ken Starr was fired as the University President of Baylor where 50+ counts of sexual misconduct were reported against 30+ Baylor Football players during his time. In other news, the Trump administration offered Ken Starr a State Department Job - https://www.si.com/college-football...r-sexual-assault-scandal-trump-administration
While fact checking myself on this post, I did come across this line
I absolutely see your point on comparing apples to apples & Bj's to Bj's here and I will even throw in that I am 100% certain that Bill Clinton lied under oath in The Lewinski scandal. I am not sure that President Trump has lied under oath. The only reason I say that is, I am not sure he has ever actually made statements under oath. If he has then I would change my answer to I am 101% sure that Trump has lied under oath. The guy can't help but lie. I don't believe this is even a debatable fact that the Right will fight. He has changed what is acceptable as a President of the United States and it is not good. Every week there is an outrageous statement or tweet and he is a poor choice to represent our Country.
It would be easy to continue on. It would be easy to type about his: Racist Remarks, Lies, Ego, Lack of Adjectives, Assault on the 1st Amendment, Propaganda overload, More Lies, Favoritism, Cronyism, Nepotism, More bad isms, list goes on and on. A man with zero political experience sits at the head of our political table and has the worst table manners I have ever seen. I also know you agree with most of this and that he is not doing a very good job with his Public Relations. But it feels good to say it when you're sitting on my side.
So do I think Clinton did a good job in office? Economically he benefited from the mid to late 90's technology push. We went from AOL to ground breaking internet advancements and car phones to mobile flip phones. It was going to be hard to screw up that economy and who knows what would have happened during the Bush administration had Al Qaeda not attacked on 9/11/01. I don't think Clinton did a bad job but I do know that his affair is a permanent black eye and punch line of a joke during that period of time in our history. Bill Clinton survived impeachment and I wouldn't mind seeing Trump face some of these serious questions under oath. I think technology advancement gets the credit for the 90's boom.
There is no dispute that the economy is humming right now. I think we could debate that the Obama administration has some influence on the current economy but I am not naive enough to not see that President Trump is playing a big part in this stock market. The rich are getting richer but I'm not sure Trump's deregulation effort is something to applaud. Regulations were put in place to prevent future Enron's from defrauding the government. Regulations were put in place to prevent drunk captains from dumping oil in Alaska. Regulations were put in place to protect our beaches from offshore drilling. Who gets blamed when there is an accident that ruins a coastline? The company that causes the disaster or the agency that allows the drilling in the first place? Who pays for it? To my bigger point, does anyone from a land locked state deserve to have a say on a State's coast line? You talked about knowing people losing paychecks from the Government shut down. We have Syrian Refugees and I am sure we have Dreamers as clients who are busting their asses getting 1099's and W-2's out this week. Here's a breakdown of Dreamers by state - https://qz.com/1069844/who-are-the-dreamers-and-where-do-they-live/
I've typed so much I can't erase it but I got so far off track that I'm not sure what my original end game was to this post. So I'll try to Cliff Note it
I understand Hillary sucked as a candidate. Our side thinks Donald Trump was worse and at this point of the game we kind of feel like we have been proven right. He is doing damage to the image of the USA frequently and many people still defend him. We ask all of those people to please stop defending President Trump. Just admit you made a mistake, promise not to do it again and move on quietly.
I have a 3 year old son and I need him to have options for role models outside of our household. That cupboard is currently bare.
Exactly! And that is why the Dems want them and more. As many as they can get. End of story.
Anyone who defends Trump and his actions is just trolling you or their opinion is that of a feeble mind and should be dismissed. You have your share of nutjobs on the Left as well, though. You have people who would rather everhone suffer just to get his side a win in a fight he has no dog in. That will never make sense to people like me. So my string raise here would be, I see your Hedgehog and raise you a Trampled Underfoot.
Regarding the bold, this is where the battle line gets blurred. Trump is doing a great job of proving your point, but only because the damage Hillary would have done to the right is not quantifiable with her not being in office.
As much as you hate Trump you have to understand you need to multiply that by 10 to understand the fear the right had of Hillary. I'm not able to, nor am I interested in arguing which side is correct because, again, we can only prove what job Trump has done, not what Hillary would have done. The only thing I can say for certain is that fear of Hillary was real and it was real enough to get the masses on the right off their asses and vote against her.
I am blown away the Dems didn't see this, but part of me thinks they did and in their arrogance ran Hillary anyway. Imagine the power they would have had if they could have ran the worst possible candidate and STILL won. Things for the right would be very very dark and that just wasn't acceptable to the point we now have Donald Trump as President.
None of this am I able to believe will be read in the history books 50 years from now and be taken seriously.
First off - You had some great lines in there. Second off - The points you made were not polarizing and came across as matter of fact. No false claims. No screaming. You left emotion out. I'm not sure you are discussing politics correctly but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
A golfing/softball/sports buddy of mine, who sits to the right, and I had a 30 second conversation before the election that went very similar to this. Trump never sat on a school board, he has zero experience. Wait, you're going to vote for Hillary... She's a crook.
That was my introduction to finding out that the fear was real.
I think we've pointed out that the battle lines are very clear and you are absolutely correct that the only way to know how Hillary would have done is to speak hypothetically or discover an alternate universe. In both of those cases, all of the right and some portion of the middle would be up in arms over how things were proceeding.
All of this points to a bleak future of US politics. A large number of both bases is firmly entrenched and unwilling to vote for the other Party. It is the reason I brought up how monumental the Alabama Senate race was. I agree with your reason on why Trump won (The Hillary Fear) but have one clarifying opinion I want to run by you. If Bernie had run and won, it would not have been because the majority of 2016 Trump voters changed their pick to Bernie. It would have been because a number of 2016 Trump voters would have just stayed home instead of voting. As you stated, The Hillary fear lead people to the polls to vote against her but it is my belief that those same voters would have never voted for Bernie or any other of us Lefty Communist Foreigner Loving Democrats. Without the fear, many would have just stayed home instead on 11/8/16.
To the first bolded point, I sincerely hope you are wrong. I want to feel as though both sides learned something here and are making an unspoken promise not to do it again. Both sides need to present candidates able to to the job and not so far off either side of the page that the other side is willing to commit suicide over it. Again, anyone not trolling you will readily admit Trump is doing about as bad of a job as any educated person could, regardless of the fact they voted for him.
Second bolded: I hope I was clear that this was my belief all along. I have friends and family that will never vote Democrat and while I know there are people who won't vote Republican I guess I still don't understand the mindset. I've voted for both parties in the past, I tend to want the person in office who I think will best support the things I value most. There have been years that meant voting Blue (Bill Clinton) and years that meant voting Red (Reagan) and there have been years I have indeed voted Red simply because I am a Republican (Bush, either time). I don't think anyone that voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders (though I can firmly say I would have voted for Biden), but they would have stayed home and not voted for Trump in large enough quantity to leave Sanders the winner.
