FYI on those who "are" interested in Reliv which I've got many positive responses on already.....Reliv had a huge convention in Phoenix, Arizona this past weekend and introduced their brand new product that just passed through clinical studies to help prevent heart disease and cholesterol!! It's been through clinical trials and studies for the past five years and they finally gave it the ok. We all know how much of a problem that disease is around the world especially in the U.S.!!! It's a very exciting time for anyone involved with Reliv National as they just keep improving, creating, and helping nourish our world!! If you'd like to read about any of the products or about this amazing company and see how Reliv can help you or anyone you know ask Jack for my e-mail and I can send you our Reliv website. I haven't had one person not have positive results from these products no matter what your situation is!!
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dont take any of this stuff with any medicine that you are taking unless you talk to a pharacological expert.....you never know what is in it and it can interfere with your liver enzymes and result in toxic levels of medication and or their breakdown products
better to use some holy water from Benny Hinn
better to use some holy water from Benny Hinn
How did people ever get better without the FDA, and pharmaceutical companies?
If big business can't stuff their pockets, then the product can't be "good" for the consumer!
If there are herbs, or roots, or plants, or animal dung that will prevent/clear up/cure something, that's too bad. The FDA will tell you that it is illegal, and unsafe, because they haven't put their stamp on it.
Let's create more drugs, and shove them down the consumers' throat to block the symptoms.......yeah, that's great. But, if chewing on a root will cure the problem, we can't have that! Why? If you can go to Hop Sing's apothecary and pick up some herbs for a couple bucks, then Bristol-Myers Squibb can't sell a pill that costs $12 a dose, two times a day, for the rest of your life!
Look, I don't know what Right Side is trying to do, and I don't care. It just seems that everyone assumes that anything without a 'government stamp' is unsafe, while it must be gospel if it comes from the feds!
It has been decades since your government has cared about you or a "by the people, for the people" credo. They are big business, and they are in business BIG!
If big business can't stuff their pockets, then the product can't be "good" for the consumer!
If there are herbs, or roots, or plants, or animal dung that will prevent/clear up/cure something, that's too bad. The FDA will tell you that it is illegal, and unsafe, because they haven't put their stamp on it.
Let's create more drugs, and shove them down the consumers' throat to block the symptoms.......yeah, that's great. But, if chewing on a root will cure the problem, we can't have that! Why? If you can go to Hop Sing's apothecary and pick up some herbs for a couple bucks, then Bristol-Myers Squibb can't sell a pill that costs $12 a dose, two times a day, for the rest of your life!
Look, I don't know what Right Side is trying to do, and I don't care. It just seems that everyone assumes that anything without a 'government stamp' is unsafe, while it must be gospel if it comes from the feds!
It has been decades since your government has cared about you or a "by the people, for the people" credo. They are big business, and they are in business BIG!
because, you moron, lots of people have died for "chewing on a root"
funny how some people only know what they want to know
i guess that is why we call them ignorant
funny how some people only know what they want to know
i guess that is why we call them ignorant
dr. freeze said:
Kinda funny how those words apply to pretty much anything that spills outta your sewer.......
More people die in hospitals, taking prescribed drugs, than die "chewing roots".
Now, it would seem that "ignorance" could be defined as someone thinking only their way of doing things can be correct, and no other method can offer any light.
But, what the hell do I know? I never went to medical school.
Then again, you don't have to have an education, to be educated.
Just my 2 cents. I think there are MANY cures out there that are natural. (plants, herbs, etc)
The drug companies are spending BILLIONS on just advertising alone!!! Look how many commercials we see on Celebrex, Viagara, Allegra, Singulair, etc etc. They WANT you to go to the Doctors office and request their medicine and hopefully your doctor will give you a prescription and you go out and buy their products. I have NEVER seen so many drug commercials in my life! (I could only remember a few, so I turned on my TV and by channel surfing, found the last 2 I mentioned in less than 1 minute!) The FDA is supposed to monitor these drug companies but do you think that really happenes???
Bought Kevin Trudeau's book "What they DON'T want you to know" I believe most of what he says.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
The drug companies are spending BILLIONS on just advertising alone!!! Look how many commercials we see on Celebrex, Viagara, Allegra, Singulair, etc etc. They WANT you to go to the Doctors office and request their medicine and hopefully your doctor will give you a prescription and you go out and buy their products. I have NEVER seen so many drug commercials in my life! (I could only remember a few, so I turned on my TV and by channel surfing, found the last 2 I mentioned in less than 1 minute!) The FDA is supposed to monitor these drug companies but do you think that really happenes???
Bought Kevin Trudeau's book "What they DON'T want you to know" I believe most of what he says.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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yyz said:
Thanks Captain Obvious...more people die in the hospital from prescribed drugs because of the exact reason they are in the hospital, their body is sick in one way or another.
I was gonna post what Freeze did before I saw it. He never discredited the use of herbal remedies, he merely suggested to check if it would interfere w/ any meds people were taking. You know scott there are people out there without your humbling genius who don't realize that OTC stuff can interact with their medications.
Sometimes your crusade to argue everything freeze says discredits anything of actual reason you may post once in a while.
TJ,
The American people will do whatever they are told to do, as a whole. We sorta quit thinking/doing for ourselves.
Drugs are getting pulled off the shelves at what seems to me, to be an alarming rate. We are bombarded with ads telling us that we need drugs for our depression, our weight, our cholesterol, our ADD, our whatever!
Okay.....the drug stems the symptoms, makes you feel better, and you live your life. But, what about the natural cures? Plenty of ailments can be dealt with the same way, I would have to think. Kinda like vitamin supplements. If you eat your fruit and veggies, you don't need pills.
Well, maybe if you ingest "whatever" combination of herbs, etc, you don't need that prescription for Allegra! The government sure as hell aint gonna tell you about it! Aventis sure as shit aint gonna tell you! The doctor playing the shill for Aventis damned sure aint sending you to Mr Pak's around the corner!
The funny thing is.......They don't find cures for anything anymore!!!!
Why? There is no money in it! If I can tell you that you have "acid reflux", and need Prevacid once a day for the rest of your life, I can sell you that shit for the next 40 years!
What if I could dip a Wheat Thin in honey and have that every morning, and it would do the same thing? Is it "wrong" because the stooges at the FDA didn't "OK" it first?
BULLSHIT!
The American people will do whatever they are told to do, as a whole. We sorta quit thinking/doing for ourselves.
Drugs are getting pulled off the shelves at what seems to me, to be an alarming rate. We are bombarded with ads telling us that we need drugs for our depression, our weight, our cholesterol, our ADD, our whatever!
Okay.....the drug stems the symptoms, makes you feel better, and you live your life. But, what about the natural cures? Plenty of ailments can be dealt with the same way, I would have to think. Kinda like vitamin supplements. If you eat your fruit and veggies, you don't need pills.
Well, maybe if you ingest "whatever" combination of herbs, etc, you don't need that prescription for Allegra! The government sure as hell aint gonna tell you about it! Aventis sure as shit aint gonna tell you! The doctor playing the shill for Aventis damned sure aint sending you to Mr Pak's around the corner!
The funny thing is.......They don't find cures for anything anymore!!!!
Why? There is no money in it! If I can tell you that you have "acid reflux", and need Prevacid once a day for the rest of your life, I can sell you that shit for the next 40 years!
What if I could dip a Wheat Thin in honey and have that every morning, and it would do the same thing? Is it "wrong" because the stooges at the FDA didn't "OK" it first?
BULLSHIT!
WOW....I didn't mean to start a war here fellas. You CAN take Reliv products and still be on your medications and be just fine. I haven't heard of ONE situation or inncidence with anyone regarding any types of those side effects. The ONLY effects I've seen are POSITIVE effects on peoples health and the way they feel in their everyday life. Look, I'm just here to share and introduce these amazing products that are ALL NATURAL that's really changed our lives. This isn't a scam or B.S.!! I know you don't know me from a hole in the wall and everyone's first impression is usually always defensive about it because their "are" B.S. products out there! I was very skeptical in the beginning myself until I saw the actual results with my wife with my own eyes! Now I'm seeing results with everyone I've introduced the products to.....you can believe me or not. That's your decision, but all I ask is if your the slightest bit interested give it a chance first instead of shooting it down right away. This is a very positive thing to spread around and I feel strongly about that! I don't see trying to help people with their health being a bad thing. I've always been that type. Again, sorry for spreading any bad vibes to anyone. That was not my intentions what so ever!
saint said:
I guess I wasn't too obvious, after all.
I was just wondering if there are actually "cures" other than traditional medicine, that would have prevented the "need for drugs and hospitalization"?
My original post had nothing to do with Freeze, rather people "poo-pooing" the thread, and the 'claims' of the FDA.
Eric....always has been, always will be. And I think we all saw the episode of Seinfeld, where Jerry had Mr Pittman take an "over-the-counter" drug that caused a terrible reaction! Thus, none of us would make such a grievous error.
I have put my two cents in over Freeze in about .01% of my posts. Most often, it is in response to something he fired off at me.
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no money in cures so we dont get cures huh?
lmao another ignorant look at medicine
since you have a pair of balls, yyz, why dont you look at how we can cure testicular cancer with mediicines
why dont you look at how we can cure burkitts lymphoma with medicines
ever heard of an antibiotic? we come out with better ones every year!
you have a very limited understanding of medicine and continue to not only show your ignorance but also flaunt your unwillingness to learn despite attempts to educate you
the problem with these cocktails, herbal cocktails, is it is similar to mixing up medicines at your local pharmacy and swigging them down once a day
there is no evidenced based research behind them, we dont know how they interact, we dont know how they interact with medicines people take -- other than some are fine and some can be lethal
so it seems best to not take them unless you have researched every herb that you are taking and talk to a pharmacist about it
if you do not, you may find your family lined up in the ephedra-likelawsuit suing someone for it someday later on because of a lack of foreknowldge and the arrogance to not heed a warning
where do you think we get medicines? many of them are from roots, leaves, stems, fungi, herbs, bacteria, etc....
its funny how one can assume, sometimes correctly so, that one is being perhaps brainwashed by a pharmaceutical company, but on the half hour paid advertisment which proclaims all natural supplements, one is not being brainwashed
lmao another ignorant look at medicine
since you have a pair of balls, yyz, why dont you look at how we can cure testicular cancer with mediicines
why dont you look at how we can cure burkitts lymphoma with medicines
ever heard of an antibiotic? we come out with better ones every year!
you have a very limited understanding of medicine and continue to not only show your ignorance but also flaunt your unwillingness to learn despite attempts to educate you
the problem with these cocktails, herbal cocktails, is it is similar to mixing up medicines at your local pharmacy and swigging them down once a day
there is no evidenced based research behind them, we dont know how they interact, we dont know how they interact with medicines people take -- other than some are fine and some can be lethal
so it seems best to not take them unless you have researched every herb that you are taking and talk to a pharmacist about it
if you do not, you may find your family lined up in the ephedra-likelawsuit suing someone for it someday later on because of a lack of foreknowldge and the arrogance to not heed a warning
where do you think we get medicines? many of them are from roots, leaves, stems, fungi, herbs, bacteria, etc....
its funny how one can assume, sometimes correctly so, that one is being perhaps brainwashed by a pharmaceutical company, but on the half hour paid advertisment which proclaims all natural supplements, one is not being brainwashed
and as saint correctly posted, many of the herbal medicines are good to take...but you have to know what you are taking and you have to be careful
trying to educate you, since this line of medine is part of the specialty which i am involved with, i thought i could help and also help demonstrate how this clown's product might not be the latest and greatest thing to take
trying to educate you, since this line of medine is part of the specialty which i am involved with, i thought i could help and also help demonstrate how this clown's product might not be the latest and greatest thing to take
Turned into quite a different thread than the intent.
YYz has some good points albeit possibly biased, Dr. Freeze provide a required comment that (and I am sure he will tell you this with his AuC information etc. with mixing certain meds and or natural products could produce lethal or damaging levels of currently taken drugs) and may be somewhat biased as his profession, but I would make the assumption his statement was more basd on his knowledge of "Science" than anything.
My information will come out as somewhat biased as well, because I am in the pharmaceutical Industry in Cardiovascular medicine (formerly Womens Health Care) but there are specific reasons why the FDA continues to monitor drugs and it isn't just because Big Brother is watching.
FDA has guidlelines in place to inhibit harm to others based on strict guidleines and regulations, I commonly hear thinkgs about Celebrex, Vioxx, Crestor, etc (most recent with issues) and can say that quite a few of them stem with post -marketing events. Medical trials are not as easy as everyone thinks to get people enrolled and to follow through, much less talking about the expense it takes to get a good trial going.
Right side alluded to clinical trials suggestion that the cardiovascualr benefits of the product are oslid due to some studies, we with a trained eye you would have to look at the stats, number of people involved, primary and secondary endpoints, any subsets, as well as looking at the study design to see if it was open labeled, mutlicentered, placebo-controlled, peer reviewed, I could go on and on. But the study design helps determine the validity of the results being shown and also comes up with a P:Value that determines of the outcomes comes by chance or not.
I would hesitate to offer up an opinion on any product without at least first teli\ling your doc that you are looking at starting something period because of the chance of reaction and the realism that damage to the liver etc, is real amongst other concerns. Heck most don't even know that drinking a large amount of grapefruit also alters the way medication is broken down in the liver because it is (lack of a better term) occupying the same enzyme that breaks down the drug essentailly passing more of a drug into the systemic circulation.
Is this over some people's head, yep I am sure it is. But that is also the value of what science can and does teach us. So in this type of dicussion lack of knowledge could be a powerful wrong, that is why IMO one should be slow to condemn and more should be DONE to ask questions! Understanding is key, without it we just have barbs traded with no value.
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YYz has some good points albeit possibly biased, Dr. Freeze provide a required comment that (and I am sure he will tell you this with his AuC information etc. with mixing certain meds and or natural products could produce lethal or damaging levels of currently taken drugs) and may be somewhat biased as his profession, but I would make the assumption his statement was more basd on his knowledge of "Science" than anything.
My information will come out as somewhat biased as well, because I am in the pharmaceutical Industry in Cardiovascular medicine (formerly Womens Health Care) but there are specific reasons why the FDA continues to monitor drugs and it isn't just because Big Brother is watching.
FDA has guidlelines in place to inhibit harm to others based on strict guidleines and regulations, I commonly hear thinkgs about Celebrex, Vioxx, Crestor, etc (most recent with issues) and can say that quite a few of them stem with post -marketing events. Medical trials are not as easy as everyone thinks to get people enrolled and to follow through, much less talking about the expense it takes to get a good trial going.
Right side alluded to clinical trials suggestion that the cardiovascualr benefits of the product are oslid due to some studies, we with a trained eye you would have to look at the stats, number of people involved, primary and secondary endpoints, any subsets, as well as looking at the study design to see if it was open labeled, mutlicentered, placebo-controlled, peer reviewed, I could go on and on. But the study design helps determine the validity of the results being shown and also comes up with a P:Value that determines of the outcomes comes by chance or not.
I would hesitate to offer up an opinion on any product without at least first teli\ling your doc that you are looking at starting something period because of the chance of reaction and the realism that damage to the liver etc, is real amongst other concerns. Heck most don't even know that drinking a large amount of grapefruit also alters the way medication is broken down in the liver because it is (lack of a better term) occupying the same enzyme that breaks down the drug essentailly passing more of a drug into the systemic circulation.
Is this over some people's head, yep I am sure it is. But that is also the value of what science can and does teach us. So in this type of dicussion lack of knowledge could be a powerful wrong, that is why IMO one should be slow to condemn and more should be DONE to ask questions! Understanding is key, without it we just have barbs traded with no value.
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As for the cardio benefit I did a little reasearch:
This is excerpt from the Cleveland Heart Clinic on some of the ingredients in the aforementioned product: (In bold is spome of the ingredients in the product)
It is always more valuable in these arguments IMO to bring up fact versus fiction for hte knowledge of all.
ALso notmentioned is the the benefits of exercise on individuals with High Cholesterol etc., as well as the increases of HDL for some patients. Cholesterol is affected by both Food and Family so even if you eat right and do exercise correctly, with heridity playing a huge factor you may not see a derease in your cholsterol levels. So be prudent instead of argumentative.
D.G.
PS: I know people hate medication, so do I. But with the advances that are made, we are able to live longer and healthier lives. As for the comment on the advertising dollars being spent, the largest cost to Pharmaceutical companies is Research and Development to bring a product to market (and allthat goes with that), and a more true example is the samples that are provided to clinics of the products. That is where BILLIONS of dollars go each year, and provided to you the patient so the Dr. can one checkefficay of said product to litlte or no cost to you the patient. (That is the intent).
IS DTC (Direct to consumer) advertising wrong? I know soem docs don't like it, and some do. But how else would you also know or learn about different treatments? Not a bad idea IMO, but the downfall is people think they all of a sudden know more about thedrug beased onthat 30 second messagin than theprofessionals do and attemptto make judgements based on that. Then it becomes a downfall!
Truly no on any side, but if I were forced to pick one, I will err on the side of science any time, and I do not have a scientific mind! LOL!!
As for the cardio benefit I did a little reasearch:
This is excerpt from the Cleveland Heart Clinic on some of the ingredients in the aforementioned product: (In bold is spome of the ingredients in the product)
It is always more valuable in these arguments IMO to bring up fact versus fiction for hte knowledge of all.
ALso notmentioned is the the benefits of exercise on individuals with High Cholesterol etc., as well as the increases of HDL for some patients. Cholesterol is affected by both Food and Family so even if you eat right and do exercise correctly, with heridity playing a huge factor you may not see a derease in your cholsterol levels. So be prudent instead of argumentative.
D.G.
PS: I know people hate medication, so do I. But with the advances that are made, we are able to live longer and healthier lives. As for the comment on the advertising dollars being spent, the largest cost to Pharmaceutical companies is Research and Development to bring a product to market (and allthat goes with that), and a more true example is the samples that are provided to clinics of the products. That is where BILLIONS of dollars go each year, and provided to you the patient so the Dr. can one checkefficay of said product to litlte or no cost to you the patient. (That is the intent).
IS DTC (Direct to consumer) advertising wrong? I know soem docs don't like it, and some do. But how else would you also know or learn about different treatments? Not a bad idea IMO, but the downfall is people think they all of a sudden know more about thedrug beased onthat 30 second messagin than theprofessionals do and attemptto make judgements based on that. Then it becomes a downfall!
Truly no on any side, but if I were forced to pick one, I will err on the side of science any time, and I do not have a scientific mind! LOL!!
Dr. Freeze....why don't look into Reliv a little more before shooting it down! I don't like your comments and you're insulting my inteligence by saying I'm a "clown" for getting into Reliv products and expressing it to others! The company has been around for 16 yrs and has never come across anything you people are talking about to my knowledge. Of course you're against a product like this....you're a doctor. The facts and results are out there for anyone to look at about Reliv and I'm not saying this is the latest and greatest thing to take as you stated!!! I just knew I was going to get comments from people like you, but it goes along with it. It makes me laugh, but I don't understand why you would say comments like you said when you really don't know what Reliv is all about. You're assumptions are wrong....SHOW ME why Reliv products are so bad to take. You are OVERREACTING!! I know of a case where the patient had scleroderma and went to the MAYO clinic and was told he had six months to live by the doctors there. Shortly thereafter he was introduced to Reliv products and now three years later his health has much improved and he's still alive. Research these things for yourself before shooting it down! Our products are NATURAL and don't come with "WARNING" labels unlike pharmaceutical medicines! If I can be on something natural that doesn't cause brutal side effects compared to most medicines with warning labels and horrible side affects...you bet I'm going to be on that product and I'm sure many people would agree! Reliv products are considered "FOOD" for your body! If you want want an apple or a banana are your going to call the doctor each time to see if it's ok?? Anyway....I've said WAY too much to you about this. I have so many people thanking me for introducing these products to them everyday!! I do respect your opinions, but your assumptions are wrong on Reliv products!
Matt, you will always love to argue, for the sake of arguing.
I certainly don't think the medical field is a "lark", and don't think medicine, as a whole is. But, so many people, and you seem to be in this camp to some extent, think there is only one way to do something. I see my doctor as much as the next guy, and take the crap he suggests I take, but I often wonder about alternatives. That shouldn't be a crime.
Why take pills for the rest of your life, if you can drink some tea?
That is a very simplistic approach, but I am a layman! If there is no money in an herbal cure, we won't see it as widely as we will see commercials for expensive drugs.
I don't want to keep talking in circles so I will just say:
If there are alternatives to expensive medicine, that might even be better than the medicine, it should be criminal that we are not apprised of them, because big business might see a loss in the P/E reports.
I certainly don't think the medical field is a "lark", and don't think medicine, as a whole is. But, so many people, and you seem to be in this camp to some extent, think there is only one way to do something. I see my doctor as much as the next guy, and take the crap he suggests I take, but I often wonder about alternatives. That shouldn't be a crime.
Why take pills for the rest of your life, if you can drink some tea?
That is a very simplistic approach, but I am a layman! If there is no money in an herbal cure, we won't see it as widely as we will see commercials for expensive drugs.
I don't want to keep talking in circles so I will just say:
If there are alternatives to expensive medicine, that might even be better than the medicine, it should be criminal that we are not apprised of them, because big business might see a loss in the P/E reports.
