Reuters reporting all tax cuts extended 2 years, Unemployment extended for 13 months.

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We did just go through this, and i never got an answer to my question, other than you choosing to use different numbers than I used. My numbers showed a more accurate picture of the overall tax burden of the wealthy. This is EXACTLY the reason our tax system was established as a progressive tax system LONG ago (not recently), because the wealthy have different opportunities to make more money, in ways that are taxed much lower than income tax rates, and can benefit from many more tax benefits and deductions than the lower earners in the country.

There are different tax rates for different ways of making money. Now I could agree with you that everyone pays the same tax rate if ALL of their income, including income, investments, inheritances, ALL of it, were equally taxed, and there were NO DEDUCTIONS. But that's not the case, is it?

[How long will I wait for an answer to THAT question?] :0corn

So the answer, in my opinion, to your question is that yes it is fair that the wealthy pay more of the income tax burden, because they benefit from many more income opportunities and benefits that other lower tax payers don't and can't - and the other important reason is they benefit more from the system than those who do not make as much money.

"My" 18% figure is nothing more than reporting the actual tax rate for wealthy earners, from the I.R.S. I didn't make anything up. And I just explained why it makes sense that they should have a higher income tax rate - to make up for the additional money they are able to make at much lower tax rates - or avoiding tax responsibilities in creative ways that others cannot - like your moving money around to avoid paying tax, that others who cannot afford to invest cannot do.

Also, in looking at the amount of money made and paid out on - how much money does the bottom 50% manage to keep on a weekly basis, and how much does the top 10%, 25%, get to keep? You want to squeeze out more from the bottom earners that keep nothing of their money and most cannot make ends meet NOW?

Conservative values - priceless... :0074
 

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Also, in looking at the amount of money made and paid out on - how much money does the bottom 50% manage to keep on a weekly basis, and how much does the top 10%, 25%, get to keep? You want to squeeze out more from the bottom earners that keep nothing of their money and most cannot make ends meet NOW?

Conservative values - priceless... :0074
Exposing Dogs is becoming mundane and probably unecessary, Chad.

But no one does it better than you. ;)
 

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I just get frustrated with the generalities without dealing with all of the factors that play into situations. Rarely can anything be explained in a simple look, like everyone who makes a lot of money is productive, works hard, and employs a lot of people. I've known A LOT of people who do none of the above, and they have a very exclusive, proprietary personality that people owe them respect and some kind of due. I've known many that are those things and are worthy of those things. Some worked hard to get where they were, some didn't.

On the other hand, I've known a lot of people who didn't make much money, were incredibly productive, worked their ass off in more than one job, and made sure that a lot of people stayed employed because of what they did and how they acted on the job. And they didn't make shit for money. And they didn't have an exclusive, proprietary personality that people owed them respect and some kind of due.

Yes, there are plenty of deadbeats in the country. They come from all walks of life, with money and without. Being a deadbeat is more about personality than anything else, IMO. Not being born with or without money. But I do know - anyone else with a brain should know - that people being born into a good situation has a better chance to be productive and make real progress in this country. Being born into poverty and into a bad geographic area definitely makes it much more difficult to succeed and be the kind of "productive" person that conservatives preach about.
 

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But I do know - anyone else with a brain should know - that people being born into a good situation has a better chance to be productive and make real progress in this country. Being born into poverty and into a bad geographic area definitely makes it much more difficult to succeed and be the kind of "productive" person that conservatives preach about.

This goes back to something I brought up with some of my friends recently. Being born in the US as a white straight male without any mental or physical limitations is like hitting the lottery. Seriously, you can't get it any easier than that.
 

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This is true - white privilege is prevalent in so many ways that whites never consider and even get indignant about when it's mentioned. However, where you're born is a big deal, too, many whites are born in terribly depressed areas, and have a difficult time of it, too.
 

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I just get frustrated with the generalities without dealing with all of the factors that play into situations. Rarely can anything be explained in a simple look, like everyone who makes a lot of money is productive, works hard, and employs a lot of people. I've known A LOT of people who do none of the above, and they have a very exclusive, proprietary personality that people owe them respect and some kind of due. I've known many that are those things and are worthy of those things. Some worked hard to get where they were, some didn't.

On the other hand, I've known a lot of people who didn't make much money, were incredibly productive, worked their ass off in more than one job, and made sure that a lot of people stayed employed because of what they did and how they acted on the job. And they didn't make shit for money. And they didn't have an exclusive, proprietary personality that people owed them respect and some kind of due.

Yes, there are plenty of deadbeats in the country. They come from all walks of life, with money and without. Being a deadbeat is more about personality than anything else, IMO. Not being born with or without money. But I do know - anyone else with a brain should know - that people being born into a good situation has a better chance to be productive and make real progress in this country. Being born into poverty and into a bad geographic area definitely makes it much more difficult to succeed and be the kind of "productive" person that conservatives preach about.

Hmmmmmm...sounds like you don't think Bernie Maddoff deserves respect for making millions upon millions, but Joe Schmuck who spent a lifetime working at the municipal sewer plant, cleaning up Bernie's shit for ten bucks an hour and managed to put three children through college does deserve respect?

As doggie would say - "Fuck Schmuck. He needs to pay as much tax as Bernie. It's fair and it's The American Way!."

No wonder doggie hates your guts. :facepalm:
 

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This goes back to something I brought up with some of my friends recently. Being born in the US as a white straight male without any mental or physical limitations is like hitting the lottery. Seriously, you can't get it any easier than that.
Now you've done it Tramp. Dogs is gonna accuse you of playing the race card (if Skulnik doesn't beat him to it).

White privelege isn't likely to be acknowledged by someone who's entire outlook on socio-economics is based on the self-serving delusion that the underclass is holding the middle-class back and preventing guys like him from more easily climbing society's ladder.

Classic right-wing blame transference syndrome... :142smilie
 

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This goes back to something I brought up with some of my friends recently. Being born in the US as a white straight male without any mental or physical limitations is like hitting the lottery. Seriously, you can't get it any easier than that.

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Chad --getting back on track--I'm still looking for answer to simple question--let's try diff approach

--since you feel taxes are biased for the rich--how much more would raise the % each class pays-- Would top 1% paying half and top 25% paying 100% be enough :shrug:

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current tax %

top 1%
earn 19% of income and pay 37% of taxes

top 5%
make 33% of money and pay 57% of taxes

top 25% make 68% of money and pay 85% of taxes

Bottom 50%
make 13% of income and pay 3%
 

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This goes back to something I brought up with some of my friends recently. Being born in the US as a white straight male without any mental or physical limitations is like hitting the lottery. Seriously, you can't get it any easier than that.

The ole Whitey rant--eh :)

That would give credence to your "It not my fault--more taxes--more entitlements attitude.


Your a classic example--your race doesn't make you a fowl mouth dysfunctional--it's a path you chose.

The only limitations anyone has are self imposed-
 
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Chad --getting back on track--I'm still looking for answer to simple question--let's try diff approach

--since you feel taxes are biased for the rich--how much more would raise the % each class pays-- Would top 1% paying half and top 25% paying 100% be enough :shrug:

==========================
current tax %

top 1%
earn 19% of income and pay 37% of taxes

top 5%
make 33% of money and pay 57% of taxes

top 25% make 68% of money and pay 85% of taxes

Bottom 50%
make 13% of income and pay 3%

Here's the problem, doggie -


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And here's the solution -

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See what happened the last time we tried "trickle-down' in the 1920s?

Now, doggie, I'm going to give you a chance to explain how lowering tax rates for the richest is a good, job-creating thing.

When did we have the best job creation? Why, mercy me, it was in the period from WWII until the early 80s. And what were the top marginal tax rates then?

And what happened after Reagan's voodoo economics trickle down? Job creation went down the crapper.

So...how about you explain, doggie, how cutting taxes for the richest is a good thing. No political slogans or voodoo bullshit. Explain your theory using facts, doggie, FACTS

No answer from doggie? Of course not. :shrug:
 
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Chad --getting back on track--I'm still looking for answer to simple question--let's try diff approach

--since you feel taxes are biased for the rich--how much more would raise the % each class pays-- Would top 1% paying half and top 25% paying 100% be enough :shrug:

==========================
current tax %

top 1%
earn 19% of income and pay 37% of taxes

top 5%
make 33% of money and pay 57% of taxes

top 25% make 68% of money and pay 85% of taxes

Bottom 50%
make 13% of income and pay 3%

I didn't say that. Why can't you just discuss what I actually say, Wayne, and don't skew my words? I didn't say that taxes were skewed FOR the rich. Never have said that. I realize they pay more, and don't think they need to pay more. I think what they pay is fine, actually either the original tax rates before the cuts or after the cuts, if other things are dealt with.

I DO NOT AGREE with tax cuts for any group while we are at war, which we were when Bush enacted the cuts, as there is absolutely no acknowledgement or sacrifice by the majority of the country for the war. We should all sacrifice, and not benefit financially when our country is spending more because our leaders feel we need to be at war.

The reason I post this stuff is in response to YOU, continually complaining about how the rich and upper (whatever) percent are unfairly taxed. I show how our system needs to be progressive, which it is and always has been (to my memory), to adequately fund our way of life.

I've also said (which conservatives never agree to) that I could see a more flat or fair tax, if that is truly what it is for all types of income, inclusive of payroll income, inheritance and investment income. With no deductions for some to benefit and work the system.

How's that? I answered yet another one of your questions. I don't think we need to raise taxes on the rich, but while we're at war, I feel that returning all tax rates to where they were before Bush cut them at a time of war, as WAS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG, is fair. Stop the elective wars, cut costs across the board for government - and not selective areas that suit your individual political agenda, and we can cut taxes for everyone that pays them. Pretty simple, really, IMO.
 

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The only limitations anyone has are self imposed-
...said the white man who's mind is too closed to consider the obstacles people of other races and cultures encounter every single day of their life in a caucasion dominated society.

Now watch Dogs accuse me of race baiting for pointing out his bigotry.

Classic. :142smilie
 

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...said the white man who's mind is too closed to consider the obstacles people of other races and cultures encounter every single day of their life in a caucasion dominated society.

Now watch Dogs accuse me of race baiting for pointing out his bigotry.

Classic. :142smilie

It never ends. Maybe he'll show us that pic again with him and his black friends. :mj07:
 

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I cant help reading all this and from an outsider POV notice the white, straight,privileged quote.

You cant make this stuff up...:facepalm:
 

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I cant help reading all this and from an outsider POV notice the white, straight,privileged quote.

You cant make this stuff up...:facepalm:

Being the Indian lover that you are Rusty, i'm sure you have no idea what that quote really means.

Blaming minorities for your struggles is truly pathetic.
 

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This goes back to something I brought up with some of my friends recently. Being born in the US as a white straight male without any mental or physical limitations is like hitting the lottery. Seriously, you can't get it any easier than that.

:wtf: How can't this be interpreted as a racial statement!:facepalm:
 
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