RNC Day 1

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didn't Ronald Reagan once say "unless you can prove you made the country a better place, you have no business even running for a second term".

I don't see anything domestically in this country better, actually most everything worse.
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shamrock said:
didn't Ronald Reagan once say "unless you can prove you made the country a better place, you have no business even running for a second term".

I don't see anything domestically in this country better, actually most everything worse.
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STILL NOTHING ON THIS??

I doubt you'll get many retorts to that, Shamrock.
 

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economy is not going downhill like it was when bush took office....government is not the answer to the economy however....Reagan knows this, Clinton knows this, and Bush knows this....Kerry does not know this

what is government the solution to?
corporate crooks are being prosecuted

we are fighting back finally against terror

intelligence is getting revamped

are military is not positioned like it was to fight the cold war anymore

what else is the government supposed to do?
protect the borders....bush is slow on this but my guess is Kerry will be worse

keep the government out of my life other than provide protection and roads

Bush is doing that....

4 more years
 

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A man can dream. In my dream, Arnold is introduced to the crowd at the RNC and is given a standing ovation. He enters wearing a suit that is totally black on one side with white letters spelling out 'FLIP' and white on the other side of the suit with 'FLOP' spelled out in black letters.

In his speech he talks at length and with great passion about:

Bush Flips....Bush FLOPS ! He was against a Homeland Security Department. FLIP Then he was for it. FLOP He was against the McCain Feingold campaign finance bill. FLIP But then he was for it. FLIP-FLOP Bush said he was for free trade. FLIPPITY But then he put on steel tariffs. FLOP Then he was against the tariffs again. FLIPPITY FLOP Bush said the states should decide about gay marriage. FLIPPITY Then he was for changing the Constitution. FLIPPITY FLOP, OR IS IT FLOPPITY FLIP? Bush said he would put mandatory caps on Carbon Dioxide. FLOOPITY Then he said he wouldn’t. FLOOPPITY-FLEE Bush said he’d leave no child behind. FLOPITTY But refused to fund it, leaving millions of children behind. ........FLOPPITTY FLOP. Bush said he against an independent 9/11 commission. FLIIIIIIIIIIIIIP But then reluctantly agreed to one. FLOPPITY FLOOP Bush said we were going to war in Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein. FLIPPITY But when it turned out there weren’t any WMD’s, he said the war was to fight al Qaeda. FLIPPITY-FLOPPITY But then he admitted there was no evidence of ties between Saddam and al Qaeda. FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOOP So then he said the war was to bring Western style democracy to the entire Middle East. FLIPPITY-FLOOPITY-FLOP, FLOP FLOP FLOP FLOP He said he wouldn’t invade Iraq without a vote in the UN. FLIP But then he invaded without a vote. FLOPPITY FLOOP But now he wants to UN to save his butt. FLOPPITY FLOOP He said he was ushering in an era of personal responsibility. FLIPPITY But refuses to take responsibility for all his flip-flops.


Please Arnold please. Don't be such a little girly girl. Give them a speech they'll be talking about for the next 100 years. A man can dream.
 
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looks like auspice has memory problems


"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members .. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
 

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Freeze

I never realized all those people were running for president. Thanks. It completely answers all those other flip flops that Bush made. You da man.
 

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President Bush is taking the offensive against terrorism in order to prevent
another deadly attack here at home. The "Bush Doctrine" is a policy designed
to strike first at those who wish us harm and to pave the way for democracy
and freedom in the middle east. Whether you are a Republican a Democrat or
an Independent the fact remains that difficult decisions must be made and
that the immediate reults will not always be pretty.George Bush is a leader
who understands that the price of freedom is high and that a failure to act
agressively will result in the deaths of thousands of innocent people.

George Bush is a President who believes in fighting for our future and he
has the courage and conviction to do what is right.
 

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I don't see anything domestically in this country better, actually most everything worse.

How do you retort such a blanket statement? I'm not much into the political tyrades anymore. There used to be some pretty good duscussions on this board about it. I guess the election year has everyone's panties in a wad.

There are several items where we are domestically better (whether or not Bush has something to do with each), there are several items where we have made no progress (see above parenthesis), and unfortuantely there are several items where we are worse (ditto the ditto).

One of the big things mentioned in this thread is the fact that corporate scandal has been on the hot seat over the past several years. Even our VP's company is now being watched heavily. I would say that this is a pretty big step forward for the entire good of our country.

Unemployment: People love comparing the job market now to when Clinton was in office. The people that continue to bring this up scream ignorance on the subject. The outstanding job market during Clinton's term was all smoke and mirrors. I am not blaming Clinton for the bubble burst but to compare the numbers now is ludicrous (not the rapper).

My family is by no means in the wealthier portion of the country, but my taxes went down this past year.

This is a very interesting article with an attempt at explaining why Americans wages are not increasing at the rate that some people would like. Busines 2.0 I read this magazine every month, and it has never seemed biased (politically) either way to me. They have had several stories that are pretty damning on both sides.

Anyone could list out items where we are worse off from 4 years ago. But overall, I feel that we are in a better place now. I certainly feel that we will be in a better place 4 years from now with Bush in office rather than Kerry. Just my personal opinion.

But hey, Kerry and Edwards do have great hair! :scared
 

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dawg, I gather from your above statement that Bush is the reason so called corporate scandal is on the hot seat? Did you know Bush & Kenneth lay are personal friends, and have done business together multiple times. Do you know Bush hired 41 people from Enron that now have government employment? Further are you saying Bush is responsible for attempting to control the gross stealing of American Tax dollars by Cheney s former company? I can ashore you Bush isn't the one dropping the Dimes on Halliburton.

I realize the above statement is blanket, but should we comb over every economic indicator & statistic showing their downward tendencies?
 

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geez shamrock you personal feelings against the prez are clouding everything you say

who among us have no friends who are not accused of things?

i know lots of people who worked for Enron....are they all crooks?

get a grip dude....we are prosecuting the people who are crooks....

that is a good thing....

if half of what you alledge about Bush is true, then all these guys woudl be given a free ride....your allegations and insinuations are groundless and they are negated by what is going on and has been going on
 

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freeze, your probably a fantastic guy, I respect medical Residents greatly, its obvious we have differing opinions regarding the president. But my above statements are nothing "personal" nor "insinuations" or "groundless". They are factual, Bush & Lay are personal friends, 41 Enron employees, and not lower level, but extremely high management people that will be indicted were given government jobs. And lastly I'm quiet sure Bush wasn't personally blowing the whistle on Halliburton.
 
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Lots of things good on domestic front especialy after inheiting recession and 911 hit on economy--lowest interest rates and inflation in many years--largest amount of home owners-constant monthly increase in GNP in over a year,unemplyment at 5.6 the same as at end of Clintons 1st term.
Bottom line you can find faults and highs in ever administration but regardless of Clintons era or Bush or the next president you will always find one constant---those who succeed do so in all environments and those that don't will find excuse in same.

I think biggest thing Kerry has to overcome is disposition,he has facial expression of beaten man--ever since youth everyone has always asked him-"hey man,Why the long face?" :)
 

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dogs, I agree completely with your "those that succeed" philosophy, but sounds like your using 9-11 as a excuse for your guy Bush. Those are twisted numbers your using, taking figures from this spot and that. Overall the economic climate has been terrible during this administration, they have had no economic policy at all. You can't be disputed that?

I'll give you the long face comment, funny stuff

but honestly every time I look at gw, I swear its the dude on the cover of mad magazine when I was a kid.
 

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dogs that bark stop the whining

dogs that bark stop the whining

after inheriting recession. are u an alien.

clinton time was best economically in 40 yrs. bush steps in and ****s it all up.

what a moron. get your grade 6 yet
 

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Shamrock I really don't think Presidents have much to do with economys---I was just saying this economy is in very good shape despite what people say considering events in last 4 years--however as I have said prior I do not give Bush credit as low inflation and interest rates has help tremendously.I would give more credence to majorities in house and senate than pres on econmomics.It is shame both sides work against each other.
While many condem the no child left behind--I like it as instead of throwing money to programs impossible to succeed it puts the pressure on the students and teachers--and in my view it makes little diff how much money you put in program-if they are reluctants to learn it is to no avail.I might add on this note that Clinton had plan very similiar to it--however the Reb congress nixed it before it got out of gate.

I was not impressed with conventions theme on compassion last night.Appears to me it is inroad for more entitlement programs in leau of garnering votes---and I am already pissed at the medicare upgrade.If you want to be compassionate--help people help themselves not reward them for doing nothing.
Thought Oreilly had good view on same last night.
 

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shamrock--you say a lot of good things, but your emotions are clouding you these days. corporate scandal being brought to the forefront is a huge win for the future of this country, and it has happened during Bush's term. it is unfair to blame every bad aspect of our country on the current President, but give him zero credit for the positives. You are starting to sound like the right wingers when they talk about Clinton. :)
 

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Do you think any of these guys really give chit about the little folks. The middle class and down.
 

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I LOVE WR said:
after inheriting recession. are u an alien.

clinton time was best economically in 40 yrs. bush steps in and ****s it all up.

what a moron. get your grade 6 yet

You are the Alien here sir (Canada). The economy was on the way down at the end of Clinton's 2nd term, among other things, I have 401k statements that will back that up. Couple that with 9/11, which did a number on travel and tourism, and it is amazing the economy has rebounded as much as it has. Although I do tend to agree with others to a point, that the president gets too much credit when economy is good and too much blame when the economy is bad...
 
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