Scott - Arent you glad they got Davis & Jarrett?

[DR STRANGELOVE]

Remember

A degree from USC "clearly" holds a lot more weight than a degree from LSU. Therefore, you cannot compare an A or an F from USC to an A or an F from LSU.

"Clearly"

please elaborate

Scott,

it depends on what major/program one is studying

The above comment of yours tells me 1 of 3 things about you
1. you are/were misinformed and just didn't know any better
2. homer
3. you're stupid/ignorant

I hope for your sake that it's door #1

 

[bbk]

Well said Dr. The answer is D. all of the above

 

[THE KOD]

DR

I would have to go with bbk and say all of the above.

One thing about Scott4USC , if you let him talk enough he
really sticks his foot in deep.

KOD

 

[Scott4USC]

NAME ONE UNDERGRADUATE PROGRAM WHERE LSU IS RANKED AHEAD OF USC???

There might be one or few, but I doubt it. In fact, tell me the Undergraduate Programs at LSU that are ranked Nationally????

From the top of my head these are the following Undergraduate Schools at USC that are ranked nationally.....

USC has the #1 Film School
USC has a top 10 Business School
USC has top 10 Music School
USC has top 10 Accounting School

There might be few others.

BTW, USC was named College of the Year in 2000!

If anyone can show me where LSU is somewhat close academically to USC, I will be SHOCKED!!!!

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

NAME ONE UNDERGRADUATE PROGRAM WHERE LSU IS RANKED AHEAD OF USC???

There might be one or few, but I doubt it. In fact, tell me the Undergraduate Programs at LSU that are ranked Nationally????

From the top of my head these are the following Undergraduate Schools at USC that are ranked nationally.....

USC has the #1 Film School
USC has a top 10 Business School
USC has top 10 Music School
USC has top 10 Accounting School

There might be few others.

BTW, USC was named College of the Year in 2000!

If anyone can show me where LSU is somewhat close academically to USC, I will be SHOCKED!!!!

first thing Scott, what is your source?

If you look at the placement rates and the types of firms grads are placed at, that is a better indicator of a school's performance/ranking. There you will see a major difference. I would recommend using rankings as a guide instead of a ranking because it's your job opportunities that are the most important.

I'm a canadian law school student so i don't have any info to suggest that either or usc/lsu is better than usc/lsu. But to come out and say that a degree from USC (I'm assuming in any major/program) is better than an LSU degree is beyond idiocy.

Don't look at rankings, for all we know the school's could have donated $ to boost up their rankings, if any of these guides are legitimate to begin with. More often than not, rankings are based on surveys filled out by managers and HR directors of American companies (the industry). Not the "real" story if you ask me.


Be careful when you read those reports. I've read them before, and they definately have an "economics" slant to them.

Push further if you have to.

Admins, sorry for getting off topic here. I shall end my discussion and Scott we can take this to the GEN DISSC if needed. I leave it up to you.

 

[Scott4USC]

DR STRANGELOVE

Obviously some schools are better than others. Would you say that Harvard is better than LSU? And if so, what criteria did you use to make that decision on?

 

[marine]

I am hazarding a guess here and saying you are using the Princeton Review and US News & World Report Rankings for your data...

Scott-

1. The year 2000 was 4 years ago. Where USC ranked 4 years ago has no bearing on the statement you made present day.

2. You really stuck your foot in the pile of doo doo when you posted your almighty reference link and it is merely a snippet of an area of college that only a small single percent ever make it to. Didn't think I would catch that did you? Please be more precise with your facts.

3. I am going to go to Walden books this weekend and pick up the princeton review and the us news and world report and scower them for the answers to your rankings question.

4. USC has the number 1 Film SChool... I mean, I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that since it is in southern cali is the primary reason why here... hollywood.. california... blah blah blah... which you use as ammunition to show that a USC diploma is worth more than an LSU Diploma.

Can I then turn around, using your example and I am willing to bet that LSU has the #1 swamp biology program in the nation, obviously their diploma is worth more than USC?

You pride yourself on always, and only, ever stating nothing but the facts.
This hardly follows suit with your other 100% factual posts and statements.

Now I realize the slant you have on your side here, being a USC Student Body member... i am neither lsu nor usc, so i dont have clouded vision. But you have to remember that a lot of this is regional.. Yes, in California and even maybe the great desert of Arizona, a USC diploma might get you a lil better salary than a LSU degree.

Think the guy in Maine gives a sh*t if its LSU or USC on your diploma?

But I am going to scower the rankings this weekend and hopefully be able to report back in on Monday and show you how well USC stacks up both against LSU and Nationally.. since you have made claims before about how academically superior USC is to the other big name BSC teams.

 

[marine]

Interesting...

In 2002, Northwestern Univ was ranked #1 in Academics by the Princeton Review.

2002- Princeton Review
Top 20 Party Schools

1. Indiana University - Bloomington
2. Clemson University
3. University of Alabama-Tuscaloosa
4. Penn State University Park
5. University of Florida
6. SUNY at Buffalo
7. University of New Hampshire
8. University of Colorado, Boulder
9. Florida State University
10. University of Wisconsin-Madison
11. The University of Texas at Austin
12. Michigan State University
13. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
14. Louisiana State University
15. University of California-Santa Cruz
16. University of Tennessee
17. New York University
18. Ohio State University-Columbus
19. Virginia Tech
20. Tulane University

I see LSU pulling in at number 14... must be missing USC somewhere here...

 

[gman2]

Can I then turn around, using your example and I am willing to bet that LSU has the #1 swamp biology program in the nation, obviously their diploma is worth more than USC?

lmao. thats classic.

seriously though- scott this claim is not only preposterous but totally subjective, and it is way out of bounds when its in the ncaa football forum.

im not particularly interested in any "published rankings" because those are nonsense anyways.

to say that mike williams has a tougher time academically than he would at lsu is flat out stupid and you should know better.

its not even worth arguing

 

[marine]

According to the website: www.studentsreview.com

Go here for the comparison of LSU and USC


to highlight some of the things I found

When asked if things were going well for grads, 100 % of LSU thought things were going well, vice 50% of USC grads

Even more glaring is the job satisfaction catergory with 94.4% of LSU grads satisfied and 61.1% of USC grads satisfied.

LSU beat out USC in every catergory of the polls for extra curriculars, academics,
and the dynamic overall score of
LSU 26.8 and
USC 21.8


Guys, don't you just hate it when someone provides "facts from the web" from some obscure site that is very arbitrary? You'd think that with such a huge ability to tamper with data that they could go back in time and make a football conference look to be a lot tougher than it really is, and make it sound legitimate!

 

[Scott4USC]

marine

But I am going to scower the rankings this weekend and hopefully be able to report back in on Monday and show you how well USC stacks up both against LSU and Nationally.. since you have made claims before about how academically superior USC is to the other big name BSC teams.

Please do that and thanks for volunteering to do that. I am very interested in what you report back. Thanks again. When you do look up the stats, see where all the top BCS teams are academically. I would bet USC is at the top or very near the top along with Michigan.

marine, gman2, DR STRANGELOVE

Obviously some schools are better than others. Would you say that Harvard is better than LSU? And if so, what criteria did you use to make that decision on?

marine

Your source from student reviews is opinions. The site you were trying to refer that I used was not opinions but based on FACTS! I wish you would have found and posted a link to a more credible site.

Who cares if USC is not on the list of top 20 party schools. Try find a list where LSU is ahead of USC academically. I would LOVE to see it. I am not saying LSU is not stronger in some areas than USC, but USC has LSU beat in every major academic program. USC is a top 30 Academic School. That is something to be proud about.

Another question for everybody. How come it is much easier for high school students to get into LSU academically???? How come it is easier for "athletes" to get accepted into LSU????? Just curious. :shrug:

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

Obviously some schools are better than others. Would you say that Harvard is better than LSU? And if so, what criteria did you use to make that decision on?

It all depends on what program you're referring to.
Off the top of my head, I would say harvard is superior in the fields of law and business, but that doesn't guarantee that X student who had the lowest grade in his class will have a higher paying salary than the top student of LSU's law program.

but remember Scott, you SAID "A degree from USC "clearly" holds a lot more weight than a degree from LSU. Therefore, you cannot compare an A or an F from USC to an A or an F from LSU"

So correct me if I am wrong here, but you're saying that the student who graduated from USC with the lowest grade point average in his/her X class is in a "better" position to get a better job/salary than a student who came in the top of his/her class at LSU???
Please say it ain't so Scott.

Scott, how can you say that no matter what program of study, a USC student is superior to a LSU student?

You are making a generalization. You can't compare a "school" to its "students". That logic is flawed.

I previously said that i was done with it but I just wanted to clarify a few points that i thik your trying to make here. I see where you're coming from, but you have to be a bit more specific with your statement.
Now I'm done.

Cheers

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

Another question for everybody. How come it is much easier for high school students to get into LSU academically???? How come it is easier for "athletes" to get accepted into LSU????? Just curious. :shrug:

simple, supply
look at the population around USC and look at the population around LSU. Granted not every student is from the local area, but I would estimate that a majority are. I'm sure that there are many more applicants to USC undergrad than LSU, hence the stiffer competition.

 

[marine]

USC is a private school
LSU is a public school.


and scott, your precious Princeton review is based completely on opinions as well... you know that right?

they poll 1 million students and take their rankings about their college and put it all together... not exactly the most scientific method....

 

[Scott4USC]

DR STRANGELOVE

The student at USC with the highest GPA could very well earn less $$$ than the student at LSU with the lowest GPA. You could graduate from a crappy 4-year school and be successful (not implying LSU is crappy). This argument is not about how succussful you are or not. All I said is a degree from USC carries more weight than a degree from LSU. If you put each degreee right up next to each other, graduating from USC clearly is more impressive. Just like if you compare Harvard degree with an LSU degree. Harvard is more impressive. If you compare Harvard degree with a USC degreee, a Harvard degree is more impressive. Get it????

If you cannot understand this you are hopeless. Like it or not, Universities are ranked and degrees from Universities carry more/less weight than others. If I am being recruited by a company in NY and I am competing with a Harvard grad, I have a tough hill to climb. If I am competing with say, an LSU grad, I will have the advantage because my degree carries more weight. Does not guarantee me the job or not but gives me the advantage.

DR STRANGELOVE
I was not happy with your answer to my question about why it is easier for students to get into LSU and for athletes as well. I will be more specific. This is one of the big reasons that allow a degree from a University to carry more weight over other Universities. USC is getting the same caliber students that go to Stanford, Harvard, Yale. LSU is not.

Why is the average GPA and SAT score for freshman entering LSU not only lower, but MUCH lower than USC??? I can bring in the stats but it will be embarrassing to compare USC vs LSU.

Lets take it a step further. USC is a very top notch academic University, and for the admission for "student-athletes" USC has set a HIGHER MIN. REQUIRMENT for athletes to get into USC than the NCAA MIN. LSU does not and accepts athletes at the NCAA MIN. REQUIREMENT. Why does Stanford, ND, Boston College, UCLA, CAL, USC, Northwesterm, Michigan etc... all top notch respected academic Universities have a higher min. requirement for entrance than the NCAA Min. requirement for student athletes???? Answer that one buddy.

If anyone here can find anything that supports LSU academically ahead of USC, I would like to see it.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Will someone ban this clown already? I mean he has turned the COLLEGE FOOTBALL FORUM into a debate about academic superiority.

How do you live with yourself everyday knowing you are obsessed with this my dick is bigger then yours way of thinking?

 

[Scott4USC]

I guess you can add USC School of Engineering as one of the best in the nation as well. I think it might have already been rated nationally.

Lexo just Donated $52,000,000 to the USC School of Engineering.

The donation will enhance USC's effort to be considered among the nation's top engineering schools such as Caltech, Stanford, MIT and UC Berkeley.

Did you all know USC is the #1 University in the country receiving
private donations? Beat out Harvard who was #2.

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

Scott I could care less about the us schools (I'm a :canada1 )

Nationally USC may have a better "reputation", but to say that any student who earns/earned a USC degree holds more weight than any student with a Lsu, nyu, buffalo, or even tim buck too degree is ludicrous. Don't you get it?????????????????????????
How much $ does the USC alumni association pay you to advertise their school?