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[Scott4USC]

Stuman rudely wrote....

Just shows how LITTLE you know about the SEC. (But then again, how could you know anything about other conferences when you spend so much time worshiping USC/PAC10?) That statement is flat out WRONG! I can tell you without any research that Ole Miss has won the SEC conference six times, as well as three national championships!

Stuman, I am sorry but I am going to have to call you out on claiming MISSISSIPPI winning 3 National Championships. :nono:

The AP and Coaches Poll are 2 of the most recognized polls for crowning the National Champion. Both polls have Ole Miss winning ZERO National Championships.

1936-2003 AP POLL

http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/history/APpolls.txt

Past Final Coaches' polls (UPI 1950-1990, CNN/USA Today 1991-present)

http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~dwilson/rsfc/history/CoachPolls.txt

These "major" polls also have Ole Miss winning ZERO National Championships.

UP: 1950 thru 1957

UPI: 1958 thru 1990

USA Today / CNN:1991 thru 1996

USA Today / ESPN: 1997 thru Current

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/nchamps_team.php

Ole Miss has ZERO recognized National Championships.

Recognized National Championships by Team
Sorted by Number
Team No
Yale (CT)
18
Princeton (NJ)
15
Notre Dame (IN)
11
Alabama
10
Harvard (MA)
8
Southern California
8
Oklahoma
7
Minnesota
6
Miami (FL)
5
Michigan
5
Nebraska
5
Ohio St.
5
Pennsylvania
4
Pittsburgh (PA)
4
Army (NY)
3
Cornell (NY)
3
Georgia Tech
3
Illinois
3
Texas
3
California
2
Florida St.
2
Louisiana St.
2
Michigan St.
2
Penn St.
2
Tennessee
2
Auburn (AL)
1
Brigham Young (UT)
1
Chicago (IL)
1
Clemson (SC)
1
Colorado
1
Florida
1
Georgia
1
Maryland
1
Stanford (CA)
1
Syracuse (NY)
1
Texas A&M
1
Texas Christian
1
UCLA
1
Washington
1

http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/national_championships/index.php

Now people will hate me for being right and pointing out an error. All of you are hilarious. I am not making fun of Stuman. I am correcting him. This post might hurt Stuman since he is an Ole Miss fan and now he learns Ole Miss has ZERO recognized National Championships and zero major polls have Ole Miss ever winning one. (much less then the 3 he claims) I'll reply later to the rest of your well written post. Please do not look at this as an attack. Although you were rude to me.

 

[Scott4USC]

Kdogg21

Your post was interesting to read but you did not provide a link. You also should have stated it more clearly. NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. In this thread we were talking about Conference Championships. In addition, you lose credibility for editing your post and putting Ole Miss with 3 NC?s. You took Stumans word for it and editied in wrong information. You should have provided a link. Now your post looks ridiculous.

 

[Kdogg21]

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_football_past_champs.html

 

[Kdogg21]

yea stuman you f*cked it all up now!!!!

now i have to go back and edit it again, how dare you, im busy picking out winning horses you make me go and do this.

keep up the great work though stuman, you are more valuable to this forum than lucas is though

 

[bbk]

I agree Stuman your posts are great keep them comin

 

[Stuman]

Look at the link that kdogg provided just above. Look at the years [1959, 1960 and 1962]. You will see [Mississippi]. Scott, Mississippi = Ole Miss, not sure if you knew that...

And remember, what is deemed "recognized" at this point in time is not necessarily what was "recognized" back in those times.

Scott, you idiot! Open mouth, insert foot! My info was taken from an Ole Miss media guide, not some website that doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[Scott4USC]

Stuman

I find it funny that the SEC Official Website does not recognize Ole Miss winning 3 National Championships. They have Ole Miss winning 1 in 1960 and it was an FWAA.

SEC Football All-Time National Champions

Year Team Poll
1951 Tennessee AP, UPI
1957 Auburn AP
1958 LSU AP, UPI
1960 Ole Miss FWAA
1961 Alabama AP, UPI
1964 Alabama AP, UPI
1965 Alabama AP, FWAA
1973 Alabama UPI
1978 Alabama AP, FWAA
1979 Alabama AP, UPI, FWAA
1980 Georgia AP, UPI, FWAA
1992 Alabama AP, UPI, USA Today, FWAA
1996 Florida AP, USA Today, FWAA
1998 Tenneseee AP, USA Today, FWAA
2003 LSU USA Today

http://www.secsports.com/index.php?well_id=2&url_publish_channel_id=3070

AGAIN, Ole Miss has never won a National Championship from a major poll. Ole Miss is NOT recognized for winning ANY National Championships!

Look at the link that kdogg provided just above. Look at the years [1959, 1960 and 1962].

By that definition, USC has won 14 National Titles. GET REAL STUMAN. USC is recognized as winning 9 National Titles, all from major polls. USC fans do not even count the other 5 because they are meaningless compared to the major polls. Just like those 3 you are claiming for OLE MISS. That is pathetic if your claiming Ole Miss has won 3 National Titles. :nono:
TOTALLY ABSURD!

And remember, what is deemed "recognized" at this point in time is not necessarily what was "recognized" back in those times.

OLE MISS NEVER WAS EVEN RANKED #1 in the country. :lol:
1959 AP #2 Coaches #2 (nice NC :lol:
1960 AP #2 Coaches #3 (nice NC :lol:
1962 AP #3 Coaches #3 (nice NC :lol: USC #1 both polls!

Complete JOKE Stuman. You have to be in the huge minority to recognize your school winning 3 legitimate National Championships. I do know one thing for a fact. ZERO major polls have recognized Ole Miss as National Champions. ZERO.

Scott, you idiot! Open mouth, insert foot! My info was taken from an Ole Miss media guide, not some website that doesn't tell the whole story.

How naive are you? :shrug:

1962 you won this award (not NC)
Litkenhous (1934-84), a difference-by-score formula developed by Edward E. Litkenhous, a professor of chemical engineering at Vanderbilt, and his brother, Frank.

Is that what your claiming is a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP? :lol:

Give me a break Stuman. Your smarter than this. Maybe not. You did call me an idiot.

Another thing. You bragging about 6 SEC titles for Ole Miss. Are you not aware that the last time OLE MISS won an SEC title was 1963!!!!!!! 41 freaking years ago. SEC has 4-5 teams that are CRAP! Easy W's for the top ranked SEC teams. 9 out of 10 Pac 10 teams have won a Conference Championship in the last 10 years. NO EASY W's.

 

[bbk]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU STUMAN; scott has no idea what he is talking about. Please stop it scott :nono:

 

[Mr Hockey]

Thank you Scott for proving how stupid you are. I bet if USC was listed as being recognized as a national championship winner by one of these "non major" polls to you, your opinion would be different.

The official NCAA site has Mississippi winning 3 national titles. Who do you think you are to disagree with the FACTS listed?

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

Thank you Scott for proving how stupid you are. I bet if USC was listed as being recognized as a national championship winner by one of these "non major" polls to you, your opinion would be different.

HOW DENSE ARE YOU? You have the nerve to call me stupid? I said if we are counting these NC's that STUMAN is, then USC would have 14 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. USC fans only recognize 9 National Championships for USC. 5 of those are non major polls. USC has won 9 legitimate National Championships. I have no idea what level your reading comprehension is but it is pretty bad. On top of that you call me stupid?

The official NCAA site has Mississippi winning 3 national titles. Who do you think you are to disagree with the FACTS listed?

I never disagreed with it. There you go again making yourself look foolish. I said OLE MISS NEVER WON A NC FROM A MAJOR POLL. THE SAME POLLS EVERYONE USES TO DETERMINE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. OLE MISS HAS NEVER FINISHED A SEASON RANKED #1. NEVER! This would be like LSU winning the AP and the BCS National Championship and USC getting a bogus NC like the ones Stuman are proclaiming. WOULD YOU ALL RECOGNIZE USC WINNING A NC THIS LAST SEASON IF LSU FINISHED #1 in both polls? These are the same polls that existed back then. Give me a break guys. You people really really are dense if you disagree with me on this issue. I would bet everything i own that NONE of you would recognize USC as a NC if USC did not finish #1 in either poll. I would not recognize USC as NC is USC finished 2nd in both the AP and Coaches. I do not recognize 5 of USC NC Trophies. Just like OU, Nebraska, Michigan, etc. don't. You people are something else. :nono:

 

[Mr Hockey]

Who cares what you or any other fans recognize as national championships. The FACTS are listed on the site. If USC won 14 national titles then in my eyes they won 14 national titles! I'm not debating that regardless of team.

Maybe you will tell me some more about USC having a more impressive home winning streak, lmfao.

 

[Scott4USC]

Mr Hockey

Ok, then you do not share the same viewpoints as majority of the fans in the country.

 

[Stuman]

Stop trying to discreetly shift this into a pissing match over exactly how good the Ole Miss FB program has been in the past. I NEVER claimed Ole Miss finished # 1 in a "Major Poll". I never made any statements similar to "Ole Miss being a blue chip program in the past". Your counter-points absolutely reek of the sentiment that I did, and so now you want compare Ole Miss' football history to USC's? How f-cking lame! This has nothing to do with USC or any other team, it has everything to do with your stupid assumptions about the weaker SEC teams.

My only point was to call you out on this idiotic statement:

When has KU, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy or S Carolina won the conf.? Never?????

(If your definition of "never" is 10 years, well I guess you are right.)

So you counter the argument by attacking Ole Miss' program to show how they have underacheived over the years compared to USC? Good job! Your previous post did NOTHING but attack the validity of Ole Miss, rather than admitting you made a bad assumption. Be a man, for a change.

I know what your problem is. You are one of those guys who is only a fan in the glory years. You can't comprehend the idea of me being and Ole Miss fan even though they havn't competed on the national level in many years. (this year was an exception, to some degree) You simply can't fathom that. So, you counter my points by pointing out how bad Ole Miss sucks!

Then again, I sort of expected that type of reaction from you.

 

[phin8181]

...Stuman...the guy is a lost cause and not worth your effort...he absolutely thrives on counter statements from his adversaries in order to make himself feel worthwhile in this world.....if USC were to fall off the planet....so would he...because he has nothing else to live for .....bottom line.......:violin:


...hate to point out the simple truths....

 

[bbk]

Phin
I completely agree. Scott is a waste of everyone's time is almost comical. D :tongue :tongue

 

[phin8181]

...bbk..thanks...it truly is a sad sad state of affairs.... ...is it not :nooo:

 

[Stuman]

You are right, III. For some reason, I keep thinking maybe someone will get through to him. Not sure why...:shrug:

 

[phin8181]

.it's like a dying patient on the gurney.....no electricity will help....

 

[Scott4USC]

Stuman

Your last post did not make a whole lot of sense. You stated Ole Miss won 3 National Championships and I simply replied saying NO they did not and here is why. I not onced compared Ole Miss to USC, it just happened that in 1962 USC won a NC the same year you are claiming Ole Miss did. That is why I mentioned USC there. The other time I mentioned USC as an example. I claim USC has won 9 National Championships. If you claim Ole Miss has won 3, then I should claim USC has won 14 using the same criteria as you. That is wrong, and USC has won 9 and Ole Miss has won zero. Get it? That is why I brought up USC. NOT COMPARING SCHOOLS. I have no idea why you thought that.

My only point was to call you out on this idiotic statement: "When has KU, MSU, Ole Miss, Vandy or S Carolina won the conf.? Never?????"

That was not an idiotic statement. Did you not see the ????? there? I simply asked a question. I was born 1981, and I am familiar with college football history but no way I can remember the last time those SEC teams won their conference. For example it was 41 freaking years ago when Ole Miss won the SEC.

Why did I say that? I said that because I was comparing how 9/10 pac 10 teams in the last 10 years have won the conference. That clearly shows how much tougher the Pac 10 is from top to bottom. Was that a bad example to use? :shrug: Come on people. Geesh.

You are one of those guys who is only a fan in the glory years.

Not exactly. I am 23 years old so I have seen the worst years in USC's storied football history. I think that makes me an even more respectable fan because I supported USC without experiencing National Championships.

So, you counter my points by pointing out how bad Ole Miss sucks!

I never said OLE MISS sucks. I never meant to imply that. It looks like Ole Miss wan an awesome program in the late 50's and early 60's. What I implied was that Ole Miss never won a National Championship. You simply misunderstood my post. I did not say anything about Ole Miss sucking as a program. I would be interested to know why Ole Miss did not continue being an elite program after the 60's?? Probation? New Coach?

For some reason, I keep thinking maybe someone will get through to him. Not sure why...

Please tell me what you or anyone is/was trying to get through to me. Please tell me. I really have no idea why so many people attack me personally or make comments about me personally but never attack the information in front of them. The info I put in front of you is mostly objective facts and I provide links to show it is documented. Yet people would rather talk about me as a person rather than the info.

For example, look at the last 5 posts in this thread. All were about me and not about college football. It is ridiculous but I guess they have no choice and rather attack than use their brain and participate in a discussion.

I have no problem with people agreeing or disagreeing with me as long as you can be intelligent about it. Instead of being immature and make personal attacks, try attacking with INFORMATION like I do. If you disagree with what I say, that is cool, simply say why you disagree and explain why you feel your opinion is correct. It is funny how I was attacked for having the opinion of USC winning streak being more respectable than Ohio St. I said my opinion and then supported it with 3-5 valid reasons. You do not have to agree with me. But why make the personal attacks for forming an opinion and having support behind it? Makes no sense and makes you look foolish. This post is not all about you Stuman but about everyone in general who would rather attack me personally (which does not affect me) instead of participating in a discussion. This is a college football forum, so why are people using a whole post just to personally attack me or comment on me? DO I deserve that kind of attention? Why not just talk football and if you truly hate me, IGNORE ME! Please ignore me, I do not mind.

I enjoy debating with you Stuman you seem intelligent. I did not care for your rude attacks towards me. They were not necessary even if you disagree with what I said or even if my info is somehow incorrect. I hope you can respect me as I respect you as a poster. And once again I was not showing any disrespect for your program. I was merely pointing that Ole Miss should not claim 3 National Championships since majority of the Universities, Media, and fans do not recognize those championships. Why are they there? Because there is no playoff system and they have the right to claim whoever they want even though it is meaningless.

 

[Stuman]

I said that because I was comparing how 9/10 pac 10 teams in the last 10 years have won the conference. That clearly shows how much tougher the Pac 10 is from top to bottom. Was that a bad example to use? Come on people. Geesh.

Not true. That statement shows pairity, nothing more, nothing less. Does that statement mean the PAC10 is tough? No. Does that statement mean the PAC10 is weak? No. It simply shows that PAC10 members are close to equal. (except for USC, obviously) There are no dynasty teams in the NFL anymore. Does that mean the NFL is "tougher from top to bottom"? I think you know the correct answer to this...

I was born 1981, and I am familiar with college football history but no way I can remember the last time those SEC teams won their conference.

You cannot apply todays clear-cut method of declaring the NC to teams from years ago. Take this year for example. You feel like your AP championship is legit, right? There has been tons of debate this year (we are all guilty of it :nooo: ) over which is the true NC. Years ago this arguement occured every year. There were split NC (more than two) almost every year. And no, the AP and coaches poll were not the "most recognized". There were many polls that gained plenty of recognition. (NC recognition was more of a "regional" issue) So simply looking over old stats and applying todays NC standards is absurd. You are a young man Scott, so you most likely have never known college FB without the BCS. Declaring the NC in today's times is much more standardized. (except for this year, I look for BCS tweaks to come) So for you to discredit any of Ole Miss' championships is really showing your "young" knowledge of college FB. Be proud of your 14 titles.