Funniest line of the fight was when the three announcers were talking about possible matchiups because of the merge. Gus Johnson said he would love to see Silva against Cung Lee :0002 :mj07: :mj07: :mj07: I would love to see it to and especially if it is anywhere close to Silva being a two to one favorite. Id take 6 to 1.
StrikeForce: "Daley vs. A.M.", April 9th, San Diego, California
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Last night I thought mousasi took the first round for some reason, but watching it again today it was definitely 10-8.
Jardine came out and controlled the octagon with his flailing at air, scored a cheesy takedown, then scored a proper takedown and controlled him. He got rocked with a combo but then came back with a takedown and a knee. He controlled pretty much the whole round :shrug:
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From mmafighting.com:
"Judge Abe Belardo gave Jardine round 2 and Mousasi rounds 1 & 3.
If Belardo scored Rd 2 for Mousasi, he would've won a majority decision. In that round, he outlanded Jardine 45-20 overall & 15-4 power shots."
http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2515
"Judge Abe Belardo gave Jardine round 2 and Mousasi rounds 1 & 3.
If Belardo scored Rd 2 for Mousasi, he would've won a majority decision. In that round, he outlanded Jardine 45-20 overall & 15-4 power shots."
http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=2515
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Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Daley Results - Bad Scoring and Misplaced Expectations Ruin Jardine vs. Mousasi
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/1...az-vs-daley-results-bad-scoring-and-misplaced
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/4/1...az-vs-daley-results-bad-scoring-and-misplaced
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I think this is a little exaggerated...
Last night when I watched the fight I switched the stream to boxing before the decsion because I figured it was a foregone conclusion that mousasi would win.
But they have to score it on "striking, grappling and octagon control" and jardine clearly controlled the grappling, and imo the octagon control as well. He came out swinging on him, scored some kicks and 4 takedowns. Plus with mousasi's non chalant attitude and the fact he was on his back 4 times its hard to give him octagon control in that round.
He tagged jardine with some combos but is that enough to neutralize the other two factors? Plus jardine scored in the stand up with leg kicks and a big knee in that round :shrug:
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When did we ever see a guy get 4 takedowns in a round and lose it? I don't like it either especially when they don't do shit when they get the takedown but anyone scoring that round for mousasi is crazy when we see how important these silly takedowns are. Mousasi doesn't have anyone to blame but himself. How do u get taken down like that by Jardine? Especially the way u lost to king Mo. I think i heard he didn't expect takedowns from Jardine. Well, shithead he took the fight with 12 days left. Who the fuk were u training for before that?
this argument is an old one but judges are too hesitant to hand out anything other than 10-9 rounds. when fights are only 3 rounds more use of 10-8 and 10-7 is warranted.
if a fighter dominates an opponent in 1 round to a greater extent than the other fighter won the other 2 rounds collectively than he should get the decision, but that pretty much never happens.
there are really so many ways to criticize the judges for this fight, but i'll let the unified rules and fightmetric make my point.
2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
round 3 according to fightmetric was 58-3 for gegard's striking and 3/4 for takedowns. that classifies as 10-8 at least. that said i recognize fightmetric isn't perfect but round 3 was a domination to any non-retarded observer.
if a fighter dominates an opponent in 1 round to a greater extent than the other fighter won the other 2 rounds collectively than he should get the decision, but that pretty much never happens.
there are really so many ways to criticize the judges for this fight, but i'll let the unified rules and fightmetric make my point.
2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes, grappling and other maneuvers;
3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
round 3 according to fightmetric was 58-3 for gegard's striking and 3/4 for takedowns. that classifies as 10-8 at least. that said i recognize fightmetric isn't perfect but round 3 was a domination to any non-retarded observer.
fightmeric..punchstat...you can throw em all in the ocean,imo....i`ve seen punchstat be so far off it was laughable...
but theres so much going on in mma...wrestling/subs/aggression/takedowns/striking with hands,feet,elbows,knees/takedown defense/scrambles/clinch control.........those automated systems are bogus.....
they need to move to a pride-type scoring system....the 10 pt must might work in boxing where clean punching and ring generalship are easier to score...
but in mma,if you have scenarios where you have a very even round...then a round in which a guy controls another guy on the mat for most of a round...then a 3rd round in which the other guy puts a beating on the grappler and does real damage...
in pride,they can give the fight to the guy that inflicts real damage by judging the fight as a whole....in the 10 pt must,you basically have a draw because of the scoring parameters.....
imo,giving out 10-8 rounds like candy would be a very bad idea in a 3 round fight...and point deductions should be reserved for only the most egregious,repeated fouls.... it`s only a 3 round fight..
but,you`re still left with incompetent judges that are assigned by the local commission....
don`t know how they`ll ever get around the political aspect of commissions appointing crappy/crony judges...:shrug: .
but theres so much going on in mma...wrestling/subs/aggression/takedowns/striking with hands,feet,elbows,knees/takedown defense/scrambles/clinch control.........those automated systems are bogus.....
they need to move to a pride-type scoring system....the 10 pt must might work in boxing where clean punching and ring generalship are easier to score...
but in mma,if you have scenarios where you have a very even round...then a round in which a guy controls another guy on the mat for most of a round...then a 3rd round in which the other guy puts a beating on the grappler and does real damage...
in pride,they can give the fight to the guy that inflicts real damage by judging the fight as a whole....in the 10 pt must,you basically have a draw because of the scoring parameters.....
imo,giving out 10-8 rounds like candy would be a very bad idea in a 3 round fight...and point deductions should be reserved for only the most egregious,repeated fouls.... it`s only a 3 round fight..
but,you`re still left with incompetent judges that are assigned by the local commission....
don`t know how they`ll ever get around the political aspect of commissions appointing crappy/crony judges...:shrug: .
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i think 3 5 minute rounds was a mistake when making the rules. if i'm not mistaken the idea was that 3 minutes wasn't enough time to give a grappler a chance to get a take down and to secure a submission so they went with 5 minutes. i doubt they looked a how subs are distributed over a several minute period and found 5 minutes was optimal to give grapplers a chance.
3 rounds make's judging errors magnified.
and ironically judges likely don't treat rounds as independent units. if they did they would score more 10-8 rounds. as it stands they likely are hesitant to score 10-8 rounds for fear that the fighter losing the round will have less ability to win the fight. that doesn't make sense. each round should be judged independently. each round should be viewed as it's own fight. the unified rules say nothing about judging rounds in a relativistic manner.
judges need to know what a 10-10, 10-9, 10-8, 10-7 etc round looks like and apply them where appropriate regardless of what the final score will be or whether it puts a fighter in a deep hole that he probably can't escape.
i rewatched rd 3 a few times. my numbers are no doubt off, but i think they're reasonably close.
gegard's offense:
4 punches
4 elbows while defending a takedown
a takedown coupled with a guillotine choke
followed by another takedown with a guard pass that lasted 40 seconds along with 14 strikes from gnp
6 punches in the standup
a td that lasted 1:15 with 7 strikes from gnp
for a total of 35 strikes
3 takedowns totaling 1:55 min on the ground
and a guillotine choke
keith's offense:
1 kick
1 punch
armbar attempt
failed takedown
gegard's offense:
4 punches
4 elbows while defending a takedown
a takedown coupled with a guillotine choke
followed by another takedown with a guard pass that lasted 40 seconds along with 14 strikes from gnp
6 punches in the standup
a td that lasted 1:15 with 7 strikes from gnp
for a total of 35 strikes
3 takedowns totaling 1:55 min on the ground
and a guillotine choke
keith's offense:
1 kick
1 punch
armbar attempt
failed takedown
I know I may sound crazy but I've come to the point where I don't think take downs should be counted as anything. The point of a td should be to inflict damage on the ground by GnP, subs or whatever the fighter wants. IMO counting TDs as a major scoring factor is like giving a football team points for moving the ball but not getting any points. What good is it if you don't do any damage when you're there. It shouldn't count for anymore than one fighter getting another against the cage. It shouldn't count anymore than someone attempting a sub but not getting it. It's a wrestler or BJJ guys chance to get a fight to a place where he can do his job, if he does it or not is up to him at that point but not doing anything while he's down doesn't mean he should get points. What if Anderson Silva got Rich Franklin in a Thai clinch and controlled him for 30 seconds but never used his knees to the mid section or face, should he get points?
There is nothing more sickening then watching ur fighter winning and then at the end of a round a takedown gives the other guy the round :facepalm:
