Taliban Taking Over in Afghanistan

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20 years we spent there. Could have spent another 5 or 10. This would always be the result. What a waste.

[FONT=&quot]Commanders knew that the afflictions of the Afghan forces had never been cured: the deep corruption, the failure by the government to pay many Afghan soldiers and police officers for months, the defections, the soldiers sent to the front without adequate food and water, let alone arms. In the past several days, the Afghan forces have steadily collapsed as they battled to defend ever-shrinking territory, losing Mazar-e-Sharif, the country's economic engine, to the Taliban Saturday.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Biden?s aides say that the persistence of those problems reinforced his belief that the United States could not prop up the Afghan government and military in perpetuity. In Oval Office meetings this spring, he told aides that staying another year, or even five, would not make a substantial difference and was not worth the risks.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In the end, an Afghan force that did not believe in itself and a U.S. effort that Biden, and most Americans, no longer believed would alter the course of events combined to bring an ignoble close to America?s longest war. The United States kept forces in Afghanistan far longer than the British did in the 19th century, and twice as long as the Soviets ? with roughly the same results.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For Biden, the last of four U.S. presidents to face painful choices in Afghanistan but the first to get out, the debate about a final withdrawal and the miscalculations over how to execute it began the moment he took office.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Under former President Donald Trump, ?we were one tweet away from complete, precipitous withdrawal,? said Douglas Lute, a retired general who directed Afghan strategy at the National Security Council for Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama. ?Under Biden, it was clear to everyone who knew him, who saw him pressing for a vastly reduced force more than a decade ago, that he was determined to end U.S. military involvement,? he added, ?but the Pentagon believed its own narrative that we would stay forever.?[/FONT]
 

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As this gentleman points out, after 20 years and a trillion US dollars, it took the Taliban one week to overtake the government in Afghanistan. That's not Biden's fault, that's called an impossible situation. One week. After 20 years of our troops on the ground. One week.

Where's the America first guys to defend us getting the fuck out of that "shithole country"? How much money and effort should we pour into this international welfare project? Apparently 1 trillion got us 1 week of autonomy.
 

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What if this is all a clever design by the Biden administration to put these guys in plain sight so he can bomb the shit outta them?
 

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https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-removes-page-hailing-trump-taliban-deal-2021-8

The Republican Party has removed a page from its website that praised former President Donald Trump's peace deal with the Taliban and bid to withdraw US forces from Afghanistan. The webpage, which was first posted on the Republican National Committee's website during last year's presidential election, had hailed Trump's foreign policy achievements. An archived version of the page can be found here.
The internet-archive site Wayback Machine noted that the page was removed on August 15, as chaotic scenes emerged from Kabul of US forces evacuating officials from its embassy as Taliban militants seized back control of the country.
 

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Yesterday Mr Potato head outs CIA operatives, today two minutes into his press conference he blame Trump, LOL 238880337_10168027030400354_6704042010065197203_n.jpg
 

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Retard: Do you have the video of him blaming Trump? I started watching and Biden talked about how the buck stops with him and he takes full responsibility for the decision to end the endless war.
 

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Retard: I started watching and Biden talked about how the buck stops with him and he takes full responsibility for the decision to end the endless war.




Plenty of mistakes over the years from our "leaders" on both sides....But as of today how do the woman and children of Afghanistan survive and move forward under this exit plan?
 

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Plenty of mistakes over the years from our "leaders" on both sides....But as of today how do the woman and children of Afghanistan survive and move forward under this exit plan?

They will have to seek asylum as needed, and since we're responsible for destabilizing the region, that means we're going to have to be one of the providers.

The part that we don't know yet is if this brand of Taliban is like the one from 20 years ago or is actually a regime we can work with. If Pompeo and Trump were willing and able to meet with them last year and come to an agreement on terms, that has to mean it's a better version.
 

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They will have to seek asylum as needed, and since we're responsible for destabilizing the region, that means we're going to have to be one of the providers.

The part that we don't know yet is if this brand of Taliban is like the one from 20 years ago or is actually a regime we can work with. If Pompeo and Trump were willing and able to meet with them last year and come to an agreement on terms, that has to mean it's a better version.

Seek asylum as needed? So if your family was in this same situation this is what you'd want to hear?...WOW


Stop blaming Trump/Biden or whoever, these are humans being violated as we speak....JESUS stop playing the political game!!!
 

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Seek asylum as needed? So if your family was in this same situation this is what you'd want to hear?...WOW


Stop blaming Trump/Biden or whoever, these are humans being violated as we speak....JESUS stop playing the political game!!!

Yeah, I'd want someone to tell me to get out or trust the Taliban. The decision would be easy for me. It's been 20 years and the Taliban took over in one week. The answer isn't US troops. 20 years of us being there and the thing fell apart in days.

I don't think I've blamed Trump or Biden one time in this thread. The thing has been a mess since it started and both parties (and our military leadership) have their fingerprints all over it.
 

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Yeah, I'd want someone to tell me to get out or trust the Taliban. The decision would be easy for me. It's been 20 years and the Taliban took over in one week. The answer isn't US troops. 20 years of us being there and the thing fell apart in days.

I don't think I've blamed Trump or Biden one time in this thread. The thing has been a mess since it started and both parties (and our military leadership) have their fingerprints all over it.


I'm sure I'm wrong and you and your Fact Checkers will prove it....But in my opinion 20 years is not nearly enough to make a difference....You need to change the mindset over generations to make change....


You can beat a dog for years and the dog will cower and submit, treat him nice for a few years and he will start to trust yet still know that the abuse can return...Leave him to the same original abuse and he'll give back in....

This is what we are seeing today, the women and children of this generation will never trust again.....Prove me wrong
 

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If Afghanistan was south of Texas, none of you would give a shit about the women and children being affected.

Wring your hands, and clutch your beads!
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are the WH Afghanistan talking points Pelosi's office just sent around. They are not good: <br><br>"The Administration knew that there was a distinct possibility that Kabul would fall to the Taliban. It was not an inevitability. It was a possibility." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/facepalm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#facepalm</a> <a href="https://t.co/aE8lbCnw1z">pic.twitter.com/aE8lbCnw1z</a></p>— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) <a href="https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1427325804611096579?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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