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couldn't pass these up--- all over the total @ B&W 1st rd
Langer 73 +180
Jacobson 72 +160
Daly 72 +170
Cejaka 73 +150
Bjorn 72 +155
Love 71 +190
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Jacobson-Daly-Bjorn-Love covered by collective 20 strokes

Cejaka and Langer lost

On Olys 1st rd totals
Woods Singh Mick Campbell Leonard went over
Clarke and Howell under.
 
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Mickelson over Tiger +140
Kelly over Perry Ev
Els over Tiger +160

Betting on Tiger continuing to struggle with his swing.
 

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Adding (1.5pts unless stated):

Padraig Harrington to beat Chad Campbell -140 @ Five Dimes
Five Dimes have added a huge array of matchups - 121 in total - so adding a few more to the tally. Opposing Campbell this week on the basis that his putting should be his weakness around Augusta and Harrington has a big lead in this department. For all that Campbell deserved the praise for his win in the Bay Hill Invitational, he has finished in the top-35 in only a third of starts this year. He will need to be much more solid if he is to master this course.

Scott Verplank to beat Chad Campbell +110 @ Five Dimes [3pts]
Against Campbell's unpredictable play, Verplank has been one of the most consistent players of the season so far. His worst finish in six starts has been 26th and the only time that he has finished lower down the leaderboard than Campbell was at the Bay Hill Invitational which Campbell won and Verplank was 3rd. After six missed cuts at Augusta, Verplank has made the last two cuts here and finished 8th last year. In this form, he should not be too far away from the top-10 again.

Scott Verplank to beat Sergio Garcia -110 @ Five Dimes
Continuing with the dependable vs. erratic player theme, Verplank should beat Garcia this week. The Spaniard has finished 30th, 20th, 31st and 53rd in his last four strokeplay events and finished with 77 in the last round of his last two events. He may have the better form at Augusta prior to last year, but he not been in the same class as Verplank for some time.

Scott Verplank to beat John Daly -165 @ Five Dimes [3pts]
And again. As above, I expect either a sink or swim week from Daly. He has remained focused in events partly because of a drive to get his place in the top-50 in the World Rankings and so play in this event again. He has a decent shot at winning this title, but if the course starts to frustrate him, a weekend of 76-80 as he had in the Players Championship is rather likely.

Jeff Sluman to beat Michael Campbell -115 @ Five Dimes [3pts]
Opposing Campbell again. Four missed cuts from four visits is enough reason, plus he went out in the first round of the WGC Matchplay Championship in his start on American soil this year. It has hardly put to rest his nightmare spell on the PGA Tour in the first half of last year. Steady Sluman has made his last four cuts at Augusta and has made every cut on the Tour since his opening event of the year in Hawaii.
 

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Outrights - 0.75 units e.w.

T Immelman - 150/1 @ Sporting Odds
J Kaye - 125/1 @ Sporting Odds
A Scott - 50/1 @ Sporting Odds
J Haas - 125/1 @ Sporting Odds
M O'Meara - 125/1 @ Bet Direct
J Rose - 200/1 @ Sporting Odds
S Cink - 125/1 @ Bet Direct
S Verplank - 66/1 @ Victor Chandler
D Clarke - 50/1 @ Sporting Odds

For the record, these are the prices I obtained for these bets, not the prices at the time of posting. Can someone confirm that this is the appropriate method for the forum as this as beeen called into question? Thanks.

Good Luck!
 

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lal2000,
Dont worry just post what you play and I think thats good enough.

LIA,
Thanks for the praise on Johnson. GL this week on Mickelson. If you dont mind i'm going to follow you on one that i've been looking at.

Flanagan 40-1 0.5ew 1/4 123 B365

veride,
I'm in the US so i'm very limited as to where I can play. I'll try to post the books in the future.


Waited too long on Verplank. Really wish I could have grabbed a bit of that.

Might add more later.
 

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Match bets:

2pts verplank v Perry 10/11
2pts Leonard v Bjorn 10/11
1pt Choi v Howell 10/11
1pt Olazabal v Jacobsen 10/11

Focusing on players I want to oppose with (hopefully) solid players with decent course form or relevant stats. sorry no time for proper explanations

hoss:)
 

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The Masters Plays

The Masters Plays

Retief Goosen WINS MASTERS +25.00
Like the Price!

Stewart Cink OV/Chris DiMarco -1.10
Think the better Player is the Dog

Scott Verplank OV/Jerry Kelly -1.30
Like what I have read about Scott

Not much to say, have been really bad at Golf Plays. Trying to turn things around.

Colonial is Nearing.
 

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Best of Luck to everyone-Enjoy:

My motto is this-when will you ever get these odds on Eldrick??
No matter what-I still have faith in the best-he LIVES for these.

Best plays:
Tiger over Mick -140 10 units

To Win
Eldrick 5-1 3 units
Goosen 24-1
Howell 120-1
Haas 85-1
Maryuama 78-1

Tiger to finish Under 6.5 -120 5 units

Make Cut:
Yes
Rose -110 2 units

No
Flesch -115 2 units
Monty +140 1 unit
Micheel -110 5 units
Daly +175 5 units **just waiting for him to lose it

GL
 

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Outright Win:
5* Tiger +436 (Tiger, Masters, what the Hell)
.25* Maruyama +6750 (The temperament, the ability, decent form)
.25* Olazabal +8000 (Simply a Masters specialist, in pretty good form)
.25* Haas +8500 (Maybe has one more big one in him)
.25* Izawa +17500 (Top 5 here before, is not out of the question)

I think Tiger is being overlooked if that is possible in this tournament. Why is he considered so far off the pace this season? He won the Matchplay event not too long ago, beating the best in the World when he cared to. His finishes this season are bad? How about 1,4,7,10,16 in six events. Four Top 10's in six tries. He's 3rd in Par Breakers (one of the only true predictable measures of Masters success), 1st overall in Par 4 and Par 5 Birdies, 9th in putting, 12th in scoring average (another predictor). In other words...he has kinda been prepping for this one, un my opinion. He has said repeatedly that he cares about the Majors, and the Masters is his sandbox. I think his performance is close enough to keep him in the hunt, and adding in his fire from all the negativity and questions I think he will be there on Sunday. If he is there, he will win.

Why the others WON'T win: Singh is having driving troubles. Goosen has been way off his game of late and never has shown the ability to close this one out. Love has had too many bad rounds this season, bad par breakers, driving, sand saves. Els has won once here this year but his other three finishes are 21/26/cut - and does not sound confident coming in. Weir does not show enough for me right now and I think his lack of length will hurt in these conditions. And Mick...

Phil Mickelson does not honestly think he can win a major. If Tiger is anywhere near him from Saturday afternoon on he will choke on his Titleist Pro V. He has everything to offer this season except a win for quite a while. He is back to his typical late tourney fades, and the tight collar of the Green Jacket will not fit over his fat head. I am NOT a fan of Phil, as he has done too much damage to my bankroll over the years to ever back him in a Major. He is currently ranked 37th in Round 4 scoring...that will not get it done this Sunday either.

Other glaring weaknesses: Verplank is awesome statistically BUT is 70th in Round 3 scoring. He may start well, but he will be passed on Saturday if nothing else...Appleby is on his game this season, but is 92nd in Round 4 scoring and is an atrocious +13 (154th) in Par 3 performance this season. On these greens?!? I don't think so...Toms doesn't seem quite there yet after the injury...Harrington could do it but has some bad streaks at inopportune times which will keep him from the top...I honestly cannot back anyone else to actually win this event for many reasons.

Sometimes, you have to stop trying to beat the man, and just enjoy the ride. I expect Tiger to be pumping that fist to the sky again on Sunday, and 'ol mopey Phil to be rubbing his temples after missing yet another putt after driving into the rough. I don't post often, but thought I'd join in for the big week. Enjoy the weekend, and best of luck to all of you.
 

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WEDNESDAY:

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Glad to see so many patrons back again for the Masters. Maybe the Canadian contingent won't create such a ruckus this time.
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lal: I surely believe your plays are being posted plenty timely. I always look for them, as going after stuff with longer odds always holds some appeal with me. Ben Curtis proves anything is possible, and in his own way, so does Jean Van de Velde. I've probably broken even putting a few dollars on quite a few of your plays in February and March, and I can fondly recall that seeing you on Haeggman in Qatar entered into my final decision making process. And just in passing, although it didn't pan out, Stan's play on Rosie Jones at Dinah Shore was one of my favorites in three years of trying for those elusive longshots . . . .This week, that's certainly a nice price on Rose, and he may do something nice, but no way do I think his time is this week; but I look forward to that day, and you seem enough of a phenom with your way of doing things to have even that one go your way. I feel almost but not quite as strongly about staying away from Immelman at just about any price they care to offer me, while I have to concede the outside prospects of O'Meara tracking down a Top 5 finish, and doing it from start to finish. After that, it's easier for me to see a way for any of your remaining selections to shock the world. Good luck, always.

DTB: I always get a chuckle out of seeing you lined up to bet on the next train wreck.

Thoughts on Tiger: I stand by the thrust of my two earlier observations about the Striped One at this moment, and will offer more of the same. Butch Harmon recently commented that Tiger is out of position in his swing, and corroboration merely requires noting the fact that Tiger isn't trying his patented stinger shot because he's in no position to pull it off. I can't evaluate the technical merits of the analysis, but Butchie is dead on right about Tiger not going there . . . And what Thomas Boswell (Washington Post) said last year is just as true this year: "Woods has led or been tied for the lead (going into the final round) in eight majors. His jaw-dropping leads were 10, nine, six, four and (twice) one shot. Twice, he was tied for the lead. He's won all eight of those majors . . . Tiger has tried to come from behind in 16 other majors and he's 0 for 16. A couple of charges, similar to what he'll need here, have failed at the wire . . .
With Woods, everything is assumed to be magically easy. That's disgracefully unfair . . . The psychology of being behind Tiger and being ahead of him is utterly different. When Woods is ahead, pros think, "How can I catch him? He's better than me." But, with a lead, they think, "Sure, he's better. But my lead makes the match even. I've got a real chance." For one day, (even without a lead, could a Maggert, Weir) Singh, Olazabal, Mickelson or Toms, all going for broke, beat Tiger? Woods knows they could. Ironically, nobody respects the difficulty of golf -- especially Sunday at a major -- more than Woods. No matter how confident he is, he never deludes himself that he doesn't need a little luck and a break here or there on those weeks -- like this one -- when his "A" game is far, far away. . . . When Woods has the lead, he has two huge edges -- his superior ability and his superior mind. He knows when to be conservative, even if it costs him a shot off his lead. When he's behind, especially as the remaining holes dwindle, his strategic advantage disappears. He just has to fire at diabolical pin positions, just like everybody else, and hope for the best. "I don't know if people really understand where they have put a lot of these flags," Woods said. "They are closer to the edges of the green and [to the] trouble than ever. . . . There is a price to pay if you do miss it only by a yard off. That's all it takes here. I hit a shot on number one that was one yard left of the flag and I ended up almost in the gallery. And that's what Augusta can do if you miss just one yard. That's all it takes." That's why Tiger loves leads. And isn't so fond of the got-to-go-for-it tactics that turn him into just another gambler. Woods never fools with that last dastardly yard of a margin of error, if he can help it. He's no foolhardy Greg Norman who never learned his limits. But Sunday, he may have no choice." . . . . . . . . . . . . . . In the overall scheme of things, no storyline this season is any bigger than how Tiger responds to not winning a major in 2003; it will be quite a scoop if the final verdict on his effort in 2004 is that it was worse than 2003. Bad mouth a hungry Tiger and discount him at your own peril at Augusta in April, IMO. "Form comes and goes, but class is permanent."

Thoughts on Palmer: Stealing from Ed Sherman (Chicago Tribune): The Masters defined Palmer as a player, and Palmer defined the Masters as the centerpiece of the golf calendar . . .The television camera either loves you or it hates you. The cameras fell in love with Palmer and never stopped . . . There will be kid's in the gallery today that will speak with wonder 50 years from now when they tell their grandchildren they saw Arnold Palmer play in this week's Masters.

Thoughts on Mickelson: Until just a few months ago, the conventional wisdom was that Mickelson's best chance at a major would come when expectations were fairly low (assuming he wasn't somehow completely incapable, which I never thought any closer to the truth than I did with Greg Norman; put yourself there enough times, and it will happpen for the likes of those talents). That conventional wisdom may still prove true. (And The Masters was certainly being generally thought of as the most likely of the four.) . . . But if the critical putts are falling before the weekend, as I strongly suspect they will be, then Mickelson is not likely to ever again script himself any finer opportunity than here and now to emerge in the bright sunshine.
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"I like to watch." And I like to wager. Adding these:


THURSDAY 3-BALLS (1* each @ Bet365):

Faxon(+135) over Flesch/Immelman
Izawa(+125) over Cejka/Nicklaus
Flanagan(+450) over Weir/Leonard
Howell(+125) over Price/Lewis


MATCHUPS:

Cabrera(-115) over O'Meara (Tournament) for 1* @ 5dimes
Montgomerie(-110) over N. Price (Tournament) for 1* @ 5dimes
- I'm kind of surprised I haven't yet posted a play on Love or Couples.


OUTRIGHTS:

Olazabal(11/1 and 1/5 for Top 4) for Top European for 1* @ Bet365


PROPOSITIONS:

Mickelson Finishing Position Under 7.5(-125) for 1* @ 5dimes


GL
 

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As I see it...

As I see it...

Having read all of the above posts......

1. NOT ONE poster has even mentioned the defending champion...arguably one of the better players in the field, not to mention the world...Mike Weir is +2500 at BET365

2. IMO this tournament, as usual, and unlike the other 3 majors, has only approximately 12 - 15 players with a real, legitimate chance for the Green Jacket...why waste your money on non-contenders...??? Look at the field an you can figure out who I mean...NOT Scott Verplank and the like...

3. Augusta is USUALLY about putting well - and the fact Vijah Singh won proves the point...the year he won there was a lot of rain, and the course conditions changed the nature of the course from "fast and hard" to "soft and accessible" - and he won with the highest number of putts in Masters history.

4. With the length of the modern player, he actually became a factor...the forecast is for no rain except for possibly early Thursday...and looking at last years winner, Mike Weir is not considered exceptionally long - just "long enough"...

5. The odds of a first timer winning at Augusta at astronomical so I am not wasting money on that - except for possibly making the cut. One I like, due to his extremely cocky attitude is Casey Wittenberg, from OSU...but not to win - just as top newcomer...

6. They have lengthened the course again - and planted more trees is strategic spots...this will only play to the advantage of the 10-12 players mentioned above...driving it straight will become even more of a premium - they let the rough grow some the past couple of years - but the Mastes has always been a putting contest - with the exception of when Vijah won.

Picking an outright winner is always tough...but I will be surprized if TW is not wearing another green coat on SUNDAY...

Will post some picks later ...

IP...:)
 

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Masters shots...

Masters shots...

Looking for good play from Sergio Garcia, who now has a year or more with his swing changes, and Stuart Appleby, who is due some good fortune...

Betting against Darren Clarke due to recent swing changes...

Day 1 - 3 balls

1. Garcia +100 over Langer and Zhang [72-71-77][L]

2. Funk +175 over Lonard and Kaye [80-74-79][L]

3. Haas +185 over Monty and Micheel [69-71-72][W]

4. Harrington +162 over Singh and Daly [74-75-78][W]

5. Mick + 125 over Clarke and Maruyama [72-70-82][L]
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6. O'Meara +270 over Els and Allenby [73-70-73][L]


Entire tounrey:

7. Garcia +4000 to win [+ 5 places at 1/4 odds][W]

8. Woods +400 to win [+5 places at 1/4 odds] [L]

9. Love -110 over Harrington [W]

10. Mick -118 over Els and -114 over Singh [W]

11. Garcia -110 over Clarke [2 units] [Won]

12. Appleby +350 over 5 others in group [W]

13. Appleby -110 over Campbell [Won]

Other stuff:

14. Arnold Palmer to shoot 82-83 [+800] [Lost - 84 with double boge on 10 !!! :mad: ]

15. Winning Margin 5-6 strokes [+1400] [L]

This should be a good week!!!

IP :D :shrug:


16. Casey Wittenburg +10000 - top newcomer [L]
 
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LIA - I'm lost in New York for a few weeks and without a lot of my favourite forecasting tools, but there is always this forum. I always appreciate your thoughts on the matters off the day, and the depth to which you delve. I had a good run in the earlier part of the year, and have been badly let down on a number of recent occasions. I remain confident for the year and expect to have a place back on the leaderboard in due course.

And as usual I have a few picks on the side which remain unposted (N Price & Langer are two of the better ones). I am surprised by Roses strong start, but not unhappy! I am equally surprised by TW's poor start, as I'm sure many are. I personally think, and have for some time, that the Tiger era is over and some new blood is on the horizon - again, I like Scott, Immelman, Chad Campbell and Rose and all are contenders. Be interesting to see how the week pans out.

Good Luck!

LT
 

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2nd round all at 5dimes
Clark -112 over Mediate 2 units
Langer -128 over M.Campbell 2 units
Jacobson -112 over Maruyama
Maggert -115 over Immelman
Flesch -117 over Leany
Beem -108 over Lawrie
Stadler +100 over Curtis

Man I love the Masters except for my Scott to win pick
 

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2nd rd
Maru +110 over Daly @ VIP

Looks like ole Murph threw the worst scenerio possible weather wise for the overs in 1st rd totals(rain and absolutely no wind) however lines were so far out of kelter should come out in good shape. Will update in thread at conclusion of 1st rd. Something that always amazes me is how well these oldtimers play in Masters--especially1st rd when legs are strong. Course knowledge has its merits here.Wonder what the odds would be for Nicklaus to beat Tiger two straight years.:confused:
 

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The most benign scoring conditions possible yielded very little yesterday . . . I still like what I like, but the grind is looking arduous.

FRIDAY:

Mickelson(+125) over Clarke/Maruyama for 1* @ Bet365
Watson(+188) over Baird/Wolstenhome for 1* @ Bet365
Scott(-110) over Weir for 1* @ 5dimes

Jay Haas(25/1 and 1/4 for Top4) for 0.40* e.w. @ Bet365

GL
 

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Bruce Edwards Passes

Bruce Edwards Passes

Bruce passed away yesterday morning, the start of the Masters. Tom Watson said, It?s Bruce favorite tournament, so it seemed fitting.
I have been very lucky to have been able do deal, one on one, with Bruce for 16 years at Colonial. I work with the Caddies and get to meet them at the Tee with their bib and fresh towel. Bruce, as well as many others, was always friendly with a smile and a thank you. He called be Boss and made my volunteer job seem more meaningful.
I was able to get his and Tom?s graph on the book the year after he won the Colonial. Bruce made sure I got Tom?s. He also gave me a Watson ball, which I have saved along with many others.
Bruce was a great guy and every year he would say, Glad to see you and let me know we (Colonial) took great care of the Caddies.

He will be missed and the Golf Community lost a Great Man.

May God Bless his Family and Friends.
 
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