This is Frightning

[Trossi3389]

Can You Name This Country?

709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL.

293,000 RESERVE TROOPS.

EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS.

20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS.

19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS ON 232 MISSILES.

500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS.

FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE.

IS THIS COUNTRY:

RUSSIA? NO

CHINA? NO

GREAT BRITAIN? NO

FRANCE? WRONG AGAIN

MUST BE USA? STILL WRONG

GIVE UP?.........

THESE ARE THE AMERICAN MILITARY FORCES THAT WERE ELIMINATED ING THE ADMINISTRATION OF BILL CLINTON AND AL GORE.

SLEEP WELL!.........


If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in

English, thank a soldier."
But now for the rest of the story..........


John Kerry on Defense -- I hadn't seen this list printed before. It would
make one heck of a mailer if it were sent to voters. This is a bit
overwhelming. Please read it slowly.........

> He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle

> He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank

> He voted to kill every aircraft carrier laid down from 1988.

> He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system

> He voted to Kill the F-15 Strike Eagle

> He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16

> He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade

> He voted to Kill the B-1

> He voted to Kill the B-2

> He voted to Kill the Patriot Anti Missile System

> He voted to Kill the FA-18

> He voted to Kill the B-2

> He voted to Kill the F117

In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.
> He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the
U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the fundingbfor the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%.

> But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!

IS THIS A PRESIDENT U GUYS REALLY WANT???

 

[rrc]

agreed

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Bush directed and approved of the deaths of approximately 25,000 Iraqis, Americans, Brits and others. In addition, although weapons of mass destruction were not found, he recently stated he would do it all over again. Is this a president you really want?

The fact that you state with Kerry as president our army will be made up of naked men carrying sticks (may appeal to Dr. Freeze) destroys any credibility your post may have had. Your president is a callous, psychotic, infinitely mentally lacking, religous fanatic with an evil, calculating, psychotic, and quite intelligent, vice president.

Eddie

 

[Trossi3389]

Bush directed and approved of the deaths of approximately 25,000 Iraqis, Americans, Brits and others. In addition, although weapons of mass destruction were not found, he recently stated he would do it all over again. Is this a president you really want?

The fact that you state with Kerry as president our army will be made up of naked men carrying sticks (may appeal to Dr. Freeze) destroys any credibility your post may have had. Your president is a callous, psychotic, infinitely mentally lacking, religous fanatic with an evil, calculating, psychotic, and quite intelligent, vice president.

Eddie

:142lmao: good 1 eddie :142lmao:

ill admit im not an einstein when comes to politics buddy, but what do u think the odds are of saddam throwing them WMD's over the fence just prior of us going in??? just curious. i mean lets face it.. saddam wasnt a charm here!

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I agree Trossi, Sadaam was as much of a charmer as Penguinfan was with the Madjacks womens softball team. However, does it justify the deaths? In my view, it does not. Remember, France, Germany and the UN wanted to continue to explore non-military solutions to his defiance of UN mandates.

Yet, that is the du jur reason for the invasion since the wmd's were not found. I mean this administration kinda flip-flops (verb chosen intentionally) on whether it enforce UN mandates or to disregard the UN. Hell, I don't know what he did with them. Maybe they were destroyed, maybe he dumped them over the fence into Syria, maybe he sold them to the Iran contras.

The point being, 25,000 deaths for what??? No immediate threat to US. No real tie in with terrorists. All the while, the real bad guy is stashed away in some cave in Afganistan sipping a mai tai. I know Wayne will come up with all these tenous links to wmd's and Sadaams involvement with terrorists, but nothing more than Bush's relationship with the Bin Laden. Now theres a link up.

Nice guy? No. But there are a lot of bad guys out there (with all due respect to Dr. Freeze) heading up countries and we don't go invading them. I don't love Kerry (although I think he may surprise if elected) but I really can't see anyone voting for Bush after seeing what he has done both internationally and domestically.

Eddie

 

[Trossi3389]

The point being, 25,000 deaths for what??? No immediate threat to US.

come on eddie,it was just a matter of time before this guy had to go! guys been a thorn 1 way or another for what>> 20 yrs.. look how many this man has killed himself.. ( AND MOST OF THEM HIS OWN PEOPLE ) i believe in the saying "what goes around comes around" and saddam it came around! NOT to mention eddie his 2 sons.. dont u think them pricks would of been thorns down the road???? these guys had the same mind set as a terrorist!! THEY HAD TO GO!!! also, all the good chit happening in iraq is behind closed doors.. JMO

 

[Trossi3389]

by the way, WTF do people see in kerry??? if u think were in a decline now,fawk,,if we hand the ball off to kerry and even bobbles it.. UGGGGGGGGG were in for a disaster!

 

[djv]

All those cut backs listed above. Some were approved and in the plan for realignment when Bush 41 was in office. These things take time. Some plans are spread out over 10 years. Ask Why before you jump.
Example the Bradley. A pice of junk. They should have scraped it. But instead the final version with some improvement went forward. Ask the GI's useing the dam thing in Iraq what the slogan is for it. Use at your own risk.

 

[gardenweasel]

edward...wake up...

the u.n.,france,germany and the rest of the "head in the sand" gang will forever explore "non military solutions".....

it`s what they do.....the u.n. does nothing(see sudan,ruwanda)....unless it involves lining their corrupt little pockets....r

the french do nothing(witness prior to ww2....actually,in the case of the french,witness DURING ww2....remember "the surrender monkeys"?).....

i`m sorry...the french did do something...they sold saddam the technology and assisted him in building his own nuclear bomb before the israeli`s got worried and took the reactor out...

now,the u.n. and the rest of this group are twiddling their diddle while iran muscles up....a country that needs nuclear reactors like dolly parton needs breast augmentation....


brother,you might want europe and the u.n. dictating america`s foreign policy....

but,then again,you are probably a card carrying member of the aclu...and proud of it...

and that`s why i try to pick my spots in your ranting posts....not over-burden you with large doses of common sense....

:yawn:

 

[shamrock]

garden, I believe Cheney did lots of deals with Saddam/Iraq also not just the French. Speaking of French did you happen to catch them celebrating the 60 year anniversary of freedom from Nazi s?? Quite comical.

Many republicans including Cheney voted to kill many many of those items on the list.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

GW:

I'm sure the 25,000 + dead Iraqis, Americans, Brits, and others would have rather had the UN explore non-violent solutions to this countries perceived threat from Iraq.

The UN does nothing you say. Why do we? Why don't we go into N. Korea, Iran, Sudan and every other country were we perceive injustice? Why did we pick Iraq and not Sudan?

GW, I appreciate what you and the rest of the right wingers on board here are trying to do, to wit, justify the unwarrented, invasion and deaths of 25k + by your buddy. Sorry, but that shit flies about as much as my bullshit closing argument in my last jury trial.

The guy is an incompetent boob controlled by very evil people. Oh yeah, the froggies sold Sadam nuclear technology. Would that be the same Sadam that the good old USA helped into power? So the French are bad but we are good.

Go eat a hot dog and apple pie then hop into your Chevrolet. I don't want Europe or anyone else dictating American foreign policy. I further don't want a religous zealot, who gets his instructions from the Lord, to be revitalizing the Crusades.

If your comment about the aclu was meant to mean that I believe in the Constitution and the rights of people, then I accept your compliment. Most illiterate and uneducated people cannot appreciate how much good that organization does and how, in reality, they are wonderful defenders of the Constitution against corporate america's takeover attempt.

Long live the aclu. Long live the workers and proleteriats (sorry watched that Seinfeld episode last night where Elaine was dating a communist).

Trossi. You know what I see in Kerry. Simple, he's not Bush.

Eddie

 

[gardenweasel]

shammy...i don`t think cheney is the anti-christ...as many hysterical lefties believe.....and i honestly am not up on who voted for what in congress....at least as far as the military budget is concerned...

i`m trying to stay clear of the silly political name calling regarding the presidential election....it`s a waste of breath and time....

what i do think is worth shedding light on is that the u.n. and the world are once again sitting on their hands while another rogue muslim nation takes a whack at joining the nuclear club....one that DOES have ties to terrorists...

that scares the hell out of me....

i could give a sh-t about swift boat vets,kerry`s medals or bush`s national guard service......

i`m worried about our security,the viability and sustenance of our economy and our way of life...

they just nabbed a top hamas operative ,his wife and kids taking photos of the stanchions and cable structure of the chesapeake bay bridge.....

a nice little terrorist family outing....

and some smarmy lawyer will probably get him off....no law against taking pictures of bridge structures.....right?...

thank god for the patriot act.....and every american cop and citizen that understands the"gathering storm" of our generation....

 

[shamrock]

I don't think Cheney is necessarily the anti Christ, but I do thin k he is one Hell of a profiteering opportunist. There is undeniable proof he circumvented restrictions against Iraq, making deals with Iraq through Kellogg Brown & Root and Halliburton.

And honestly we should have had legitimate issues & control over Iran since before this Authority invasion, the truth of the matter is militarily we simply can't now because we are over extended in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is evidenced by the back door draft and the forcing of troops passed their commitments.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Edward after you made comment on below twice I'd thought I'd retort.
"I'm sure the 25,000 + dead Iraqis, Americans, Brits"
The bulk of these were the enemy--does that make any diff.
So far deaths in Afgan and Iraq combined going on 2 years of fighting is 1/3 those killed here in one day.

I've heard of spin but when we decimate the enemy and you include them in #'s I can let it slide once but not twice--your honor.

Your running out of steam when you have to resort to such tactics.

 

[StevieD]

We are supposed to be fighting a war against terror. That is a war that has no bondries. All of the anti-aircrat missles and soldiers in the world will not help us in that war. You see how a bunch of guys in a mosque have us stumped. We can't identify the faces of terror. Conventional weapons wil not be of much use. Too bad Bush let Americas guard down and diverted the war against terror to overthrow Saddam. Now we have thousands of soldiers as sitting ducks in a civil war. A stupid or corrupt stratergy, take your pick. But a man who leaves American soldiers to be targets for fanatic Iraqi's is not fit to be Commander in Chief.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I disagree Steve I think fighting for and setting up democracys in the heart of terrorist regions will have a greater effect effect against terrorism and there outlook on western ways in years and generations to come "if" we succeed there.

I agree as you,it will tough to do. Religious fanatics do not comprehend common sense and mistakes are going to happen in our way of thinking and trying to rationalize. How do communicate to people who think it is ok for some to set of military head quarters in mosque but the ultimate transgression for others to to take miltary action against them there.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wayne:

Didnt you at one point say that democracy will not work in Iraq?

Eddie

 

[djv]

Yesterday we have some more eye opening. Some religious leader shows up and takes control. His show should keep our eyes wide open. It don't mater how many tanks and air planes you have if you cant win there minds. Chit this is not stopping in Iraq. We go home and it's all back to normal. As It ended in Nam. We have killed some of of ours and some of theres. Including woman and children for what. Now they kill each other. And were still there watching. Can you even guess what happens when we leave. And were to think we helped Iraq.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Can't ever remember saying that Ed---it will be tough but if ever allowed to get a smell of it there will be no turning back for the majority but there will always be the fanatics fighting it--if they fight it in other countries I see little possibilty of them not fighting it to the end in muslim states.

DJV If americans had similiar mindset that in days of revolution we'd still be a british colony--fortunately the iraq's and agan are getting aisstance which we didn't.

 

[djv]

Didn't those low life Fench help us. My point is we can stand on our head and no one cares. The religious freaks have more control. Were in over our head in that area. And as soon as we do something to harm any of them. Another 1000 terroist sign up to hate us.