UCS OVERRATED
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Don't worry about USC. They are doing better than anyone could expect. Brand new QB, brand new backfield, brand new DB's, brand new Safety's, ton of injuries this season, and USC continues to win. This same team went to Arkansas and won 50-14. The same Arkansas team that traveled on the road to the #1 ranked SEC team and beat Auburn 27-10. SLOW down when you start thinking Michigan, Florida etc are better. USC will beat them too because they have no idea how to defend/play USC.
What people forget is USC has won 52 of their last 56 games, and 41 of their last 43. On top of the CFB world. Now USC lost all their star power, PAC 10 teams are looking for payback. Don't underestimate this. Teams who USC has destroyed and embarrassed REPEATEDLY for years think they finally have a chance to beat USC. Teams will continue to bring their "A" games against USC. USC cannot throw the playbook at every team on the schedule because every team goes balls out to beat USC. I have been told USC has used half their playbook so far this season. Yet USC still finds a way to prevail despite battling inexperience AND injuries.
Just be patient until this team grows up and finds its identity. Booty is leaps and bounds ahead of Matt Leinart at this stage in his career. (Leinart won a NC his first year starting) Leinart struggled a lot more than Booty and Leinart had more experienced talent around him.
The rest of the college football world better hope USC doesn't find their identity this season because EVERYONE is returning next year! Super young team. I think USC has played 15 FRESHMAN this year and most have been key roles. Back to Back is what I am predicting! USC has 4 weeks to get their act together before they close out their brutal schedule.
This season is very very similar to USC in 2003 with Leinart 1st year starting. When USC takes off (just like they did in 2003), there was no turning back. Machine mode. It should happen within the next 4 weeks.
If you still can get USC to win the BCS NC at 4-1 odds, take it. VERY GOOD BET!
What people forget is USC has won 52 of their last 56 games, and 41 of their last 43. On top of the CFB world. Now USC lost all their star power, PAC 10 teams are looking for payback. Don't underestimate this. Teams who USC has destroyed and embarrassed REPEATEDLY for years think they finally have a chance to beat USC. Teams will continue to bring their "A" games against USC. USC cannot throw the playbook at every team on the schedule because every team goes balls out to beat USC. I have been told USC has used half their playbook so far this season. Yet USC still finds a way to prevail despite battling inexperience AND injuries.
Just be patient until this team grows up and finds its identity. Booty is leaps and bounds ahead of Matt Leinart at this stage in his career. (Leinart won a NC his first year starting) Leinart struggled a lot more than Booty and Leinart had more experienced talent around him.
The rest of the college football world better hope USC doesn't find their identity this season because EVERYONE is returning next year! Super young team. I think USC has played 15 FRESHMAN this year and most have been key roles. Back to Back is what I am predicting! USC has 4 weeks to get their act together before they close out their brutal schedule.
This season is very very similar to USC in 2003 with Leinart 1st year starting. When USC takes off (just like they did in 2003), there was no turning back. Machine mode. It should happen within the next 4 weeks.
If you still can get USC to win the BCS NC at 4-1 odds, take it. VERY GOOD BET!
:mj07: Yeah, you see alot of those top 5 teams running fake fg plays on avg defenses. And Havent we already seen OSU/Mich/Florida juice the clock illegally while the other team is at their 15?
The fact that SC has to resort to gimmicks and cheating/favorable calls/incredibly lucky breaks to beat WASHINGTON, proves that they are not top 3 team, not even top5. Scott, its a different story if SC DIDNT have injuries/inexperience, but they do. SC wont even win the Pac10 conference outright.
Man - Did someone from USC beat you up... Cheating??? That's a little harsh. The fact is Ty has always been critized by his clock management, and it bit him in the ass again.
Its official USC sucks, but all they do is win. :shrug:
No team in the history of CFB has gone through so much turnover and then lose so many players to injury during the young season and yet just continue to win. AMAZING coaching job by Pete Carroll.
At times on Sat. USC was without their top 3 WR's. (Jarret, Smith, McFoy) with an inexperienced QB carrying his team on his back!
ON THE FINAL CURCIAL DRIVE AGAINST WASHINGTON, USC only had 2 players on the field that started the Rose Bowl against Texas. That was just 5 games ago. :scared
USC offense has no OFFENSIVE CONTINUITY because of injuries and youth. In the next 4 weeks, USC will be like the USC you are used too.
Washington in general and Stanback in particular played a great game that was, by and large, mistake free with no interceptions, no lost fumbles, and only four penalties for 25 yards for the Huskies.
It is tough to beat a team that plays like that: any team that plays like that. Believe it or not, Washington is a good team this year.
Same thing with Washington St. last week.
When you are on top of the college football world, everyone is looking for reasons to tear you apart. Yet USC keeps on winning.
USC went 6-6 in the redzone and scored on FIVE of their first six possessions. USC didn't punt until there was two minutes left in the third quarter.
As for the fake FG. The FG holder is USC's 3rd string QB. NOBODY from Washington was guarding WR Steve Smith. You would be STUPID not to run the fake field goal. Steve Smith had NOBODY defending him. If UW had a player guarding Smith, I think USC would have kicked the FG. It was a no brainer.
Good luck making a case against USC. With their schedule and future opponents, nobody is going to pass USC at #2, as long as PC keeps putting up W's. Look at who USC has beaten and where USC has played. CASE CLOSED!
Just be patient and wait until this team matures and grows up. These close games are exactly what will make USC a machine later in the year.
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Scott, i dont need the history of the usc program every time you post. I know they used to be good.
You said last week WSU played mistake free ball, but i asked you to explain the bail out penalty that let USC off their 1 yrd line? And i have yet to get a response. I take you for a very biased poster Scott, but not an outright liar! Quit this "mistake free" garbarge that you put in all your posts. Teams are just not fumbling to SC 5 times in a game is what you mean.
I dont know what case I need to make against SC besides they have to face ASU,Ore,Cal, UCLA, and ND. If they make it through that schedule undefeated they belong in NC no doubt. But I would still be very impressed if they make it through that schedule with only 1 loss.
SC flat out has trouble with Offensive teams! And ASU has had two weeks and Koetters job on the line to get ready to play this game, and you know ASU offense is very potent if Carpenter gets clicking.
Cal always plays SC tough and has the best running game in the pac and the best offense in the pac. If SC cant stop Wash or WSU what makes you so sure they can stop Cal? Magic pete carrol dust?
SC has trouble with mobile qbs (tex/wash), but Dixon on Ore is the best mobile Qb in the Pac, and has an offense to go along with him, unlike wash.
ND is better than SC or at the very least as good
and UCLA is beter than last year and no one ever knows what happens in that rivalry game
So there ya go scott, thats my case against SC running the table. I dont think SC sucks, but what are you argueing with me about? SC isnt a top 5 teams because they have injuries/inexperience right now. IF they fix both those things Magically then they will easily be top 5 team.
You said last week WSU played mistake free ball, but i asked you to explain the bail out penalty that let USC off their 1 yrd line? And i have yet to get a response. I take you for a very biased poster Scott, but not an outright liar! Quit this "mistake free" garbarge that you put in all your posts. Teams are just not fumbling to SC 5 times in a game is what you mean.
I dont know what case I need to make against SC besides they have to face ASU,Ore,Cal, UCLA, and ND. If they make it through that schedule undefeated they belong in NC no doubt. But I would still be very impressed if they make it through that schedule with only 1 loss.
SC flat out has trouble with Offensive teams! And ASU has had two weeks and Koetters job on the line to get ready to play this game, and you know ASU offense is very potent if Carpenter gets clicking.
Cal always plays SC tough and has the best running game in the pac and the best offense in the pac. If SC cant stop Wash or WSU what makes you so sure they can stop Cal? Magic pete carrol dust?
SC has trouble with mobile qbs (tex/wash), but Dixon on Ore is the best mobile Qb in the Pac, and has an offense to go along with him, unlike wash.
ND is better than SC or at the very least as good
and UCLA is beter than last year and no one ever knows what happens in that rivalry game
So there ya go scott, thats my case against SC running the table. I dont think SC sucks, but what are you argueing with me about? SC isnt a top 5 teams because they have injuries/inexperience right now. IF they fix both those things Magically then they will easily be top 5 team.
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Hey Scott 4 USC
Where are your plays this year? I liked your write ups last year. Are you laying low?
Scott
Hey Scott 4 USC
Where are your plays this year? I liked your write ups last year. Are you laying low?
Got to say that I have 2 futures>>>
Got to say that I have 2 futures>>>
Irons to win the Heisman at +2800 and SC at +800
If I still lived in Vegas I may be inclined to rip up both tickets.
The difficulty in the assertion that SC is overrated is that who else is really out there other than Mich, OSU, and FL. After that I think all the teams are interchangeable to include SC-Ville-TN-ND-WV-TX. To say that SC is overrated at 2/3 is actually fine, let someone else carry the target that SC has had on their backs for 3 years.
If SC was #5/6 I would fine with it.
My Top 5
OSU
Mich
FL
USC
TN
I think that TN will beat anyone in the country today. And for that matter, Cal might be just as good as anyone, Now. Not before when they got spanked.
Got to say that I have 2 futures>>>
Irons to win the Heisman at +2800 and SC at +800
If I still lived in Vegas I may be inclined to rip up both tickets.
The difficulty in the assertion that SC is overrated is that who else is really out there other than Mich, OSU, and FL. After that I think all the teams are interchangeable to include SC-Ville-TN-ND-WV-TX. To say that SC is overrated at 2/3 is actually fine, let someone else carry the target that SC has had on their backs for 3 years.
If SC was #5/6 I would fine with it.
My Top 5
OSU
Mich
FL
USC
TN
I think that TN will beat anyone in the country today. And for that matter, Cal might be just as good as anyone, Now. Not before when they got spanked.
Everybody makes mistakes in games. Even Pete Carroll has stated that Arizona, WSU, and now Washington have played very clean games against USC. USC will likely lose this year if teams continue to play mistake free football against USC. Yeah WSU had PI when USC was on 1 yard line, but that prob. prevented USC WR from making the catch. WASH.
Most of the debates I have been in were hypothetical. If USC ran table, if AU ran the table, if FL ran the table etc. Who goes to BCS NC game. So it was implied USC runs the table.
No question USC is vulnerable right now. By the time they play Oregon, CAL, ND and UCLA, USC will have matured AND get healthy. Those teams unfortunately play USC in the 2h of season. Big no no. USC doesn't lose in November. Never has under Pete Carroll.
DUH! USC has 2 new starters at DB, 2 new starters at safety, 2 new starters on DL. USC D has not been garbage and has gotten the job done. Not shut down D, but def. solid enough to win games. USC offense has been conservative and USC D has been carrying the team.
What you say about CAL is true. But how good would CAL's offense be if they lost their 3 best fullbacks, their 3 best WR's, new backfield, and new QB? How good would any offense be in the 1st half of year?
USC offense has been solid in terms of getting the job done. Just getting W's. Wait until the 2h of the year for USC offense to explode. That is when USC plays CAL! Believe me, USC has not opened their playbook.
True. Nobody said beating Oregon will be easy. But USC gets Oregon 2h of the season. Not good for Oregon.
USC will beat ND by double digits, easy. Not a knock on ND but rather how good USC will be when they play. ND D will not be able to stop USC offense and USC D will be very experienced and ready to go by then. USC doesn't lose in November, remember? PC in 5 years has ZERO losses in November. Not luck. It is because his teams ALWAYS improve as the year goes on. USC has played 15 freshman so far this year. PC is getting USC ready to roll in the 2h of year.
Rivalry games are always scary but UCLA offense has no chance against USC D. USC just needs to score over 20pts to win and it has been something like 53 straight games USC has scored 20 or more pts.
What has USC done this year that hasn't impressed you to rank USC #2? Who has a better resume?
USC deserves #2 because..........
WIN @Arkansas
WIN vs Nebraska
WIN @Arizona
WIN @Washington St.
WIN vs Washington
#2 ranked Strength of Schedule
3 road wins and started season playind 3 of first 4 games on the road, first 5 games against BCS schools.
Dominated one of the top teams in the SEC 50-14 on the road travelling across the country to open the season.
Dominated one of the top teams in the Big 12.
Suffered big time injuries early in season and soon will be getting healthy!
USC keeps on winning, winners of 50 of their last 52 games!
You want USC out of the #2 spot? I don't think so. Like you said, if USC runs the table with their schedule, they deserve to go to the BCS NC game. Given USC has lost so much talent from last year (so young this year) and lost so many key players to injuries, I think USC has been VERY impressive this year. Worthy of the #2 ranking until they lose. I think USC has earned it until it is taken away from them.
Good post blgstocks. Enjoyed reading it and you had good arguments and I agreed with most of what you posted.
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good post scott,
but we are going to have to agree to disagree as usual on the impressiveness of beating an AVG Wash team, a AVG Wash team, the definition of the word dominate(when referring to Neb) and ark being a top SEC team.
Not that it has anything to do with BCS implications, but I would be curious what the ATS record of NC teams the last 5 years, i know texas was 10-2 last year. USC has looked impressive in 1 game so far Scott.
I just hope you see my point which is
I am impressed that freshman arrent gettin their asses handed to them by this schedule.
But to say that these freshman arethe same type of impressive that OSU, Texas, Fla, Tenn, WV, Mich are is a big stretch for me- I think that is where we disagree.
but we are going to have to agree to disagree as usual on the impressiveness of beating an AVG Wash team, a AVG Wash team, the definition of the word dominate(when referring to Neb) and ark being a top SEC team.
Not that it has anything to do with BCS implications, but I would be curious what the ATS record of NC teams the last 5 years, i know texas was 10-2 last year. USC has looked impressive in 1 game so far Scott.
I just hope you see my point which is
I am impressed that freshman arrent gettin their asses handed to them by this schedule.
But to say that these freshman arethe same type of impressive that OSU, Texas, Fla, Tenn, WV, Mich are is a big stretch for me- I think that is where we disagree.
SEC MYTH
SEC doesn't have to play anybody outside their conference because they beat up on each other, but when they do play outside of conf., they usually lose! When the SEC plays in bowl games, their record is below average, in fact this entire decade the mighty SEC has a losing record against BCS teams 58-65.
SEC fans are just going to claim conference superiority without playing anybody else and tanking in bowl games.
You gotta love fans who support the SEC! :hah:
SEC doesn't have to play anybody outside their conference because they beat up on each other, but when they do play outside of conf., they usually lose! When the SEC plays in bowl games, their record is below average, in fact this entire decade the mighty SEC has a losing record against BCS teams 58-65.
SEC fans are just going to claim conference superiority without playing anybody else and tanking in bowl games.
You gotta love fans who support the SEC! :hah:
Scott
I would be willing to bet you wet your pants when Arkansas beat Auburn.
I like to lay moneyline wagers on USC and hope that I will lose.
Good games coming up to do that.
I would be willing to bet you wet your pants when Arkansas beat Auburn.
I like to lay moneyline wagers on USC and hope that I will lose.
Good games coming up to do that.
NO, I actually had a wager on Auburn -13.5 over Arkansas. Arkansas beating AU 27-10 AT AUBURN was all I needed to know about the :hah: TOUGH SEC.
Arky beating AU helped USC a lot in terms of SOS. So that was good for me from a fans perspective.
I don't understand how people are not impressed with USC.
Have they looked like the dominant USC? Hell no but they weren't supposed to this early in the season to begin with. One could argue they won't hit complete machine like stride until next season.
What they have done against non patsy teams is beyond impressive. A new QB alone could be a hassle but to have that along with a completely new backfield & still not trip up says something.
The only reason Florida jumped to #2 is based on "names" of who they beat.
For those who say USC beat a different Arkansas team, get over it. Do you really think any 2-3 players playing that game would have made the final score any different? The game was not close!
Have they looked like the dominant USC? Hell no but they weren't supposed to this early in the season to begin with. One could argue they won't hit complete machine like stride until next season.
What they have done against non patsy teams is beyond impressive. A new QB alone could be a hassle but to have that along with a completely new backfield & still not trip up says something.
The only reason Florida jumped to #2 is based on "names" of who they beat.
For those who say USC beat a different Arkansas team, get over it. Do you really think any 2-3 players playing that game would have made the final score any different? The game was not close!
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4 Michigan 6-0 1429 6
5 West Virginia 5-0 1416 4
6 Texas 5-1 1294 7
7 Louisville 5-0 1247 8
8 Tennessee 5-1 1159 13
9 Notre Dame 5-1 1068 12
10 California 5-1 1017 16
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5 West Virginia 5-0 1416 4
6 Texas 5-1 1294 7
7 Louisville 5-0 1247 8
8 Tennessee 5-1 1159 13
9 Notre Dame 5-1 1068 12
10 California 5-1 1017 16
11 Auburn 5-1 943 2
12 Clemson 5-1 876 15
13 Georgia Tech 5-1 739 18
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I don't usually get into these types of debates as I'm not a fan of any school which I have always thought helps me to stay objective. I live in PAC-10 territory and I'm familiar with many of the northern teams (Bay Area and up) and quite frankly, years ago I made a great living of betting against PAC-10 teams OOC and in the Bowls.
Times have changed and there are some good PAC-10 teams and some that are clearly on their way up. Willingham has done a very good job with the athletes he has and Washington (I predicted they would be the worse team in the PAC-10) has surpassed all expectations and these kids now know how to win....so calling them average might be pushing it.......they aren't a great team, but I think better than average. Their QB created problems for USC yesterday and I was very impressed with Stanbecks ability to keep his composure. There appear to be great things ahead for this Washington program.
My fear for USC is that these latest scares by some "average" teams is going to spell downfall here soon. I would be shocked if this team runs the table and think they may get beat by Notre Dame, CAl, or Oregon...I wouldn't be surprised to see them with two losses come bowl time.
Their secondary is suspect in a pass happy conference (Washington and Washington St showed this).....and CAl is playing at a different level than when they played at TENN. Scott- I applaude your enthusiasm for your team and wish I could claim that type of devotion to any college team. I played 4 years of Div 1 ball (a long time ago) and I can still recognize talent. Carroll is an outstanding Coach but clearly has his work cut out for him. I know you think USC will clobber Notre Dame, but Brady Quinn could very well eat this secondary up and he has some quick receivers to throw to.
I anticipate USC won't be playing in the National Championship this year; although I have been wrong before. If they run the table (like so many have alluded to they certainly deserve it) but that is a big ifff.
I get a kick reading the various posts on this forum that love to tear apart the PAC-10 and of course tell us how great the SEC is.........truth is.....the toughest conference at the moment is the Big 10 and the Big 12 has some pretty good teams too! The point is that arguing strength of conference is ludicrous.........as a former player I know that "any team can beat any team on any given day".......lets just let this season play itself out.....and I think we will see who deserves a shot at the National Champiosnship at the end of the season!
Good Luck Scott with your trojans.......
USC
I don't usually get into these types of debates as I'm not a fan of any school which I have always thought helps me to stay objective. I live in PAC-10 territory and I'm familiar with many of the northern teams (Bay Area and up) and quite frankly, years ago I made a great living of betting against PAC-10 teams OOC and in the Bowls.
Times have changed and there are some good PAC-10 teams and some that are clearly on their way up. Willingham has done a very good job with the athletes he has and Washington (I predicted they would be the worse team in the PAC-10) has surpassed all expectations and these kids now know how to win....so calling them average might be pushing it.......they aren't a great team, but I think better than average. Their QB created problems for USC yesterday and I was very impressed with Stanbecks ability to keep his composure. There appear to be great things ahead for this Washington program.
My fear for USC is that these latest scares by some "average" teams is going to spell downfall here soon. I would be shocked if this team runs the table and think they may get beat by Notre Dame, CAl, or Oregon...I wouldn't be surprised to see them with two losses come bowl time.
Their secondary is suspect in a pass happy conference (Washington and Washington St showed this).....and CAl is playing at a different level than when they played at TENN. Scott- I applaude your enthusiasm for your team and wish I could claim that type of devotion to any college team. I played 4 years of Div 1 ball (a long time ago) and I can still recognize talent. Carroll is an outstanding Coach but clearly has his work cut out for him. I know you think USC will clobber Notre Dame, but Brady Quinn could very well eat this secondary up and he has some quick receivers to throw to.
I anticipate USC won't be playing in the National Championship this year; although I have been wrong before. If they run the table (like so many have alluded to they certainly deserve it) but that is a big ifff.
I get a kick reading the various posts on this forum that love to tear apart the PAC-10 and of course tell us how great the SEC is.........truth is.....the toughest conference at the moment is the Big 10 and the Big 12 has some pretty good teams too! The point is that arguing strength of conference is ludicrous.........as a former player I know that "any team can beat any team on any given day".......lets just let this season play itself out.....and I think we will see who deserves a shot at the National Champiosnship at the end of the season!
Good Luck Scott with your trojans.......
These are just a few examples of things you said that had me rolling on the floor! You have a gift for comedy, maybe you should be writing standup for Leno or Letterman.
As for their brutal schedule, how many ranked teams does USC play on the road this year? Answer: ZERO
Aa for Michigan not being able to beat USC, when ND gives USC all they can handle in LA after Michigan spanked them in South Bend will you be willing to come on here and apologize for spouting this hogwash?
Finally, you're right about that 4-1 being a good bet: IF YOU"RE THE BOOKIE!! :mj07:
With the Buckeyes maintaining control of the No. 1 spot in the poll, the Trojans of Southern Cal fell to the No. 4 spot after another lackluster effort, defeating Washington 26-20. ?SC just plays to the level of their competition,?
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That was only in the AJC and Tony Barnhart's opinion. The Coaches and Harris Poll have SC at #2 and the AP has SC at #3 behind FL
I have no problem with FL being ahead of SC nor with Mich. But the voters have not made that happen across the board yet.
I am curious about your dislike of SC? Is it related to the media, Scott for SC, or something from the past and SC.?
SCott-Atlanta
That was only in the AJC and Tony Barnhart's opinion. The Coaches and Harris Poll have SC at #2 and the AP has SC at #3 behind FL
I have no problem with FL being ahead of SC nor with Mich. But the voters have not made that happen across the board yet.
I am curious about your dislike of SC? Is it related to the media, Scott for SC, or something from the past and SC.?
