UFC 120: "Bisping vs. Akiyama", October 16th, London, England

[The Sponge]

Kick, I'm with the rest of the crowd here. Carlos is the bet in this fight. You can say what you want but he's looked good in the UFC. His one loss was a split decision to a very good fighter. If Carlos gets Hardy down(which I think he will once or twice) the fight will be over. Carlos doesn't lay on people on the ground, he punishes them.

I know you say Hardy should have improved his takedown d by now but you should know that it takes a lot longer than that. The fact that Condit is a dog makes it a descent bet. The ONLY thing that worries me is that it's across the pond.[/QUOTE]

Lay that is another reason i will pass on the fight. I could see Carlos getting Hardy down and a few quick standups hurting Carlos.

 

[gardenweasel]

you really think condit is some sort of joke?.....i really don`t understand why...anybody that goes tooth and nail with mcdonald/kampmann and ellenberger(winning 2 out of 3 in vicious battles) and has finished 24 opponents out of his 25 wins has to be taken seriously,imo....


matter of fact,i`m looking forward to hardy/condit as much as any mma fight in recent memory.....this one really piques my interest...

as a kneejerk reaction,i ltook +145 when it first opened....but i wasn`t thinking venue....and that`s an unforgivable mistake when capping a closely contested bout...

at a neutral venue,i`d feel compelled to take a real substantial shot with condit at +145....but this isn`t a neutral venue....far,far from it...

not foreseeing a hardy stoppage here...condit`s never been stopped short of a submission and that ain`t hardy`s game...and not seeing a condit decision....not in britain.....hardy`s stand-up and counterpucncing is better....i question whether a wispy condit has the strength and pure takedown/wrestling to get hardy down and keep him there...

you just know that hardy spent his whole camp sprawling getting ready for condit....but,i`ve been reading that hardy`s been wrestling and that he might take condit down and submit him.....

stupid...stupid...stupid....he tries getting cute and condit will sub him...if condit gets hardy in the same situations that st pierre did,hardy`s leaving the octagon without an arm...condit`s a killer...he `s not as benevolent as gsp...call me crazy,but i honestly believe that gsp didn`t have the heart to break hardy`s arm.....i can`t think of any other reason why a seasoned guy like st pierre didn`t snap hardy`s arm like a twig...wasn`t anything hardy did....he was dead meat....


condit has better submission skills than st pierre...or at least utilizes them more often and effectively...i think their records bear me out on this...submissions are a condit lynchpin...


of course,st pierre has possibly as large a skillset from which to win fights as maybe any other fighter in mma this side of silva and jon jones....wrestling,stand-up,kicks,punches...athleticism and strength....he`s like a ninja/gymnast...that may be why he doesn`t have more subs....he`s so dominant at several different aspects of the game,he doesn`t need to lean on any one skillset....maybe you could say gsp`s wrestling is his lynchpin...but he`s very good even in his weakest aspect...


i don`t give a shit about who has black belts.....that`s all subjective bullshit/mumbo-jumbo to me....there are plenty of blackbelts out there who`s jits doesn`t transfer to mma....

i only know what i`ve seen and condit`s submission game is top drawer,imo...

condit is tough as nails...as is hardy.....honestly,a stoppage(tko resulting from stand-up) would really surprise me....

not sure condit`s wrestling is good enough...not sure he`s strong enough to make any takedowns he gets stick....but,any time it`s on the ground,hardy`s in jeopardy,imo.....condit gets a neck or an arm,good luck danny...and condit will be dangerous for 15 minutes...great cardio...just ask mcdonald....

hardy has to be very careful with his striking...he has to strike while thinking about condit`s ground game...look at hardy`s ufc career...aside from st pierre,not exactly a murderer`s row of grapplers.....


that`s why i think condit inside and hardy by decision look most likely....

i`m seriously anxious to see this one...

 

[kickserv]

GIZMO SAYS..............

Condit will lose


:00x4

 

[THE_THONG]

Kick, I'm with the rest of the crowd here. Carlos is the bet in this fight. You can say what you want but he's looked good in the UFC. His one loss was a split decision to a very good fighter. If Carlos gets Hardy down(which I think he will once or twice) the fight will be over. Carlos doesn't lay on people on the ground, he punishes them.

I know you say Hardy should have improved his takedown d by now but you should know that it takes a lot longer than that. The fact that Condit is a dog makes it a descent bet. The ONLY thing that worries me is that it's across the pond.[/QUOTE]

Lay that is another reason i will pass on the fight. I could see Carlos getting Hardy down and a few quick standups hurting Carlos.

sponge i will take hardy if u want to do avatar bet with me

-- edit

i mean layinwood :mj07:

 

[The Sponge]

Just watched the Condit Kapman fight again and if anyone thinks that Condit is a joke might want to watch that one again. I thought Condit had more gas going into the third and was surprised that Kapman won that round by out working him. It was a great fight and i was surprised that a guy like Kapman with pretty good hands, couldn't do anything with his hands against Condit. It also was Condit first fight in the UFC so nerves had to be there unless the guy is made out of ice water. It also was the headline fight on the card which also had to bring on some nerves. Kicks whole speil is because Rory lost lol.

 

[kickserv]

Nobody thinks Condit is a joke, he is a good MMA fighter. Just a tad over-rated and lucky. And the dude has a lot of heart.

But the luck will catch up with him, Hardy beats him at home....easily.

 

[kickserv]

If Condit fight was on ice.....this is what will be happening to Condit on Saturday.......


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Condit = :0028

 

[The Sponge]

Nobody thinks Condit is a joke, he is a good MMA fighter. Just a tad over-rated and lucky. And the dude has a lot of heart.

But the luck will catch up with him, Hardy beats him at home....easily.

Kapman barely beat him and only beat him cause he got the takedown and basically controlled Condit in the third round. How is Hardy gonna take him down? I just wish i knew Condit was gonna fight a smart fight like GSP did (against Hardy) because i think he ccould win this one easy.

 

[The Sponge]

If Condit fight was on ice.....this is what will be happening to Condit on Saturday.......


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Condit = :0028

Amazing the refs sit there and basically encourage them to fight when they didn't have to :shrug:

 

[weepaul]

Nobody thinks Condit is a joke, he is a good MMA fighter. Just a tad over-rated and lucky. And the dude has a lot of heart.

But the luck will catch up with him, Hardy beats him at home....easily.

Reverse the names and you have a point.

Hardy is dogshit and come Saturday he becomes mincemeat.

 

[gardenweasel]

why did 5 dimes pull diabate/gustafsson?....

 

[ukgaz]

why did 5 dimes pull diabate/gustafsson?....

It's still there for me:shrug:

 

[gardenweasel]

It's still there for me:shrug:

it`s not there for me...what line are they showing,uk?...

 

[ukgaz]

CD at +100
AG at -120

 

[gardenweasel]

CD at +100
AG at -120

i`m only showing 10 fights on the card...i checked both the regular and alternate site....


hmmmm?.....interesting line....was hoping gustafsson was the dog...

.thanks,partner...appreciated....

 

[ukgaz]

Not sure why not showing for you. Maybe because when I signed up for my account I was living in the UK:shrug: I know that Bodog offers different lines for Europeans and Americans

 

[ukgaz]

Matchbook and Pinnacle have the best lines on Gus at the moment. Not bet on this fight yet. I liked Gustafsson before he entered the UFC but if he trades with Diabate the same way he traded with Hamman then he is in trouble.

This is one of those fights I will probably wait until the weigh-in before deciding to play or pass

 

[Ghost Kid]

The Diabete line is listed under straight bet
but not under parlay
just live chat 5d and they will fix it
its a system glitch

its there
its just not showing up under parlay

 

[gardenweasel]

The Diabete line is listed under straight bet
but not under parlay
just live chat 5d and they will fix it
its a system glitch

its there
its just not showing up under parlay

thanks,bud.....:0074...i`m impressed with gustafsson on film...not sure that diabate is that much better standing....and gustafsson is fairly expeienced for a young guy...


2010-10-16 UFC 120 against Diabate Cyrille
2010-04-10 UFC 112 'Invinsible' Loss (submission) against Davis Phil
2009-11-14 UFC 105 Win by KO against Hamman Jared
2009-05-30 Superior Challenge 3 'Untamed' Win (RSC) against Shemarov Vladimir

2008-11-08 The Zone FC 3 'Shockwave' Win (RSC) against Quetglas Pedro
2008-09-13 Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki Win (judges decision) against Kulak Krzysztof
2008-05-10 The Zone FC 2 'Showdown' Win (RSC) against Minonzio Matteo
2008-03-13 FiteSelektor Win (TKO) against M?ller Florian
2008-02-09 The Zone Fighting Championship 1 Win (RSC) against Fadami Farbod
2007-12-15 Finn Fight Win (TKO) against Haydari Mikael
2007-11-17 Shooto Chicago Collision 4 Win (submission) against Heikola Saku
2007-09-22 FighterGalla 5 'Ready for War' Win by KO against Ryom Jesper
2007-06-09 SSL07 - Gladius Adrenaline 2 Win (RSC) against Zachrison Jan
2007-04-14 SSL07 - Gladius Adrenaline 1 Win (RSC) against Sazesh Sharyar
2007-03-18 SSL07 - Kaisho Battle Win (judges decision) against Nilsson Mats
2007-02-17 SSL07 - Shoot Challenge 1 Win (RSC) against Hansson Anders
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Submission Wrestling:

2009-02-14 Fight Night Nacka 7 Win (submission) against Lee-Klockare Christopher
2006-12-16 Neoblood 15 Win (points) against Forsman Michael

More:

1st place, Grapplers Paradise (2008), -98,9 kg
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1st place, KP Cup Boxing tournament (2009), superheavyweight
1st place, Tensta Box Open (2009), superheavyweight, 5-0 againt David Loy from RBK Vant?r
Nominated to Best Boxer at Tensta Box Open 2009


News:

2010-03-21 The Mauler awarded two prices at Swedish Martial Arts Awards 2010
2010-01-06 Alexander Gustafsson ranked no 1 in Europe
2009-11-15 Documentary with Alexander Gustafsson
2009-07-27 Alexander Gustafsson and Michal Mankiewicz fight at Hell Cage Championship 4 in Prague
2009-06-26 The Mauler and Dragan Tesanovic on Sherdog?s list of the top ten Euro prospects *updated*
2009-04-30 Alexander Gustafsson fights at Superior Challenge 'Untamed' in Stockholm Sweden
2009-04-02 Gustafsson vs. Andriuskevicus on Sherdog's tussles worth watching list
2009-03-01 Alexander Gustafsson winner at Tensta Box Open in Sweden
2009-02-23 Alexander Gustafsson has a new boxing fight coming up in Sweden
2009-02-16 Two wins and two losses at Fight Night Nacka
2009-02-14 Stockholm Shoot at Fight Night Nacka
2008-11-24 Alexander 'The Mauler' has accepted to fight at The Zone 4 in Sweden
2008-11-17 Alexander Gustafsson fights in Russia *updated*
2008-10-20 Alexander Gustafssons's opponent at The Zone FC 3 is announced
2008-09-22 Alexander 'The Mauler' Gustafsson winner at Grapplers Paradise in Sweden
2008-09-15 Alexander 'The Mauler' Gustavsson winner at KSW Extra in Poland
2008-08-20 Alexander 'The Mauler' Gustafsson has accepted to fight at The Zone FC 3 in Gothenburg Sweden
2008-04-11 Alexander Gustafsson's opponent at The Zone FC is announced
2008-03-13 Alexander Gustafsson winner at FiteSelektor in Dubai
2008-02-17 Alexander Gusfavsson at FightSelector
2008-01-03 Alexander Gustavsson has accepted to fight at The Zone Fighting Championship
2007-12-17 Alexander Gustavsson and Markus Niskanen winners at FinnFight
2007-12-07 New opponent for Alexander Gustavsson at FinnFight
2007-11-18 The results from Shooto Chicago Collision 4 in Finland are up
2007-11-07 Nicholas Musoke joins the other fighters from Shooters MMA at Shooto Chicago Collision 4 in Finland
2007-10-31 Fighters from Shooters MMA Fight Team compete at Angered Centrum Box Cup in Sweden
2007-10-29 Alexander Gustavsson fights at Shooto Chicago Collision 4 in Finland



the cane loss to diabate?...the height was an obvious factor...and that was the second consecutive lefty that tooled cane standing(lil nog being the first)....

a lefty that couldn`t handle lefties?.....maybe...

 

[ukgaz]

Good info GW. Gustafsson is a solid prospect and one of Europe's best. I don't read to much in to his defeat by Davis = Davis will be a force in the division for years to come and there is no shame in losing to him.

I wonder if he will struggle to make weight in the future as he grows in to that 6'5 frame