UFC 134: Rio ? Silva vs. Okami 2 August 27, 2011

[ukgaz]

UFC 134: Rio ? Silva vs. Okami 2
Date: August 27, 2011
Venue: HSBC Arena
Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil

Main Bouts (On Pay-Per-View):
Anderson Silva (28-4) vs. Yushin Okami (26-5)
Mauricio ?Shogun? Rua (19-5) vs. Forrest Griffin (18-6)
Brendan Schaub (8-1) vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1)
Ross Pearson (12-4) vs. Edson Barboza Jr. (8-0)
Luis Cane (11-3) vs. Stanislav Nedkov (11-0)

Preliminary Bouts (On Spike TV):
Paulo Thiago (13-3) vs. David Mitchell (11-1)
Thiago Tavares (15-4-1) vs. Spencer Fisher (24-7)

Preliminary Bouts:
Mike Swick (14-4) vs. Erick Silva (12-1)
Rousimar Palhares (12-3) vs. Dan Miller (13-5)
Yuri Alcantara (24-3) vs. Antonio Carvalho (13-4)
Yves Jabouin (15-7) vs. Ian Loveland (14-8)
Raphael Assuncao vs. Johnny Eduardo

 

[ukgaz]

Played Okami already. I don't think he is the better fighter or that a prime Okami could not beat a prime Silva

But...
This play is about age and injuries. Silva is probably the greatest fighter ever. His list of accomplishments are quite amazing

Current UFC Middleweight Champion
Shooto Middleweight Champion
Last Cage Rage Middleweight Champion
Longest UFC title reign
Most successful title defenses (Eight)
Most consecutive wins in the UFC (Thirteen)
8 UFC bonus awards

But he is 36 and has a style where speed and reflexes are a huge part of his game. Those attributes will leave him one day. And when it does it will be against an underdog.

Is Okami that underdog:shrug: Not sure but he is a top 185 who is powerful and is strong in the clinch. The clinch is also Silva's strong point so something will give

At these odds this is a very tempting play

 

[The Sponge]

One fight i like already is Big Nog. I know people think Nog is basically washed up and i think so to but this is an anti Schaub play. I think experience wins here as soon as this hits the ground. Schaub to me is overrated and he is one of his biggest fans. I don't think Schaub has much power either so maybe Nogs china chin hangs in there a bit. Nog has to prove something and in Brazil i think he does it.

After the Machida fight i thought Shogun would kill Forrest if they ever fought again but u nevver know which Shogun is gonna show up so im not even interested in that fight (betting wise).

I think Okami is gonna get blitz. He does have the style to beat Silva but i think we are gonna see something special out of Silva in this one. Maybe a flying knee to the first takedown. Or maybe a flying Condit.

 

[ukgaz]

Schaub's record on paper looks quite good. The defeat to Nelson was a learning curve then he has 4 wins which can be misleading

Gormley started his career with promise but fell short as the opponents got better, dropping 4 out of the last 5

Tuchscherer has a padded record

The win against Gonzaga on paper looks impressive. But GG never lived up to his early UFC form and Couture took away any confidence he had of being a champion. When Schaub met him his career has a top 15 heavyweight was well over

Mirko is a legend but his prime ended in 2005/6. He did well against Schaub but in truth he is going to struggle against a modern day UFC heavyweight.


I think at the end of this event we will add Nogueria's name to the list. He has just had surgery to both knees as well as hip surgery. His head and body has taken a huge amount of punishment and in truth his time is over at this level. Like Mirko and GG a prime Nogueira wins this. We are a long way from that. And Schaub has enough power to put Nog away. But at these odds a play on Schaub is a no no

 

[The Sponge]

Ukg can u take" posting the main card" threads over? You do a nice job. Kickserv has become basically useless when he was the man at this. I think Bucks is in his head. Kicks has now taking over the discussion threads :facepalm: Just don't post them a month early like u did UFC 133. I think u are the reason the card changed so much. :142smilie

Weasel and Whatshisnuts try but they leave out to many details :0008

 

[ukgaz]

Ukg can u take" posting the main card" threads over? You do a nice job. Kickserv has become basically useless when he was the man at this. I think Bucks is in his head. Kicks has now taking over the discussion threads :facepalm: Just don't post them a month early like u did UFC 133. I think u are the reason the card changed so much. :142smilie

Weasel and Whatshisnuts try but they leave out to many details :0008

:toast:

It's not Kick's fault. Wales>Canada. It is that simple:0008

 

[gardenweasel]

already down on a barbosa/rua parlay at even money.....love that home cookin`.....

 

[ukgaz]

already down on a barbosa/rua parlay at even money.....love that home cookin`.....

Tempted to join you on that but with Rua I have to wait for the weigh ins to see what he looks like

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Just don't have a clue how Okami beats Anderson. I actually happen to think Anderson makes quick work of Okami. It's in Brazil, I expect a highlight show.

Silva, Rua, Barbosa, Cane all parlayed will be on my plays for sure. Will probably do a combo of those plays as "2 teamers as well."

I also like Loveland and Palhares

 

[kickserv]

ukgaz always misses the :canada1


One day he'll be at the "kickserv level", he is close though.



Edson Barboza is a rather big fave.....but I think he rolls the Brit.


Also don't count out Forest at +180, when nobody expects him to win, that is when he is dangerous. Remember the last fight? Same thing happening now. Shogun got smashed against Jones, and he is under pressure now to win in front of home crowd. Won't be easy like everyone thinks.

 

[layinwood]

One fight i like already is Big Nog. I know people think Nog is basically washed up and i think so to but this is an anti Schaub play. I think experience wins here as soon as this hits the ground. Schaub to me is overrated and he is one of his biggest fans. I don't think Schaub has much power either so maybe Nogs china chin hangs in there a bit. Nog has to prove something and in Brazil i think he does it.

After the Machida fight i thought Shogun would kill Forrest if they ever fought again but u nevver know which Shogun is gonna show up so im not even interested in that fight (betting wise).

I think Okami is gonna get blitz. He does have the style to beat Silva but i think we are gonna see something special out of Silva in this one. Maybe a flying knee to the first takedown. Or maybe a flying Condit.

Sponge, I would stay very clear of Nog. If you can look around(maybe I will) you can find a pretty recent BJJ comp where Nog got beat by some random guy(not elite). Like Ukgaz said, he's had too many surgeries of late. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of his body parts fall off in the ring. :sadwave:

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, I would stay very clear of Nog. If you can look around(maybe I will) you can find a pretty recent BJJ comp where Nog got beat by some random guy(not elite). Like Ukgaz said, he's had too many surgeries of late. Seriously, I wouldn't be surprised to see one of his body parts fall off in the ring. :sadwave:

yeah i didn't hear about all these surgery's. Got to check that out.

 

[DeFactoCrippler]

One fight i like already is Big Nog. I know people think Nog is basically washed up and i think so to but this is an anti Schaub play. I think experience wins here as soon as this hits the ground. Schaub to me is overrated and he is one of his biggest fans. I don't think Schaub has much power either so maybe Nogs china chin hangs in there a bit. Nog has to prove something and in Brazil i think he does it.

I've been parlaying Schaub with stuff since the line came out.

The UFC are definitely grooming this kid, giving him the easiest fights with the best returns for the least risk.

He faced Gonzaga who everyone knew was shot, and they made it like Schaub was some giant killer, riding his nuts the whole time. Schaubs boxing looked great, but Gonzaga also looked like total shit, and hasn't fought since then with nothing on the horizon either.

Then they gave him crocop, a legend past his prime. If Schaub wins it means instant recognition all across the MMA world and another huge name on his resume. Admittedly, he didn't look as good as I expected in that fight, but he still kfto crocop and it showcased his power (he ko'd some clown on the TUF show as well).

Now they are giving him another legend that is wayyy over the hill, on one the of the biggest events in UFC history. Chael Sonnen said it best about Nog a while back. Ukgaz brought up great points about the surgery and even losing a grappling contest to a nobody.

Nog hasn't fought in about a year and a half since he got ktfo by Cain. I suspect this will be his final fight. A send off in front of his fans, kinda like Randy Couture. And at the same time creating a new HW contender where one is desperately needed.

 

[BUCSnotYUCKS]

Nog hasn't fought in about a year and a half since he got ktfo by Cain. I suspect this will be his final fight. A send off in front of his fans, kinda like Randy Couture. And at the same time creating a new HW contender where one is desperately needed.

Not a chance. Nog was out because of his hip. I gurantee this isn't his last fight.

 

[DeFactoCrippler]

Not a chance. Nog was out because of his hip. I gurantee this isn't his last fight.

Both knees and a hip :shrug: I think the only reason he is fighting is be be part of an epic card in Rio, pay for his surgeries and set himself monetarily for a future outside the UFC.

I don't think he had the surgeries to prolong his career, but just so he could live comfortably and continue training fighters in BJJ. (Which is what he will most likely be doing post UFC whether he retires after this fight or not).

That wouldn't be happening to Nog in his prime, no way. Schaubs hands are a helluva lot better than Cain, or Mir also.

 

[THE_THONG]

i want to bet on nog but can't trust his chin

it's like dust like wanderlei's

 

[The Sponge]

Both knees and a hip :shrug: I think the only reason he is fighting is be be part of an epic card in Rio, pay for his surgeries and set himself monetarily for a future outside the UFC.

I don't think he had the surgeries to prolong his career, but just so he could live comfortably and continue training fighters in BJJ. (Which is what he will most likely be doing post UFC whether he retires after this fight or not).

That wouldn't be happening to Nog in his prime, no way. Schaubs hands are a helluva lot better than Cain, or Mir also.

u sure do like Schaub a lot better than i do. Im not at all impressed with this guy. As for the UFC grooming him well this isn't the NFL where a crooked ref step in and make calls to help shitty teams. If u are not very good in this sport u will be exposed just like Amir was a few nights ago. I think if the Nog who fought Randy is still around he beats this guy. Im not gonna get on Nog because of his fight with Cain. He got caught. It happens. Cain is a whole different animal then Schaub. Schaub could have improved a lot the last few months of training and that has me worried. Anyone who plays in the NFL has that type of ability. Im not ready to throw dirt on NOg just yet especially against this guy.

 

[DeFactoCrippler]

i want to bet on nog but can't trust his chin

I think a lot of it has to do with him getting older and his reflexes being shot as well.

 

[DeFactoCrippler]

As for the UFC grooming him well this isn't the NFL where a crooked ref step in and make calls to help shitty teams. If u are not very good in this sport u will be exposed just like Amir was a few nights ago.

I'm not saying by "grooming" him they guarantee him wins, but they are giving him the best fights possible for his career, because they see he has a future.

For instance, the whole "you have to beat a legend to be a legend". Schaub has already done that with crocop. if he wins everyone says "OMG this kid is amazing" and if he loses, so what, he's a young and still maturing.

Huge returns for a very small risk. I'm sure every young HW would love to fight gonzaga, crocop, or nog right now to make a name for themselves.

Arguably, if shaub was overrated he would have been exposed by someone like Gonzaga :shrug:

I know what your saying about Sadollah, but I never thought they were grooming him or throwing him a bone. I always thought he was a focking pussy who had no business fighting.

Shaub was golden gloves champ, wrestling background, played college ball at colorado for 4 years so they know he is a serious athlete who is capable of competing at a high level.

Plus he has finished every fight in the UFC with his hands (except Gonzaga), which is what the fans want.

I feel they are just trying to build a resume for this kid. If he beats Nog I suspect they give him a title shot, or atleast a title eliminator. There really are no other relevant contenders at HW right now.

 

[The Sponge]

For instance, the whole "you have to beat a legend to be a legend". Schaub has already done that with crocop. if he wins everyone says "OMG this kid is amazing" and if he loses, so what, he's a young and still maturing.

.

Are people gonna really say that? I would think people would say he beat another washed up fighter :142smilie