They are? Do your homework rook. Herring's only been finished 5 times, only 1 being via SUB in his 42 fight career. Not many fighters who's faced the who's who can say that.
UFC 87: Seek and Destroy - Aug 9th, Minneapolis, MN
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They are? Do your homework rook. Herring's only been finished 5 times, only 1 being via SUB in his 42 fight career. Not many fighters who's faced the who's who can say that.
My final opinions are
Brock will make great fade material in the future.
BJ has a great chance to beat GSP if he goes to the ground.
I though BJ made a big mistake last time trying to keep the fight standing as when GSP took him down, BJ was using his legs like a set of arms and had GSP locked up and looking uncomfortable on the ground.
Brock will make great fade material in the future.
BJ has a great chance to beat GSP if he goes to the ground.
I though BJ made a big mistake last time trying to keep the fight standing as when GSP took him down, BJ was using his legs like a set of arms and had GSP locked up and looking uncomfortable on the ground.
All those guys Herring fought are they the same caliber of fighters Fitch fought? This division just like in Boxing(heavyweights) stinks. I love to see Brock take on Barnett right now. Have we even saw Brock take one on the chin yet? JUst because his jawi looks big and strong doesn't mean its not made out of glass.
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You guys can go against Brock but you won't see me doing it. I don't LIKE him AT ALL. He was everything I hate in sports with his antics but his power is something we haven't seen before. Also, he's very freaking quick. There were two times Sat night I thought he would get hit pretty good but he ducked or moved. Someone with great BJJ will give him problems but for how long? What if he has two more fights in the next year, good HWs but nobody too good and then in a year he's had all of this trainging. He won't be any good an JJ but he'll be able to defend it. His learning curve is a lot shorter than most because he's only learning how to defend it, he doesn't need to know how to submit people. In a year he'll be very good, in two years he could be scary. I hope it's not the case because he acts like a douche in the cage but he obviously is a hard worker and the physical skills are off the charts.
he`s awfully raw...but,yeah,i was very surprised at his quickness....
i think to much emphasis is being put on herring as some sort of barometer...
styles make fights and as we saw,herring`s style played right into lesnar`s strength...
i was very surprised that when they were standing with space,that herring basically rushed right into the clinch with lesner instead of trying keep distance and hope to hit the jackpot with a lucky punch.....he didn`t know he couldn`t out-wrestle that hulk?....
whatever one thinks of herring as a fighter,he sucks as a strategist.....
sun tzu he ain`t...
lesnar`s gonna overwhelm most everybody outside the top 10 heavies...and some in the top 10(the heavies are a bit thin on talent,imo).....
he`s sooo big...
honestly,i`m still surprised that mir was able to sub him....
i`m withholding judgement till i see him in a few more fights with more well rounded,thinking fighters...
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GW, think of how differently his fight with Mir could have been if the ref didn't stand it up because of the hit to the back of the head. I still think that was BS, normally the ref gives one or two warnings first.
Saying all of this, I don't want someone to submit Lesnar because then everyone will say that's the only thing that can beat him. I want someone to knock him the heck out. Maybe we can get a freak matchup with him vs Bob Sapp.
Saying all of this, I don't want someone to submit Lesnar because then everyone will say that's the only thing that can beat him. I want someone to knock him the heck out. Maybe we can get a freak matchup with him vs Bob Sapp.
Basically what i was trying to say. Lets see a little more of him before we cannonize him. He turns out to have a jaw like Fitch then he is gonna be a big problem for anyone as long as he sticks with it and gets the necessary experience. when he landed that punch he charge like a bull in a china shop. If Herring had some wits about him a nicely placed knee could have finished Brock right there because Brock had his head down. One of BJ Penns specialties.
Think how different the Mir fight would have been had Brock used come sense not to try and step over a guy on the ground and hand him his leg.
Brock is going to be very hard to KO because of his style.He wants to overpower you and get you to the ground. If he doesn't learn to finish then ALL ground fighters will beat him.
Right now he can't beat Mir,Nog,Gonzaga,or Werdum. ALL would submit him.
He will probably fight Cain next and probably beat him in the same boring ground and pound way as Herring.
I don't see many fighters being able to get Brock on the ground, yet alone beat him on the ground. Look at all the rolling and such that Herring attempted and Brock, only 3 fights into MMA showed great wrestling. We have to remember, he's LEARNING as he goes. I don't think Frank Mir catches him in that sub if they fight again, I really don't.
I'm not saying the guy is the best HW in the world, not by any means. However, he's a legit fighter and has the TALENT, not the skill yet, but the TALENT to be scarrrry good.
His speed, agility, endurance, and aggression will give him a chance against any fighter who doesn't have good striking. I can honestly say that give Brock another 3-4 fights under his belt, if he were to fight the guys you mentioned, I would take Brock.
Joe Rogan pretty much summed it up best. Brock Lesnar isn't just a HW, he's a guy that walks around at 290 lbs, cuts down to 265 and is faster, quicker, and stronger than any other HW. That is one scary thing to think about.
MMA in the aspect of talent is no different then any other sport. Alot of them work their asses off and become good athletes. Alot of guys are just GIFTED. Brock was one of those Athletes who was simply gifted with unreal talent and if he works as hard as the top hard workers, he will have a very succesful career, and one day hold the HW title.
I'm not saying the guy is the best HW in the world, not by any means. However, he's a legit fighter and has the TALENT, not the skill yet, but the TALENT to be scarrrry good.
His speed, agility, endurance, and aggression will give him a chance against any fighter who doesn't have good striking. I can honestly say that give Brock another 3-4 fights under his belt, if he were to fight the guys you mentioned, I would take Brock.
Joe Rogan pretty much summed it up best. Brock Lesnar isn't just a HW, he's a guy that walks around at 290 lbs, cuts down to 265 and is faster, quicker, and stronger than any other HW. That is one scary thing to think about.
MMA in the aspect of talent is no different then any other sport. Alot of them work their asses off and become good athletes. Alot of guys are just GIFTED. Brock was one of those Athletes who was simply gifted with unreal talent and if he works as hard as the top hard workers, he will have a very succesful career, and one day hold the HW title.
They wont need to get Brock to the ground. Once Brock takes them to the ground then the good ones will turn it around on him.Herring was willing to give up his back MANY times to escape the ground and pound. THAT TELLS YOU WHAT HE THINKS OF BROCKS ABILITY TO SUBMIT HIM.
All guys with submission moves will be able to counter Brock on top of them.
All guys with submission moves will be able to counter Brock on top of them.
Surprised Brock didn't take over the NFL when he tried out. It is well known that a 60 pounds lighter Kurt Angle use to shoot with him all the time in the WWE and get the better of him each time. Now with The Big Show, who is just a giant, Brock threw him around like a rag doll. One had talent and the other one had nothing but size.
On another note i remember a time when Brock was leaving the WWE to try out for the NFL and the fans started chanting "you sold out" "you sold out" What does Brock do? Gives them all the finger. Pretty sure it was his last match in WWE. That is the cocky prick Brock is. What he did in the ring after the fight is just the way he is. I wonder why he wasn't doing that type of stuff when Mir beat him in 30 seconds.
Back to the WWE incident he could have just walked out. Those people help pay for that big contract of his and cheered him most of his career. He is well aware the whole thing is staged but Brock had to be Brock. The guy has a big chip on his shoulder. If he wins a couple more matches i bet everyone in here will hate this guy. Nothing humble about him.
On another note i remember a time when Brock was leaving the WWE to try out for the NFL and the fans started chanting "you sold out" "you sold out" What does Brock do? Gives them all the finger. Pretty sure it was his last match in WWE. That is the cocky prick Brock is. What he did in the ring after the fight is just the way he is. I wonder why he wasn't doing that type of stuff when Mir beat him in 30 seconds.
Back to the WWE incident he could have just walked out. Those people help pay for that big contract of his and cheered him most of his career. He is well aware the whole thing is staged but Brock had to be Brock. The guy has a big chip on his shoulder. If he wins a couple more matches i bet everyone in here will hate this guy. Nothing humble about him.
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y`know what was scary?....
when lesne(a)r? knocked herring down in the 1st with that right?.....
did anybody notice that this 290 pound s.o.b. tried to spear herring while he was on the ground?....
he could have killed him....he took a running start and drove himself into herring head first and just missed decapitating him........
now,that was scary...
i don`t think that was legal...:shrug:
when lesne(a)r? knocked herring down in the 1st with that right?.....
did anybody notice that this 290 pound s.o.b. tried to spear herring while he was on the ground?....
he could have killed him....he took a running start and drove himself into herring head first and just missed decapitating him........
now,that was scary...
i don`t think that was legal...:shrug:
That is why i said in a previous post that if Herring had some wits about him he could have finished Brock right there with a knee because Brocks head was down. BI Penn is great at that. When he hits those wrestlers he always knows they are gonna bail out and try to take him down with their next move and then he throws the knee. Brock charged him like a bull in a china shop. Then again if Herring hit Brock with a knee and Brock ran right thru it, Herring would have been better off just hoping out of the cage. I doubt if that is illegal Wease, this isn't football.
Just now got to watch all the fights....
"Idiot of the Year" award has been given to Jason McDonald for being.... well.......... the idiot of the year. :scared He should be kind to the human race and remove himself from the gene pool for trying to grapple w/ a guy who.... well......... grapples for a living.
Sometimes being a tough dude is just not enough in the case of Jon Fitch. I expected him to be well prepared to defend takedowns and be much more aggressive. I also expected him to land at least 3-4 decent punches. :mj07: Not the case.
GSP's punching power was the only thing that i didnt exactly see coming. The changes he has made in his strength training seem to be paying off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aClZxAfsJ7M
I spent my high school years in Albuquerque and my parents still live there. Maybe next time I visit ill go get Georges' autograph and taunt kickserv w/ it. :142smilie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDhJhILMJhQ&feature=related
MMA record now stands at -4.44 (since 6/21/08)........... oh yea.. did i mention Jason Mcdonald is an idiot.
"Idiot of the Year" award has been given to Jason McDonald for being.... well.......... the idiot of the year. :scared He should be kind to the human race and remove himself from the gene pool for trying to grapple w/ a guy who.... well......... grapples for a living.
Sometimes being a tough dude is just not enough in the case of Jon Fitch. I expected him to be well prepared to defend takedowns and be much more aggressive. I also expected him to land at least 3-4 decent punches. :mj07: Not the case.
GSP's punching power was the only thing that i didnt exactly see coming. The changes he has made in his strength training seem to be paying off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aClZxAfsJ7M
I spent my high school years in Albuquerque and my parents still live there. Maybe next time I visit ill go get Georges' autograph and taunt kickserv w/ it. :142smilie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDhJhILMJhQ&feature=related
MMA record now stands at -4.44 (since 6/21/08)........... oh yea.. did i mention Jason Mcdonald is an idiot.
I like wht Jason did.....he was actually doing quite well. :shrug: Not sure why you would call him an idiot:shrug:
Idiot of the year was Sherk against Penn.....Sherks game plan was beyond moronic.
Oh and GSP autograph...that's nothing.....now if you can get a nice big hug from him....that is worth something:scared
Idiot of the year was Sherk against Penn.....Sherks game plan was beyond moronic.
Oh and GSP autograph...that's nothing.....now if you can get a nice big hug from him....that is worth something:scared
Nope. Sherk would have been finished even quicker on the ground. :SIB That fight was going wherever BJ wanted it anyhow.
McDonald is an incredible idiot. He chose to play to the only strength Maia has. He had a couple nice transitions, but was never close to subbing Maia... Maia's defense was perfect at all times and he escaped at will.
The fight only hit the ground b/c McDonald put it there. He clinches, Maia is going to pull guard. DUH. Dont phucking clinch and put yourself in the most dangerous guard the UFC has to offer. GET IT????????????? McDonald would have won if he came out w/ a competent strategy; keep it standing and stay away from the ground shark.
McDonald didnt attempt to spend even one round on his feet. As Maia made a takedown attempt, McDonald just plopped on top of him and put the fight exactly where Maia wanted it.
"Idiot of the Year" :00x23 remains in the hands of Jason McDonald.... no contest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pImvS0OuQdU
Seriously........ do u get it now??? :142slap:
I don't get it.............
As for Sherk.....not sure what fight you were watching, but Sherk's gameplan was beyond the realm of stupid.
I have never seen a dumber fighter in the Octagon then when I saw Sherk vs. Penn....Penn didn't win that fight it was given to him by a stupid Sherk.
Sh*t, even Kalib Starnes tried one takedown in his last UFC fight:142smilie
You are banned 4 minutes for idiot post of the hour:142smilie
As for Sherk.....not sure what fight you were watching, but Sherk's gameplan was beyond the realm of stupid.
I have never seen a dumber fighter in the Octagon then when I saw Sherk vs. Penn....Penn didn't win that fight it was given to him by a stupid Sherk.
Sh*t, even Kalib Starnes tried one takedown in his last UFC fight:142smilie
You are banned 4 minutes for idiot post of the hour:142smilie
Sherk had no prayer on the feet or the ground :mj07: so why does it matter?!?! :mj07:
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