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Thought I would start an early thread off
Personally I think that Woods IS beatable (cue egg on face) with only 2 par 5's and one of those unreachable in 2 the course set up will help the opposition.
I have personally backed Garcia at 50/1 and 40/1 in the past few weeks as he is in a great run of form, the Colonial winner has an amazing record on this course, and he is one of the few players who I think could go head to head with Woods
On a more speculative note Bet and Win put up some very odd prices about some players last week (unfortunately these were win only and have strangely disappeared!)
Calcavecchia 200-1
Weir 200-1
Cabrera 200-1
Verplank 300-1
Cink 400-1
I couldn't resist and had to have a few quid to win on each
 

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Ian,

If you can, get me down for limit plays on all of those...especially Weir and Cink!!!

To the Rest of the Board,

Camelot Sportsbook is happy to announce that we will be offering the following special events for the U.S. Open:

1. At least one matchup that involves EVERY player in the field. The way this will work is that there will be 2 pages of matchups for the Tournament...1 page for the "major" matchups at full wagering limits and 1 page for the lesser known players at somewhat reduced wagering limits.

2. You can also wager on the total score of EVERY player in the field on a daily basis. The way this will work is that there will be 2 pages of totals for the Tournament...1 page for the "major" players at full wagering limits and 1 page for the lesser known players at somewhat reduced wagering limits.

3. Daily matchups will vary, but for Rounds 3 and 4, any player who makes the cut will be availabe for wagering in at least one matchup.

4. All of this will be subject to weather limitations as it has been raining and raining and raining and raining and raining in the United States for the better part of 2 months now.
 

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When are you planning to put up all your matchups? - I need lots of time for research
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Ian,

That is precisely why they will be posted as late as possible...just kidding. Actually, the plan is to have them up by Tuesday at 5 PM Eastern Time. We have also toyed with the idea of posting them as they become available...so 5 matchups might go up Monday Night, another 15 Tuesday morning, etc...until they were all up by late Tuesday evening. The totals may take a bit longer, but they will be up by Wednesday morning. At the very least, players will have 24-48 hours to fire away...

Anyone have any ideas for anything new that we have not yet offered? If it's interesting and not terribly time consuming, I'll consider adding it. And don't say place betting...
 

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Mark a good idea for a new golf bet is a bet used in the UK by Multisports a teletext bookie they offer overs and unders on Finishing Positions 1.85 each side I am sure you could offer 1.9 in the English Open this week they offered Westwood 18/19 obviously if you fancy him you bet 18 or under and if you oppose him you bet 19 or over Woods opening quote would be about 2/3 but it works better for other players in this bet you would have the option of moving either the quote or the price it is an interesting alternative to the Spread betting FP markets where they would quote Westwood 17/21 and keep 18 19 and 20 for the book Doonhamer
PS I will open an account this week
 

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Mark: Got a question. I noticed you said don't say place betting also Spiro unlike EW Euro betting always post his show only wagers several days later than his win when he knows they will be 1/4 of his win odds.
Is there an added risk to the place only aspect? I have always thought place only on posted odds and no divvies on tie was best bang for buck on outrights an was curious on your take from bookmakers position to either confirm or negate my suspicions.
 

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U.S. Open notes,courtesy of Nick Price in Sports Illustrated..
Southern Hills combines narrow,thoughtfully contoured fairways with small tricky greens. If a player can bend the ball off the tee, he can use the sloping fairways to his advantage. The 14 driving holes call for 5 straight shots, 5 draws, and 4 fades. It is also critical to keep the ball below the hole because almost all the greens slope severly from back to front. Players must contend with 2 elements not usually found at Open venues. First Bermuda rough, a ball hit in Bermuda tends to sink to the bottom. Secondly,the hot hard wind not only dries out the greens, but also seems to swirl or blow across the holes at funny angles, making it difficult to judge shots. There are 3 killer par fours to watch--#2 467 yards the second shot is the most demanding on the course--#12 456 yards scariest tee shot on course, feels like you're hitting thru tunnel, if drive in rough hole becomes par 5--#18 466 yards the drive must be a fade to end up in a flat spot 280 yards out, however water in play with a driver, a shot that doesn't fade could get wet. If you lay back with a 3 wood your long iron approach will be from a severe downhill lie to an uphill green....
I guess the question is who can handle these type of conditions to be able challenge Tiger?
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I'll go out on the limb here, Tiger doesn't win. Yes, he's playing out of his mind, but I don't think he wins here. This course is a great equalizer. Tiger's length, most notably with his long irons, will not be that much of a boom. Throw out the '96 Tour Championship, I will look more at the Open at Congressional. Same type of course.

With a par 70, Tiger's dominance of the 5 pars is negated. And one of the par 5s is 642 - a HUGE equalizer. Not even Tiger will be able to get there in 2 - but everyone will have a wedge in on their 3rd shot.

Tiger is an amazing driver of the ball - when he doesn't have to shape the ball. His new high soft fade drive is amazingly straight. But when he has to hit fades he often blocks the ball right, and has been known to snap hook a few drives when he has to hit a high draw. This course, like Congressional, will test him.

The biggest problem with going against Tiger is the mental dominance he has over EVERYONE. Everyone crumbles when they have to go against him.

I like the players that drive the ball straight and can putt.

I honestly think we have a first time Major winner this week. My money is on Duval, Bjorn and Cink.

[This message has been edited by Bonovox (edited 06-11-2001).]
 

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ok if tiger is not going to win then who beats him. i agree it is hard to bet on him but i think it's even harder to find someone who can beat him. as far as par 5's go, it will be the same for all competitors thus making the reachable one even more important and you know tiger has an advantage there.

U.S. Open requires putting,awesome short game and hitting the fairway. all to tigers liking. Tiger uses irons off the tee, most others will use woods. other people 4 iron to the green tiger 7 iron. Thus allowing tiger to get the ball to land softer and get closer to the pins. I think this course sets up well for tiger period.

It his hard to bet on him but i think it's even harder to find someone else besides him. Don't be suprised if he is the only one under par again. Will be hard to continue his brutal assault on the major records.

Booby Jones said Jack Nicklaus plays a game I am unfamiliar with. Nicklaus says Tiger plays a game that I could have never duplicated and am not familiar with. We all are waiting for the fall don't be suprised if he doesn't rip off all four majors this year.

I see more value in matchups, but if i do decide to play against him, i'm looking for accuracy, putting and chipping skilled players. gl to all
 

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Anyone check out BETINTERNET.COM? They supposedly had Tiger+100/field-111 on offer. Seems like a big difference from other outs, and reasonable scalp, if you are of the belief that Tiger will fail this week. I was tempted by it a little, but I'm not ballsy enough to bet against a guy who has won 5 out of the last 6 majors! Plus, I never heard of this out before and don't really need another for one bet.

GL
 

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The point is, if you don't think Tiger will win, you can get great odds on other players -- you don't need to pick the winner.

Who can face down Tiger? I like Bjorn. He crumbled at Pebble and learned an incredible lesson. He took it to Tiger on the last 18 at Dubai. He wants another shot and he's got the game, that's for sure.

By the way, with Par 4's measuring 454, 467, 456, 491, and 466 and a par 5 of 642, Tiger will not be hitting very many long irons off the tee. That doesn't mention the wind. If any of those holes are into the dry, hot wind, they will be must-driver holes.

Tiger's distance will not be that much of a help. On the long par 4s that I mentioned, only one will give a huge advantage. On the 454, #1, everyone will be able to hit a wedge or 9 or 8 into the green. On the 471 #2, there is a 235 carry. Look to see a lot of drivers and a 3 wood from Tiger. I doubt you'll see him hit iron here. The biggest advatage is on #12, 456 yards where Tiger can hit iron and everyone else will have to hit driver. On the 491 #16, you need to carry the ball about 280 -- everyone will hit driver. And on the 18th, 466 yards, the drive is a lay-up below the creek. His power game is really negated. He'll have to use driver when everyone else uses driver and when he uses irons and 3 woods, everyone will be able to.

And, despite the above post, the par 5's makes a huge differnce. At 642 yards, it is a HUGE equalizer. Suppose Tiger hits a 320 drive, he's still 320 out. What does he do? He lays up to a full wedge. If someone else hits it 280, what does he do? He lays up to a full wedge. A really long par 5 is the biggest equalizer against length unless it can be reached. #5 can't be reached unless there is a strong back wind. Even if Tiger bombs his drive off the elevated tees, its uphill to the green. This isn't a 590 par 5 where Tiger and only Tiger can reach this. Everyone will be hitting wedges in -- and there is no difference between a 30 yard pitch and a 90 yard pitch. In fact, you may see Tiger lay up to 90.

Look for Tiger to hit a ton of those knock down 3 woods on the par 4s. That's the shot he didn't have at Congressional.

What hole is Tiger going to hit 7 and others hit 4? Not too many. Tiger may hit 4 and the others hit 2, but this course is much more even than Pebble. This course has long par 4s (454, 471, 456, 491, 466) and short par 4s (368, 382, 374, 374, 365) and only 2 par 4s that will greatly benefit Tiger (408 & 412).

All that said, if Tiger starts rolling his flat stick, forget about it. If he starts draining every 15 footer he sees, as he did at Pebble, etch the trophy now.

I wish Monty's back wasn't acting up, this would be a perfect course for him. Long, accurate driver with a natural fade. Great long irons. I just can't back him, pun intended. Lehman is very intriguing - he was so strong at Congressional.

I love Bjorn. Was second at Pebble before fading, second at the British, Third at the PGA and beat Tiger by 2 at Dubai.

And guess who he's paired with on Thursday...

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Also backed Lehman at 50-1 Ladbrokes before he went out for his final round yesterday, that will do for outrights and will look towards match bets and specials as there will be lots of different markets
 

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Says much for the Euro challenge that Faldo is so high up in the Euro only market, the only credible challengers seem to be Parnevik and Garcia, with perhaps Bjorn and Langer too, although Bjorn has looked out of sorts in the last few weeks and could be having fitness problems again.
 

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Hey guys, sorry to ignore you for a couple days, but I've been catching up on some sleep getting ready for the big week at the U.S. Open, not to mention putting together the final odds for all of our matchups and other props.

Camelot will be adding the matchups and other props as Monday and Tuesday progress, so check back to the website frequently. EVERYTHING will be posted by late Tuesday night.

Again, we will offer at least one matchup on every player in the field and a total score prop on every player in the field.

IF YOU HAVE NOT OPENED AN ACCOUNT WITH CAMELOT AND YOU BET ON GOLF---YOU ARE REALLY MISSING OUT!!!

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Just a note from a local, I live 1/2 a mile away from Southern Hills and I am a Marshall at the tournament.Putting is going to be the difference.(more than usual)Vigay has been here the last couple of days and played several rounds. He and the rest of the players are bitching that the greens are not fair, too fast and cant get the ball to even stay on the greens. Wait until you see # 18, the ball wont keep from rolling off the green if even a short putt is missed with certain pin placements.so players are trying to get them to not cut the fringe. Just a bit of info tht might help.
 

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Another note, the 642 yd. par 5 is reachable, Duval did it in practice round today,
 
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