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Thanks pmj18, keep 'em coming, especially observations about the players or the course
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If the 18th green is that fast, it brings back memories of the 18th green at The Olympic Club in '98
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wonder why DTB can't post in here? I'll look into it.

sorry DTB

if anybody else has had problems, please email me.

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Open Outrights: To Show (4 places) @ Oly
Furyk 10/1
Zinger 12/1 (20/1 at Direcbet)
Langer 16/1

prop @ 5dimes
Lehman finishing position under 18 -115
 

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Jack Believe it was in computer at home.I have no problem from office and it appears no one else has problem.Had that happen few months back. Don't believe it was on your end.Appreciate your concern however.Thanks
 

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Preview & outright plays:

The US Open is a brutal event. Narrow fairways, heavy rough and hard, small and fast greens make this a daunting prospect. Carnoustie was described as the toughest course in the world when it staged the British Open two years ago; it would only take wind to make Southern Hills a worthy contender to that title. The second Major of the year, but a complete opposite to Augusta National. Only four players have ever won the Masters and the US Open in the same year - it is one of Jack's feats that Tiger has yet to achieve.

The fairways have been trimmed to 24-32 yards wide in line with US Open tradition, though the primary rough has been allowed to grow to 3-4 inches rather than the customary five. No comfort there as the rough is Bermuda grass so the ball is more likely to settle at the bottom. With the greens set to run at 11" on the stimpmeter at the start of the week, they will only get slicker and more than ever, it will be the short game that defines the US Open champion. This is not a long course even for a par-70, measuring less than 7000 yards, so many players will hit irons - as Garcia did in the Colonial - off the tee to keep the ball in play. Deftness around the greens and an ability to cope with the slick and undulating greens ("Maxwell's Rolls") will be crucial.

Will Tiger win? Yes, I think he will. He dominated the game last year because of the huge improvement in his short game, especially holing out from within 20 feet. In the past couple of months, he has shown that it is that part of his game that has been returning to its peak. More importantly though, his psychological dominance over the rest of the field gives him the greatest edge. Tiger will have to lose this event before most other players have a chance of winning it.

There are a few exceptions and the first selection is one of those. I am jumping on the Garcia bandwagon and believe that he poses the greatest threat to Tiger. Perry Maxwell designed the Colonial Country Club as well as Southern Hills and much has been written about the link between performances in the MasterCard Colonial and at Southern Hills. With the maturity to plays irons off the tee and center his game plan around his short game, Garcia won the Colonial last month. He has one of the best games in the world around the greens and he revels on lightning fast greens. He only finished 46th in his sole US Open start last year, but looking more mature in his outlook, with the mental strength to block Tiger and with a sizeable support from the crowd, he looks the most likely candidate to tame the Tiger.

The 2nd outright pick is Vijay Singh, but this is for the 'w/o Woods' markets. He does get fazed by Tiger, so those markets are the best option for the Fijian. With his putting gremlins supposedly a thing of the past - if the putting stats are to be believed - the double-Major champion looks one very likely to contend. He has finished in the top-10 in four of the last six US Open and in the two Tour Championships to be held at Southern Hills in 1995 and 1996. Having finished in top-5 in nine of his sixteen events this year and with 5 place on offer for the 'w/o Woods' market, he should at least get a place return.

The 3rd pick, and again for the 'w/o Woods' markets, is Paul Azinger. He completes a trio of players who have early tee-times and can get themselves established in the tournament before the greens become very slick in the afternoon. He has played sparingly this year and that can only be a good thing as far as preparation for this event is concerned. Yet he comes into this event in great form as well. He was 2nd in his last outing (to Tiger and alongside Garcia) at the Memorial two weeks ago and has not finished outside the top-15 in any of his last five tournaments. Add to that top-15 finishes in his last three US Opens, then he looks a decent shot at the available odds and if Tiger does finish in the top-5, he only needs to finish 6th to gain a place win.

Outright plays:

Sergio Garcia to win 33/1 e.w. @ Sportingbet
Vijay Singh to win 14/1 e.w. @ Surrey ['w/o Woods' market]
Paul Azinger to win 50/1 e.w. @ Bet247 ['w/o Woods' market]
 

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Good value bet judging on what conditions are likely to be and previous results
1-5 players to beat par 4/1
No players to beat par 6/1
Both at Betsmart - combine both = just under 2/1
Centrebet have cut their odds on these 2 outcomes and Multisports have suspended betting

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Good call on Azinger Stanley I have backed him in the Top American without Woods market with ladbrokes @ 33/1
 

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Top European best prices, this may be of some use to some of you guys .
Garcia 9/2 Tote
W Wood 8/1 Lad
Monty 12/1 S/Odds
Parnevik 8/1 E/Bet
Olly 14/1 Hills
Bjorn 14/1 Hills
Langer 12/1 Lad
Harrin 16/1 BS
Clarke 12/1 Lad
Faldo 18/1 Nettab
Fulke 40/1 Lad
Jiminez 25/1 BS
Price 33/1 Tote
G/Berg 40/1 Tote
Lawrie 40/1 Tote
Hjerst 80/1 BS
Orr 66/1 BS
Sandeli 66/1 Tote

Be Lucky
 

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I can't wait to see the 18th. I hope it's tied going into the last hole.

I read the report on Duval reaching #5 with a 360 yard 3-wood. Damn. Well, Tiger won't be the only one, then...

Lehman and Janzen are becoming increasingly interesting to me.

Anyone have a fitness report on Bjorn? I've looked everywhere. I have my girlfriend, who speaks Danish, scanning the Danish newspapers and she can't find anything either. At those generous odds, I will happily take a flyer unless I get a negtive fitness report.

And the practice round showed what I was talking about. There are only a few holes that Tiger will hit iron and others will have to hit driver.

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bit of local banter here first of all. Doonhamer - i take it you are in Dumfries. if so i am not too far away in Prestwick (Original Home of THE open)

anyway onto tips.

all 7 tips here forecast as Sells on the spreads (see www.cityindex.co.uk, www.sportingindex.com and www.igsport.co.uk for full list of opponents)

1, D Love on City's list (injured, say no more)
2, S Cink on sporting big guns - i know i am going against the guys here but i think its full of players with more chance (singh, phil, duval, furyk, els price garcia etc)
3, Stricker on Sportings challengers list. take away the WGC in January and he has done squat.
4, Cabrera on sportings international list, big hitter but not accurate and not that good a putter
5, couples on IG major men, good majors record but he is on the downslope and the personal issues of his ex-wife's suicide wont help
6, Olazabal on IG International, good scrambler but he will need to with his driving
7, Durant on IG Minor men, gone for the season i suspect.

as long as these players fall outside the top 4 (3 in the love bet) then a full profit is gained.
 

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Stanley,

Great writeup. One thing I must take issue with though...in discussion of the most difficult course in the world. With all due respect to Southern Hills or even the monsterish Carnoustie, the most difficult course MUST be Pine Valley.

I have had the pleasure of playing there several times and the reason there's no PGA or USGA events there is because of two key factors: one is because there would be no room for a real gallery the way he course is designed...but more importantly, it's because the pros would BITCH in a huge way!!! If they set this course up to U.S. Open standards, the winning score would be well over par and you would see many solid players put up numbers in the 80's. We played it when the rough was very easy and the greens were slow and it was still too much for me to break 90 and I was a 1-handicap or better at the time. If they grew the rough to 5-inches and narrowed the fairways to U.S. Open standards...with the fast greens...it would be UGLY.
 

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Cheers Mark
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Note that I wasn't saying that I thought Carnoustie was the most difficult course in the world, just that it was described as such at the time of the British Open. Carmoustie is difficult, but without the wind it is like most links course and quite vulnerable. I even tamed it myself many years ago (or at least that's how it feels!) but that was on a calm day.

Anyway, for the paranoid who think that the books are watching what we post ...
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e.g. Liked the Azinger-Calc matchup, but didn't play straightaway and now see Zinger is favored by a further 5c
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And now a further 10c
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72-hole plays:

Paul Azinger to beat Mark Calcavecchia -120 @ Camelot
Calc's early season form seems to have deserted him. He has missed the last two cuts and finished outside the top-30 in the two beforehand. Also easy to oppose someone who has missed the cut in each of his last six US Opens

Paul Azinger to beat Bernhard Langer -110 @ William Hill [2 units]
Definitely turning on Langer. Backed him to bring his superb US form to Europe and he failed; ignored him last week and turned on the form again! However, like Calc, he has a desperate record in this event. He has made the weekend in just six occasions in the sixteen times he has tried. Excellent iron-player, just not good enough around the greens for this event

Scott Hoch to beat Nick Faldo -110 @ Sports.com
Both finished in the top-10 and Faldo looks a decent shot for 2nd best European this week, but Hoch has finished no worse than 11th in his last five starts and if he makes the cut, almost always finished in the top-20 in this event

Hale Irwin to beat Tom Kite +120 @ Camelot
Would not get these odds on the Senior Tour and so will take them here. Kite has been making the cut in this event in recent years, but when they played the Senior PGA Championship last month at the very tough Ridgewood, it was Irwin who was able to keep the ball in play and contend

Justin Leonard to beat Bernhard Langer -110 @ BlueSq
Top-20 in the past two years and three top-10 finishes in his last five events, Leonard looks good for another top-20 finish and that should be more than enough to beat the troublesome German

Tom Lehman to beat Davis Love -110 @ Paddy Power [2 units]
The last two plays are opposing DL3. He hasn't played since April and has a neck injury that will probably need surgery. It is very likely that he will go through the motions, if not withdraw at some stage. If fit, this would be a close matchup, but this has to be an easy win for Lehman whose worst finish in the last nine US Opens is 33rd

Nick Price to beat Davis Love -110 @ Camelot
Winner of the US PGA Championship on this course in 1994, Price's short game does not automatically make him one to favor this week, but he has finished in the top-30 in all but one of his last nine US Opens. Not a pick if Love was fit, but he isn't
 

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I rarely post my picks because I like to keep them private, but because it's our championship (and because several of my picks are the same as Stanley's which makes me feel good) I will post what I'm playing this week before I catch my flight to Tulsa to watch Wed's practice round. I doubt I will let tomorrow's practice change my plays, unless I see for myself that Bjorn is unfit.

The 5 day trip costs about $1500, so I will bet 15 units - hoping to break even for the whole week.

All plays are e.w. for one unit, most from Paddy Power.

Duval 25 to 1
Lehman 28 to 1
Cink 66 to 1
Janzen 80 to 1
Bjorn 80 to 1

72 hole Match-ups

The Field v. Eldrick -110 [4 units]
Lehman v. Love -110 [2 units]
'Zinger v. Calc -110 [1 unit]
Hoch v. Faldo -110 [1 unit]
Lehman v. Love -110 [1 unit]
Janzen v. Couples +100 [1 unit]

Good luck to all! By the way, if Eldrick is leading by 15 shots again this year you'll be able to recognize me. I'll be the one tackling him on the 17th fairway
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ok were gonna take some shots, long shots that is to win the open.

people to fade imo.
colin montgomerie, never won on american soil. healthy or not the heat will take its toll on this custard pie. 95 % humidity will eat him alive.

fred couples, still has back problems and personal problems with ex wife dying.

greg norman, has been done since the collapse at augusta.

nick faldo, what have you done for me lately.

olazabal, still think his foot his bothering him and may never recover from it. hell why don't he get a cart?

will not play a european player to win. just don't see it here. heat and greens will be brutal for these guys, takes awhile to get use to the humidity here in the states and this week is going to be bad.

long shots

lee janzen +6000, this guy is Mr. U.S. Open, when this tournament comes around his game picks up big time.

phile mickelson +1200 overdue, if he can stay within his game and not make silly mistakes he should be there in the end.

hal sutton +4000 game is a little off but is starting to play better.

take a shot at the field always some no name pops up on the leaderboard and they may hang around this weekend. +400

all plays 1 unit each

still think we are throwing cabbage away though.only playing guys who i think have the mental ability to beat tiger. as far as that goes tiger wins again imo. still think he will destroy the field.

to bad Payne Stewart has passed on. Would love to have seen him and tiger go at it one time at the U.S. Open.

will wait for info from practice rounds today before posting matchups




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From Mark's amazing US Open coverage, adding:

Todd Fischer to beat Kyle Blackman -150 @ Camelot [3 units]
Both failed to make the weekend last year, but this match is decided on current form. Have no record of Blackman playing in a Tour event this year, whereas Fischer has finished 4th in the Carolina Classic and 29th in Virginia Beach Open on the Buy.com Tour last month

Jess Daley to beat John Douma -115 @ Camelot [3 units]
Douma has been a regular on the Canadian Tour, but has only achieved one top-10 in the past two years; Daley has played on both the Buy.com Tour and three events on the Canadian Tour this year when he has finished 7th, 21st and 2nd. There is a big difference in quality of player

Dean Wilson to beat Chris Gonzalez -125 @ Camelot [3 units]
Five appearances on the Buy.com Tour and five missed cuts for Gonzalez; Wilson has played on the Buy.com Tour, but it is on the Japan Tour that he has made a huge impact, winning the Japan PGA Championship only last month

Jeff Quinney to beat John Harris -150 @ Camelot [2 units]
Harris only made one appearance on the Buy.com Tour last year and missed the cut. While Quinney has missed the cut on each of his three appearances on the PGA Tour, he is a very bright prospect and has the experience of playing in the Masters earlier this year

Thongchai Jaidee to beat Wes Heffernan -140 @ Camelot
Heffernan has made a few appearances on the Canadian Tour and in the Canadian Open, but has failed to make an impression and missed the cut in both his national Opens. Jaidee, on the other hand, is one of the leading players on the Davidoff Tour with an excellent short game. The transition to playing in the US will be too much for him to make the cut, but he is much the better player

Jimmy Walker to beat Scott Johnson -110 @ Camelot [3 units]
Johnson has made a few appearances on the Buy.com Tour in recent years, but missed more cuts than not and is expected to be beaten by Walker who played in the Byron Nelson Classic earlier this year and shot 72-68 to just miss the cut. Big increase in quality of competition and in scoring
 

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Stanley,

The only thing more amazing than my U.S. Open coverage is the number of "followers" you have who bet tghe exact plays you post!!! Jesus, I never expected to draw this much action on some of these little matchups!!!

By the way, you may be wrong about Douma, that guy has a lot of potential. He was SOLID in college and has major game when his head is screwed on properly.

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The one thing I am enjoying about your coverage Mark (as I am struggling to open an account - b****y credit card companies) is the names of players I rarely see, I thought one of the best was Kermit Zaggler but Bradley Klapprot probably wins the vote at the moment
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