Hopefully this Major will be as profitable as the other 3 - again took some value prices in the last week
Els 33/1
Furyk 80/1
Leonard 100/1 (still available)
Els 33/1
Furyk 80/1
Leonard 100/1 (still available)
US PGA
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where was 66?
he is actually 100 to win at bet and win
Also SIA has Fasth at 150
think will ride Nicky baby for a little this one too
he is actually 100 to win at bet and win
Also SIA has Fasth at 150
think will ride Nicky baby for a little this one too
although americasline.com
lists dimarco at 80
but how often do those top 30 markets have an 80/1 in them? Not when I have looked, but you would have paid much more attention than me.
lists dimarco at 80
but how often do those top 30 markets have an 80/1 in them? Not when I have looked, but you would have paid much more attention than me.
Hal Sutton provided us with a big clue of the profile needed to win this tournament. Hal would'nt be Hal if he wasn't moaning about something, but judging by this quote, big hitters definitely have a good advantage.
"All the things they're doing now plays into the hands of the big hitters," he said. "They took the field size from 150 to 25. There's only 25 people in this tournament that can win."
"All the things they're doing now plays into the hands of the big hitters," he said. "They took the field size from 150 to 25. There's only 25 people in this tournament that can win."
Three early plays for me so far:
Jimenez +140 to miss cut (centrebet)
Olazabal +100 to miss cut (centrebet)
D Clarke -105 to beat Parnevick (canbet)
Hope to have some later
Jimenez +140 to miss cut (centrebet)
Olazabal +100 to miss cut (centrebet)
D Clarke -105 to beat Parnevick (canbet)
Hope to have some later
AV Been away from computer most of yesterday.
I took Dimarco @ Sportingbet simply because I always bet 1 E/W there a week. A stupid reason but just a tradition.
Has there been a pga event played on this course in last 5 years? I sure can't find any.
I took Dimarco @ Sportingbet simply because I always bet 1 E/W there a week. A stupid reason but just a tradition.
Has there been a pga event played on this course in last 5 years? I sure can't find any.
DTB, nothing on this course since 1981 PGA Championship when Larry Nelson won. Unless you can find any pointers from the 1990 US Women's Open which Betsy King won
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My mistake. Betsy King won on the Riverside course at AAC
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My mistake. Betsy King won on the Riverside course at AAC
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Thanks Stan Would have took me forever to get back that far manually.
Will be a blind area for this event,however applies equally to the books.
Will be a blind area for this event,however applies equally to the books.
One early play and will make it the 3rd double play of the year(other 2 pushed)
Langer -115 over Faxon @ $Plays
Was going to wait for other lines on this to come out but decided to go now.
Langer has probably been my leading money maker this year getting no respect because of age and plodding style.He has boringly finished in top 10 of 46% of events played ranking him bout 6th on tour.He has beaten Faxon in all 3 previous majors making the cut in all with a 3rd and 6th place finish in 2 of them.That couple with Faxon ranking 167th in ball striking and missing cut in U.S. Open which I deem this to be similiar setup,qualifies this as a double to my thinking.
Langer -115 over Faxon @ $Plays
Was going to wait for other lines on this to come out but decided to go now.
Langer has probably been my leading money maker this year getting no respect because of age and plodding style.He has boringly finished in top 10 of 46% of events played ranking him bout 6th on tour.He has beaten Faxon in all 3 previous majors making the cut in all with a 3rd and 6th place finish in 2 of them.That couple with Faxon ranking 167th in ball striking and missing cut in U.S. Open which I deem this to be similiar setup,qualifies this as a double to my thinking.
Gadzooks I need to get account with them Ian. Believe I tried once and for some reason which now escapes me it was not possible.
DTB
If you cannot open one direct try Bet and Win as they now own Simon Bold and usually put out the same lines - apparently they kept the golf odds compiler for his expertise
If you cannot open one direct try Bet and Win as they now own Simon Bold and usually put out the same lines - apparently they kept the golf odds compiler for his expertise
Preview & outright plays:
This event may be the least respected of the Majors, but it has produced the most entertaining finales over the past two years: Sergio and Tiger in 1999 and Bob May and Tiger last year. With Tiger not dominating the game in the same way that he did last year, the prospects for another great shootout are good.
The revamped Highlands course at the Atlanta Athletic Club hosts this event for the first time since 1981 when Larry Nelson's precise ball-striking was the key to securing victory. In total, just 143 yards have been added to this course since 1981 and despite the controversy over the 490-yard, par-4, 18th hole and Sutton's tired grumblings about the length of the course, this is a very small change compared to the revolution in modern technology within the game in the last twenty years. The closing five holes are brutal - and so they should for a major - but with hard, fast fairways, it will again be accuracy of ball-striking rather than power golf that will shape this week's winner.
Woods heads the market by some distance and while the Cassandras highlight his lack of top-10 finishes in his last four events, it should also be remembered that he entered last year's event without finishing in the top-10 of his previous two PGA Tour events. The odds are still too short to justify selection. Others with particular local knowledge include David Duval and Stewart Cink as the Georgia Tech golf team used to play their home collegiate events here. But winning back-to-back majors is extremely tough and without tempting odds, Duval is passed over, while Cink has played poorly since his last-green failings at the US Open. Southern Hills may still be haunting him. Instead, of the three selections this week, two have excellent records in this event and one is in the form of his life: Vijay Singh, Nick Price and Scott Hoch.
Of this week's players having competed in at least five PGA Championships, only Jack Nicklaus has a higher top-5/starts ratio that Singh and Price. Jack has secured 14 top-5 finishes (12 of them were top-3!) from 37 starts. Vijay ranks 2nd with 3 top-5 finishes (one win) from 9 starts and Price is 3rd with 5 top-5 finishes (two wins) from 17 starts. The PGA Championship completes the set of majors that test all aspects of the player's game. From the links golf of the British Open, to the over-dependence on power at the Masters, to the over-dependence on accuracy at the US Open, the PGA Championship is biggest test of all-round ball-striking. And Singh and Price are at the elite of that category.
Price has played well at times this year and with a very light schedule, he could be focused enough to achieve his third top-5 finish in four year. Singh, on the other hand, is a more realistic challenger for the title. However, he hasn't won on the PGA Tour since the Masters last year and his inability to win the International is a concern, but given the quality of his golf, at worst he should secure a top-5 place and at odds that would mean the other two selections would be free plays.
This has not been the most productive of events for Hoch: just four top-10s and one top-3 finish in his 20 starts. Nevertheless, ignoring the British Open, which he would have done had it not been for his sponsors' insistence, he has finished no worse than 16th in his last ten events, including the US Open, and won twice. He shares with Singh and Price a liking for hot conditions and in this form, looks a decent long-shot for a place finish.
Outright plays:
Vijay Singh to win 20/1 e.w. @ Surrey and others
Nick Price to win 80/1 e.w. @ Ladbrokes [5 places option]
Scott Hoch to win 80/1 e.w. @ Ladbrokes [5 places option]
This event may be the least respected of the Majors, but it has produced the most entertaining finales over the past two years: Sergio and Tiger in 1999 and Bob May and Tiger last year. With Tiger not dominating the game in the same way that he did last year, the prospects for another great shootout are good.
The revamped Highlands course at the Atlanta Athletic Club hosts this event for the first time since 1981 when Larry Nelson's precise ball-striking was the key to securing victory. In total, just 143 yards have been added to this course since 1981 and despite the controversy over the 490-yard, par-4, 18th hole and Sutton's tired grumblings about the length of the course, this is a very small change compared to the revolution in modern technology within the game in the last twenty years. The closing five holes are brutal - and so they should for a major - but with hard, fast fairways, it will again be accuracy of ball-striking rather than power golf that will shape this week's winner.
Woods heads the market by some distance and while the Cassandras highlight his lack of top-10 finishes in his last four events, it should also be remembered that he entered last year's event without finishing in the top-10 of his previous two PGA Tour events. The odds are still too short to justify selection. Others with particular local knowledge include David Duval and Stewart Cink as the Georgia Tech golf team used to play their home collegiate events here. But winning back-to-back majors is extremely tough and without tempting odds, Duval is passed over, while Cink has played poorly since his last-green failings at the US Open. Southern Hills may still be haunting him. Instead, of the three selections this week, two have excellent records in this event and one is in the form of his life: Vijay Singh, Nick Price and Scott Hoch.
Of this week's players having competed in at least five PGA Championships, only Jack Nicklaus has a higher top-5/starts ratio that Singh and Price. Jack has secured 14 top-5 finishes (12 of them were top-3!) from 37 starts. Vijay ranks 2nd with 3 top-5 finishes (one win) from 9 starts and Price is 3rd with 5 top-5 finishes (two wins) from 17 starts. The PGA Championship completes the set of majors that test all aspects of the player's game. From the links golf of the British Open, to the over-dependence on power at the Masters, to the over-dependence on accuracy at the US Open, the PGA Championship is biggest test of all-round ball-striking. And Singh and Price are at the elite of that category.
Price has played well at times this year and with a very light schedule, he could be focused enough to achieve his third top-5 finish in four year. Singh, on the other hand, is a more realistic challenger for the title. However, he hasn't won on the PGA Tour since the Masters last year and his inability to win the International is a concern, but given the quality of his golf, at worst he should secure a top-5 place and at odds that would mean the other two selections would be free plays.
This has not been the most productive of events for Hoch: just four top-10s and one top-3 finish in his 20 starts. Nevertheless, ignoring the British Open, which he would have done had it not been for his sponsors' insistence, he has finished no worse than 16th in his last ten events, including the US Open, and won twice. He shares with Singh and Price a liking for hot conditions and in this form, looks a decent long-shot for a place finish.
Outright plays:
Vijay Singh to win 20/1 e.w. @ Surrey and others
Nick Price to win 80/1 e.w. @ Ladbrokes [5 places option]
Scott Hoch to win 80/1 e.w. @ Ladbrokes [5 places option]
Me too.
Every week Ian & Stan post lines from Simon Bold that seem almost too good to be true.
Furyk -110 vs Olazabal looks a great bet.
C-88 Was playing golf with Clint yesterday and remarked about Stan taking over top spot and your moving in top 5
in contest. He told me he thought you and Len were inlaws but on different islands. Is that correct?
If so will have to add you to the NZ Connection with he and Gav.
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If so will have to add you to the NZ Connection with he and Gav.
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Stan, great preview but I still think the big hitters, especially Woods have a huge advantage. Here's another story I found,
"Rain prevents any roll"
It is going to be the story of the week. All day, every day, especially for those losing the battle.
The course is long (7,213 yards) and getting longer with each thunderstorm and afternoon downpour. Even in an era when the golf ball has never flown farther, Atlanta Athletic Club's length is tiring them out.
"You've got to have your driver game going here, otherwise you can forget it," said Mark Calcavecchia, who is longer than most of the players in the field. "The guy who wins this tournament is definitely going to be the guy who hits it the best of the week. This course will weed out the guys who aren't hitting it good in a hurry. The long hitter's got a pretty substantial advantage."
The Highlands Course was brutish before. Now the fairways are soft, robbing players of roll, and the rough is getting thicker than the humidity. While world-class players always will accept length to be rewarded with receptive, slower greens, they still have to get to them. Not so easy for those not named Woods, David Duval, Phil Mickelson or Davis Love III.
"They've set this course up perfectly for Tiger," said U.S. Open champion Retief Goosen. "They think they're making it difficult for Tiger, but it isn't. He's smiling . . . He knows that he's got a big advantage over everybody. All the trouble is out there about 280 yards and he flies it about 310."
The 18th hole, a 490-yard par-4, is likely to draw the most criticism all week. Calcavecchia said it's "about "30 yards too long."
"I hit a drive as hard as I humanly can, and I needed a 2-iron just to get over the water," he said. "It's just too long."
Said Goosen, "You're hitting driver and a 2-iron into a green that's really designed for short irons, I think the members play it as a par 5."
Bernhard Langer and Loren Roberts needed 3-woods to reach the 18th green, which plays 35 yards longer than it did for the 1976 U.S. Open or the 1981 PGA.
"I would think the big hitters would be licking their chops," Bob Tway said.
re's another report I read
"Rain prevents any roll"
It is going to be the story of the week. All day, every day, especially for those losing the battle.
The course is long (7,213 yards) and getting longer with each thunderstorm and afternoon downpour. Even in an era when the golf ball has never flown farther, Atlanta Athletic Club's length is tiring them out.
"You've got to have your driver game going here, otherwise you can forget it," said Mark Calcavecchia, who is longer than most of the players in the field. "The guy who wins this tournament is definitely going to be the guy who hits it the best of the week. This course will weed out the guys who aren't hitting it good in a hurry. The long hitter's got a pretty substantial advantage."
The Highlands Course was brutish before. Now the fairways are soft, robbing players of roll, and the rough is getting thicker than the humidity. While world-class players always will accept length to be rewarded with receptive, slower greens, they still have to get to them. Not so easy for those not named Woods, David Duval, Phil Mickelson or Davis Love III.
"They've set this course up perfectly for Tiger," said U.S. Open champion Retief Goosen. "They think they're making it difficult for Tiger, but it isn't. He's smiling . . . He knows that he's got a big advantage over everybody. All the trouble is out there about 280 yards and he flies it about 310."
The 18th hole, a 490-yard par-4, is likely to draw the most criticism all week. Calcavecchia said it's "about "30 yards too long."
"I hit a drive as hard as I humanly can, and I needed a 2-iron just to get over the water," he said. "It's just too long."
Said Goosen, "You're hitting driver and a 2-iron into a green that's really designed for short irons, I think the members play it as a par 5."
Bernhard Langer and Loren Roberts needed 3-woods to reach the 18th green, which plays 35 yards longer than it did for the 1976 U.S. Open or the 1981 PGA.
"I would think the big hitters would be licking their chops," Bob Tway said.
re's another report I read
efgee Thanks for report.Only two par 5's might down play length just a tad.Here is additional including current WD's http://sports.yahoo.com/pga/news/ap/20010813/ap-pgachampionshipnotebook.html
Will check into Bet & Win Ian. Thanks
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Will check into Bet & Win Ian. Thanks
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