Us Pga

milpalm

Registered User
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2002
226
0
0
48
Lillestrom, Norway
I have placed a couple of antepost bets

Garcia 20/1
Leonard 66/1
Verplank 99/1

All three are in decent form and have done well in this event in the past.
 

steved

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 9, 2002
298
0
0
teddington. uk
another's hours study has yielded 0.5 ew Izawa Top ROW 66/1 (Sportingbet)...second last time out in Japan, 22nd in Open before that, looks good in Stan's stats..these guys do not venture out of Japan for scenery...
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
Question on 72 hole scoring prop at Oly over/under 274 1/2

Winning score for Open in 1991 there was 282. Have players got that much better???? I don't think course is easier!
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
5dimes up and got a few there
72 holes
Harrinton -110 over Love
Steady vs feast or famine

a couple 1st rd T-Time angles

Omeara -110 over Norman
Toms -110 over Goosen
 

steved

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 9, 2002
298
0
0
teddington. uk
i was hoping you would be telling us about the course DTB! my slant, for better or worse, has been that if Stewart and Simpson were in play-off here for US Open, then it is an accuracy course...but...if they cut the rough, like they would NOT have done for the US Open, then the only defence is the wind...cannot see much indication of what rough is like...early practice rounds have not yet yielded bleating from players so I am guessing rough is not too bad...I am betting on the wind...
 

Stanley

Registered
Forum Member
Jul 26, 1999
11,801
26
0
Manchester, England
www.tour-tips.com
Matchup plays (1 unit unless stated):

Justin Leonard to beat Mark Calcavecchia -190 @ WSEX
Horrible price, but a huge difference in form between these two players. Leonard has finished in the top-20 in 10 his last 12 starts since March and a repeat of his top-10 finish last year is not out of the question.

Fred Funk to beat K.J. Choi -118 @ Centrebet
Again siding with the player in much the better form. Funk finished 2nd last week and it was his second runners-up spot in his last three starts. But his form for the last three months has been leading up to these high finishes. He has finished in the top-25 in 9 of his last 12 starts.

Tom Lehman to beat Steve Elkington -125 @ Five Dimes
Elkington may have lost a playoff for the British Open, but this course has little resemblance to Muirfield. His form is otherwise not on par with Lehman as their head-to-head matchup record reveals: Lehman leads 8-2 over the past 12 months and 3-1 over the past 3 months.

Mike Weir to beat Lee Janzen -115 @ Bet365 [2 units]
This has been one of Weir's better events with good finishes in the last three years, whereas Janzen has missed the cut in three of the last four years. Weir may not be playing the best golf of his life, but is also playing far better than Janzen at the moment as head-to-head leads of 13-5 over the past 12 months and 4-1 over the past 3 months demonstrate.

Peter Lonard to beat Steve Lowery -120 @ Intertops
Two runners-up spots in his last three event is hardly good reason to oppose Lowery, but there may be a letdown after his incredible finish to the International two weeks ago. Could be wrong, but there is every reason to expect yet another strong performance from Lonard who is in the form of his life at the moment.

Davis Love to beat Jeff Sluman -189 @ Easybets
Ugly price, but these two players are not in the same class. And this is reflected in the head-to-head stats: 5-0 to Love in this event over the past five years; 4-0 to Love over the past 3 months and 14-4 to Love over the past 12 months.

Scott Verplank to beat Scott McCarron -138 @ Sportingbet
McCarron had a great start to the season, but he has done very little since the BellSouth Classic over four months ago. His 18th place finish in the British Open is his only top-20 finish in the last four months. Not so for Verplank, who is one of the most consistent players on Tour and finished 6th last year.
 

SixFive

bonswa
Forum Member
Mar 12, 2001
18,718
237
63
53
BG, KY, USA
Shigeki Maryuama 65-1

This guy is so likable and acts like he is having a good time. I followed him a little at the PGA at Valhalla in 2000, and he was very gracious. Nice guys don't always win, but I'll take a little shot at these odds (SixFive-1). GL!
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
Oh Clint what brings you to neck of the woods LOL!!

Adding 1st rd @ $plays
Haas +105 over Weir

Another T-time angle
Haas again 1st out of box this week and after cashing last week in that situation will give him another shot. Weir goes off late in afternoon (1:50)
 

Ian

Registered User
Forum Member
Sep 18, 2000
1,416
0
0
Exeter UK
www.sportsbettingindex.com
Only gone for one further bet in the specialist markets so far - I don't think the guy will win but he is very consistent - in the Top US without Woods - Chris Riley - 80/1 at the Tote who go 1/5 1st 5 - as low as 40/1 in places.Other outsiders to note in this market for me would be Herron (local boy who has won a few Junior events on the course) and a resurgent Mark O'Meara.
 

steved

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 9, 2002
298
0
0
teddington. uk
found an American! Top US w/o Woods, Howell 66/1(Hills) 0.5 ew..read too much yesterday, but he played here in Collegiate Championship a few years back..I think pressure on him is less than earlier in year, and he might show it...
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
Ian O'meara was my unofficial Sportingbet E/W longshot early.
Is in good form with top 25's in both opens this year and can handle pressure with win at augusta years back.Got 2 matches pending on him also;)
 

lostinamerica

Registered User
Forum Member
Oct 10, 2001
7,188
113
63
Between Green Bay and Iowa City
I'm off to see the show at Hazeltine on Saturday and Sunday. I'll be moving crisply and with far more golf sense than the horde I'm up against. Hazeltine has to rate close to an A+ for navigation by the fans compared to the thought of some truly modern course strewn all about God's creation with many of the practical routes only accessible inside the ropes. And it sure comes in handy to be 6'3'' tall.

I've been selective in attending golf tournaments:

1975 U.S. Open @ Medinah (Lou Graham)
1976 PGA @ Congressional (Dave Stockton)
1987 U.S. Open @ Olympic (Scott Simpson)
1990 U.S. Open @ Medinah (Hale Irwin)
1991 U.S. Open @ Hazeltine (Payne Stewart)
1998 U.S. Open @ Olympic (Lee Janzen)
1999 PGA @ Medinah (Tiger Woods)

Just one round at the PGAs. All four rounds, plus one or two practice rounds, plus the 1991 playoff, at the U.S. Open's. That's it for tour level golf. Eventually I'll kick back and check out a Phoenix Open or something like it. But for now I am anxiously holding four entries in the USGA Member's lottery for pairs of tickets to the 2003 U.S. Open at Olympia Fields in Chicago.

The Olympic Club is my clear favorite among the courses where I've seen championships contested, with tiny greens, and with breezes off the
ocean swirling through the brooding trees and sloping fairways that require only one fairway bunker. The indelible moments from my lifetime of golf are shadowing Tom Watson for 72 holes at Olympic as he inexplicably found his legendary form before Scott Simpson made like Jack Fleck, 69 holes at Arnie's side in 1975 as my boyhood idol lost by three when he could have just as easily won by three, and Nicklaus' ball chasing after me DEEP in the trees on the 70th hole from a double-cross duck hook (that he has frequently discussed with much disdain) while he was stalking the Grand Slam in 1975 and I was dashing to the next green.

During the first round at Hazeltine in 1991, I was standing on tree roots in a stand of trophy oaks near the seventh hole (along with at least 500 other wet fans) when a lightning bolt killed a young man under a willow tree about 700 yards away on No. 11. That storm was right on top of us and repeatedly made its presence felt. While the sound of thunder may travel a mile in five seconds, that bolt and at least two others were only fractions of a second away from our nervous group. Golf tours everywhere rapidly implemented new rules and policies for suspending play in hazardous weather (i.e., a player may not finish the hole, etc.) after that sobering day.


---------- ---------- ---------- ----------

The 84th PGA Championship at Hazeltine National

The golf traditions in Minnesota are rich and passionately held. The U.S. Open at Hazeltine in 1970 is synonymous with a fiasco. For a club that incorporates hosting major golf championships in its mission statement, the wounds were deep. When The Open returned in 1991, the refrain at every stage of the proceeding was "a very nice course and very fair". But the fine shot values and agreeable flow of the revamped course didn't produce a loveable classic either, any more than Firestone is a masterpiece (although I suspect Hazeltine rates a notch above that). And the
membership has not been sleeping at the helm while nurturing their course for this year's moment. I know they got it right by making a new tee on #15 the most significant change since 1991, as I even heard Linda Watson comment on how her husband (and others) were having fits finding the fairway there when even an iron was angled toward the out of bounds while diagonally crossing the prevailing wind. I suspect they made the hole fairer and tougher.

An astonishing 13 of the top 18 finishers in the 1991 U.S. Open won major championships during their careers (that includes any championships won after 1991), and 9 of the 18 won multiple majors. My random look at quite a few the U.S. Opens and the PGA's from that era found only one championship that was even comparable (in the 1994 PGA at Bellerive, 11 of the top 18 won a major during their career, but only 5 of the 18 won multiple majors). Unless Tiger makes it a contest for second place, I expect that come Sunday the 84th PGA will have a distinguished looking leaderboard.

Speaking of Tiger, he may have a major rebound in his crosshairs, but Stan is right that this is a couple steps removed from Tiger's best circa 2000, when he still had to stave off Bob May. When you win last week with as many holed putts and as much good fortune as Tiger has recognized, you can see where a few bad bounces might take him this week. And that pairing looks tough on everyone by Sunday, if not before then.

It's in the greens and bunkering that the course retains most of its Robert Trent Jones character. I've seen several references in the media that
said the rough was "manageable", and David Gossett felt some reasonable birdie opportunities could be found from the middle of some of the fairly small greens. Plenty of shots will get rinsed on #16, #17 and #8, plus #7, too, and probably #6. The Par 3s are strong, with #13 and #4 playing downwind, #8 exposed to the wind, and #17 probably deserves to be rated next in line behind # 16 as the signature hole. I'd say the first 8 holes offer the best scoring opportunities, while the last 3 holes could produce much disgust before a score gets posted. The visual targets and landing areas presented by the fairways look positively inviting compared to Olympic and will yield some opportunities to properly played golf. The players are repeating the refrain of "a very nice course and very fair" from 1991.

The wind howled on Thursday in 1970, the wind blew on Saturday in 1991, and it didn't exactly lay down the rest of the time. DTB had a fine link
to a column discussing this subject, but I've played about 150 rounds in the area since 1986 (including Chaska Town Course off Lake Hazeltine), and while columnist Patrick Reusse must remember the stagnant and still air hovering over his patio, Tom Lehman was absolutely correct to note that you can expect blustery conditions on the golf courses dotted along the lakes and across the praries of the Twin Cities area. The forecast is not to the contrary. I'm not suggesting that you need to be a shotmaking specialist in the wind to get it done, but scores should be affected.

I have a friend that carries a 7 handicap at exclusive Woodhill who has been marshalling on the Par 3 13th hole for four hours each on Monday and Tuesday. I called him and asked the questions, and he supplied his answers: "the rough is long and the ball is sitting down . . . he hasn't heard any buzz about any particular golfer or the field as a whole giving the course better than it was giving back . . . they are struggling to hit the green on #13, and it was a bitch in 1991, too . . . Mickelson hit a couple of really nice shots . . . Nick Price had David Ledbetter with him on Tuesday and the impression was that things could have been going a whole lot better."

The PGA is certainly not the USGA when it comes to setting up courses for their signature championship, but the gap is closing. With an assist from the Hazeltine membership.

Three players (Jacklin, Stewart and Simpson) have bettered 285. I didn't notice anyone that came close to having 3 rounds in the 60s.

Going about 8 under par on those Par 5s and 6 under on the rest of the course? That seems off the charts to me.

I expect a fair but stern test.

That's as good as I've got to give.

Two Units: Winning Score Over 274.5 @ Olympic

GL

lostinamerica
 

DOGS THAT BARK

Registered User
Forum Member
Jul 13, 1999
19,424
128
63
Bowling Green Ky
Lost When PGA returns to Valhalla I will get you free pass if you want to make trip. State BC BS is located there and I write lots of business for them. They sent me 2 free paases last time and I am sure they will again.
 

lostinamerica

Registered User
Forum Member
Oct 10, 2001
7,188
113
63
Between Green Bay and Iowa City
Will be adding a few capsules, but I'm down with these:

Outrights for 0.20* e.w.:

Maruyama(66/1)
Mickelson(14/1)

Outrights for 0.20* to Place Top 5
(and is "top off" on The Win the proper expression?):

Tway(26/1)
Norman(27/1)
Elkington(20/1)
Lonard(15/1)

First Round Lead for 0.10*:

Tway(66/1)
Norman(80/1)

Propositions:

Winning Score Under 274.5(-115) for 2*
Mickelson Finish Under 10.5 Place(+100) for 1*

Tournament Matchups for 1*:

Elkington(-115) over Lawrie
Norman(-105) over O'Meara
Lonard(-125) over Montgomerie

Thursday 3 Balls for 1*:

Maggert(6/4) over McRoy/Levet
Maruyama(11/8) over Roberts/Mattiace
Sutton(7/2) over Love/Singh
Lonard(5/4) over Mediate/Lewis

DTB: That is a generous offer and I'm sure I'll work on keeping my calendar free for Valhalla.

GL
 

Svengali

Registered User
Forum Member
Nov 8, 2001
29
0
0
Switzerland
Have been away for a while but back refreshed and raring to go. Here goes -

Love to beat Duval - 9/10 at Ladbrokes. A well documented bet above so I will add no more than I reckon this will come in with bells on!

Montgomerie to beat Rose - 10/11 @ Stan James. I think that Rose is making his debut in the US and that has to be a factor here. For all the anti-Monty chat he is still a remarkably solid player, he has only missed the cut once in 5 starts in the US this year and I think his class will shine through this one.

Price to beat Furyk - 4/5 @ Sportingbet. As I have said here before Price is just THE man to back in match-ups this year and this one looks really good. Price is just out of the top 30 once since end January. Furyk's season is Parson's egg personified with a great Memorial and then very poor US Open and Open. He's missed cuts in 4 out of his last 7 and top ten other 3! Price's consistency should be enough here.
 

Monarch

Registered User
Forum Member
Feb 24, 2002
457
0
0
London
Struggling to find anything outstanding so will waste a little change on the following:

To make cut:
Garcia 1/7
Love 2/9
Harrington 1/4
N Price 2/7
Maruyama 1/3
O'Meara 8/13
Norman 4/6

To miss cut:
Duval 9/4
Westwood 4/5
Daly 4/5

pays 83.6/1 @ Bet365 for 1 Unit.

Hole in One 7/4 @ Spodds for 2 Units.
 

Myron

Registered User
Forum Member
Oct 14, 2001
764
0
0
Hamilton, Ontario
Odds to win:

Phil Mickelson at 14/1 for 2 units (yes I bet sucker horses at the track also)

Sergio Garcia at 18/1 for 2 units

Darren Clarke at 60/1 to win for 1 unit and top 4 finish for 3 units

Davis Love to win at 40/1 for 2 units and top 4 finish for 2 units.
 
Bet on MyBookie
Top