I was wondering who you all think is the best source for information and picks. Please attach any links that may be helpful in finding a site.
who do you think is the best handicapping service????
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after trying app 15 in my youth
after trying app 15 in my youth
never found one that went over 50% yet they want all your $$$$; stay away from them my friend, follow people here you think make sense as guides, do your homework, then make your own picks ... why hand someone 1K then lose on their selections--nothing more sinking than that in life ... UR prob not doing well right now and are looking for bailout, trust me, Ive been there and learned valuable lesson never use a tout ... LY i followed some site that posted all the services, one week they had 8 GOYs, they went 2--6 ... what else do you need to know? ... LW steele had his GOM on asu and they ran for 26 yards and looked like girls ...
all the best, hope some of this helped
gregg
after trying app 15 in my youth
never found one that went over 50% yet they want all your $$$$; stay away from them my friend, follow people here you think make sense as guides, do your homework, then make your own picks ... why hand someone 1K then lose on their selections--nothing more sinking than that in life ... UR prob not doing well right now and are looking for bailout, trust me, Ive been there and learned valuable lesson never use a tout ... LY i followed some site that posted all the services, one week they had 8 GOYs, they went 2--6 ... what else do you need to know? ... LW steele had his GOM on asu and they ran for 26 yards and looked like girls ...
all the best, hope some of this helped
gregg
pt couldn't have said it better. last season, I was up a bit and wanted some help to make it that much better of a season. I spent what I had won, and then some, on three months of picks in NFL. Very first game was a GOY I believe (If not, it was a GOM), Sea +3 v. SF, or something around there. Yeah, that game. The one where TO pulled the pen from his sock. I watched in horror as Sea field goal kicker blew field goal after field goal - he missed at least two, maybe 3, I don't remember. And the officials were horrible, seriously, that isn't just me talking they were bad. Anyway, I put a bunch of money on that game thinking I had a LOCK. No such thing, Sea should have covered but didn't. So not only was I in the hole pretty big, but I had a few months of picks that I had paid good money for that didn't do me worth chit.
Lesson, exactly what pt said: follow what goes on in here, add that to your own evaluation and cap cap cap. Just like everything else, practice makes perfect. Until you're willing to put your hard earned money on the line, practice practice practice. My guess, if you're like me when I was looking for a service, you prolly aren't confident in your own picks. Nothing can be worse. Just like a batter not confident in his swing. That's ok. Practice. Hone your skills until you know you can give yourself a good chance at winning, then hit it and hit it hard.
GL to you, hope to see you around here...
Lesson, exactly what pt said: follow what goes on in here, add that to your own evaluation and cap cap cap. Just like everything else, practice makes perfect. Until you're willing to put your hard earned money on the line, practice practice practice. My guess, if you're like me when I was looking for a service, you prolly aren't confident in your own picks. Nothing can be worse. Just like a batter not confident in his swing. That's ok. Practice. Hone your skills until you know you can give yourself a good chance at winning, then hit it and hit it hard.
GL to you, hope to see you around here...
99 % are crooks-scamartists-liars
99 % are crooks-scamartists-liars
The other 1 % act like they are not, but the end results are usually the same...
Bottom line if they were making money on their picks, they wouldn't be trying to sell them.
There is no easy way out, especially with services. You can read-up and follow The Mad-Jackers here and find some of the finest information available ! Do the leg-work and make your choices.
It's hard enough to win with the vig. You don't want to be laying out hard cash to these services.
They will have your money and you will lose with them period.
Good Luck !
99 % are crooks-scamartists-liars
The other 1 % act like they are not, but the end results are usually the same...
Bottom line if they were making money on their picks, they wouldn't be trying to sell them.
There is no easy way out, especially with services. You can read-up and follow The Mad-Jackers here and find some of the finest information available ! Do the leg-work and make your choices.
It's hard enough to win with the vig. You don't want to be laying out hard cash to these services.
They will have your money and you will lose with them period.
Good Luck !
THEIR R BETTER CAPPERS HERE ON THIS FORUM IN EVERY SPORT THAN ANY SCANDICAPPER OUT THERE......MOST OF THEM R CROOKS.........IF U'VE BEEN ON THIS FORUM FOR A COUPLE YRS.....U SHOULD KNOW WHO TO FOLLOW.
GL.
WIZZ.
GL.
WIZZ.
Be carefull
Be carefull
when using services and touts
They give one side to half there customers and the other side to the other half so they are guaranteed that 1/2 of paying custormers will come back the next week. And it goes on all year.
Never pay for the season because if they go 0-16, youve jst paid for 0-16.
MJ has better cappers than anything out there.
geech
Be carefull
when using services and touts
They give one side to half there customers and the other side to the other half so they are guaranteed that 1/2 of paying custormers will come back the next week. And it goes on all year.
Never pay for the season because if they go 0-16, youve jst paid for 0-16.
MJ has better cappers than anything out there.
geech
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I DON'T SEE WHY ANYONE WOULD PAY FOR PICKS WHEN THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IN MY OPINION SOME OF THE MOST SOLID HANDICAPPERS AROUND RIGHT HERE AT MADJACKS!
I GUESS IF THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO POSTED HERE FOR YEARS & CONSISTENTLY PUT OUT A GOOD RECORD - AND PROVIDED POSITIVE UNIT RETURNS YEAR AFTER YEAR & AFTER THEY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES DECIDED TO CHARGE FOR THEIR PICKS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE SOMEONE PAYING FOR PICKS. BUT TO PAY FOR A SERVICE WHERE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU IS TRUE - IT AMAZES ME HOW SO MANY PEOPLE BLOW THEIR MONEY ON THIS...IT IS BAD ENOUGH TO LOSE MONEY WHEN YOUR PLAY LOSES - BUT TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY IT MIGHT COST YOU ANOTHER $10 - $50 OR WHATEVER YOU PAID FOR YOUR PICK...
I HAVE PRODUCED A SOLID RETURN EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS AND THIS IS MY CURRENT RECORD:
NFL RECORD: 20W - 16L 55.6% +27.0 UNITS!!!!
CFB YTD RECORD: 17W - 7L 70.8% +38.25 UNITS!!!!
OVERALL RECORD: 37W-23L 61.7% +65.25 UNITS!!!!
HOW MANY PAY "SERVICES" CAN SAY THEY ARE IN THE POSITIVE FOR BOTH COLLEGE FOOTBALL & NFL RIGHT NOW - AND ARE UP A TOTAL OF 65.25 UNITS? I BET LESS THAN 10%...
ANYONE HERE COULD HAVE FOLLOWED ALL OF MY PLAYS - FOR ABSOLUTELY FREE - AND HAVE MADE SOME GOOD MONEY...I HANDICAP GAMES FOR 2 REASON:
1. TO MAKE MONEY
2. I ENJOY IT
AND I TAKE PRIDE IN GIVING PEOPLE WINNING SELECTIONS...I DON'T NEED TO GET PAID FOR IT - ONCE IN A WHILE IT IS NICE TO HEAR "GOOD JOB SHOW" OR SOMETHING - BUT I DON'T DO THIS TO HEAR PRAISE - I AM HERE TO HELP EVERYONE & SHARE MY TALENTS IN HANDICAPPING...
NOW THAT IS GENUINE UNLIKE THESE "SCAMDICAPPERS" WHO SAY "PAY ME $50 AND I'LL TELL YOU THE WINNER"...SO IF YOU PAY THE $50 AND PUT $100 ON A GAME & LOSE - YOU LOST AN ADDITIONAL 50% MORE...SURE DENTS THE PROFITS WHEN YOU WIN...
JUST ADVICE TO ANYONE LOOKING FOR A PAY SERVICE...DON'T UNLESS YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THAT PERSON FOR A WHILE & THEY HAVE PROVEN TO RETURN A PROFIT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT...
STAY AT HOME HERE AT MADJACKS...FOR THERE ARE PLENTY OF SOLID CAPPERS - STICK W/ THE ONES WHO POST THEIR RECORD WEEK IN & WEEK OUT - AND REALIZE THAT NO CAPPER WILL WIN EVERY WEEK...DON'T GIVE UP ON SOMEONE IF THEY GO THROUGH A LOSING STREAK - IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US...
GOOD LUCK - AND LET'S CONTINUE THE SUCCESS HERE AT MADJACKS!!!
--SHOWRUNNER
I GUESS IF THERE WAS SOMEONE WHO POSTED HERE FOR YEARS & CONSISTENTLY PUT OUT A GOOD RECORD - AND PROVIDED POSITIVE UNIT RETURNS YEAR AFTER YEAR & AFTER THEY HAVE PROVEN THEMSELVES DECIDED TO CHARGE FOR THEIR PICKS THAT IS THE ONLY WAY I COULD SEE SOMEONE PAYING FOR PICKS. BUT TO PAY FOR A SERVICE WHERE YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE TELLING YOU IS TRUE - IT AMAZES ME HOW SO MANY PEOPLE BLOW THEIR MONEY ON THIS...IT IS BAD ENOUGH TO LOSE MONEY WHEN YOUR PLAY LOSES - BUT TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY IT MIGHT COST YOU ANOTHER $10 - $50 OR WHATEVER YOU PAID FOR YOUR PICK...
I HAVE PRODUCED A SOLID RETURN EVERY YEAR FOR THE PAST 5 YEARS AND THIS IS MY CURRENT RECORD:
NFL RECORD: 20W - 16L 55.6% +27.0 UNITS!!!!
CFB YTD RECORD: 17W - 7L 70.8% +38.25 UNITS!!!!
OVERALL RECORD: 37W-23L 61.7% +65.25 UNITS!!!!
HOW MANY PAY "SERVICES" CAN SAY THEY ARE IN THE POSITIVE FOR BOTH COLLEGE FOOTBALL & NFL RIGHT NOW - AND ARE UP A TOTAL OF 65.25 UNITS? I BET LESS THAN 10%...
ANYONE HERE COULD HAVE FOLLOWED ALL OF MY PLAYS - FOR ABSOLUTELY FREE - AND HAVE MADE SOME GOOD MONEY...I HANDICAP GAMES FOR 2 REASON:
1. TO MAKE MONEY
2. I ENJOY IT
AND I TAKE PRIDE IN GIVING PEOPLE WINNING SELECTIONS...I DON'T NEED TO GET PAID FOR IT - ONCE IN A WHILE IT IS NICE TO HEAR "GOOD JOB SHOW" OR SOMETHING - BUT I DON'T DO THIS TO HEAR PRAISE - I AM HERE TO HELP EVERYONE & SHARE MY TALENTS IN HANDICAPPING...
NOW THAT IS GENUINE UNLIKE THESE "SCAMDICAPPERS" WHO SAY "PAY ME $50 AND I'LL TELL YOU THE WINNER"...SO IF YOU PAY THE $50 AND PUT $100 ON A GAME & LOSE - YOU LOST AN ADDITIONAL 50% MORE...SURE DENTS THE PROFITS WHEN YOU WIN...
JUST ADVICE TO ANYONE LOOKING FOR A PAY SERVICE...DON'T UNLESS YOU HAVE FOLLOWED THAT PERSON FOR A WHILE & THEY HAVE PROVEN TO RETURN A PROFIT YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT...
STAY AT HOME HERE AT MADJACKS...FOR THERE ARE PLENTY OF SOLID CAPPERS - STICK W/ THE ONES WHO POST THEIR RECORD WEEK IN & WEEK OUT - AND REALIZE THAT NO CAPPER WILL WIN EVERY WEEK...DON'T GIVE UP ON SOMEONE IF THEY GO THROUGH A LOSING STREAK - IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US...
GOOD LUCK - AND LET'S CONTINUE THE SUCCESS HERE AT MADJACKS!!!
--SHOWRUNNER
Pujo had a great point
Pujo had a great point
which i neglected to touch upon and always felt--not only in scamdicappers but in writing critics (which Im very familiar too)--if all these editors, scam services were so brilliant why dont they make it happen themselves, bet 100K on games w/o fear of losing, write the great American novel or blockbuster screenplay... the world if full of suits who are going to tell people 'You cant make it alone,' or 'I KNOW BEST' ... scamdicappers are savage in the way they prey and beat down desperate gamblers--its really a sick, twisted world; not all resort to Patton tactics but many do, and 99% steal your money
the truth is in life, you have to believe in yourself and use mentors U trust, people not too busy or looking for your $$ right off ... Ive been writing and capping for years, I see many parallels to each, there are many scammers in literary world too, just like in services ... Im not going to name any names that have gone pay on various sites on the Internet, but I have yet to see or hear any fabulous tales of success ... sure some guy might be good in college, then rotten in pro, then the next year it reverses ... some highly respected (in these circles) head of another site has sent me Jags over Bills and Texas Tech over NC st the last 2 weeks to entice me to join his service; i wrote him back on Tech game explaining it would be a big loser b/c I had listened to the Tech/NM game & knew Red Raiders had NO defense ... course he never replied
Buyer beware, be patient with your plays and dont go in thinking UR going to get rich, for the 3% that actually show profit, they have to be the most disciplined and self confident of soul ... For anyone succumbing to pay for plays, it rings a distressing bell... I have been there and cannot shout it from enough rooftops to "run as fast as U can"
gl, gregg
Pujo had a great point
which i neglected to touch upon and always felt--not only in scamdicappers but in writing critics (which Im very familiar too)--if all these editors, scam services were so brilliant why dont they make it happen themselves, bet 100K on games w/o fear of losing, write the great American novel or blockbuster screenplay... the world if full of suits who are going to tell people 'You cant make it alone,' or 'I KNOW BEST' ... scamdicappers are savage in the way they prey and beat down desperate gamblers--its really a sick, twisted world; not all resort to Patton tactics but many do, and 99% steal your money
the truth is in life, you have to believe in yourself and use mentors U trust, people not too busy or looking for your $$ right off ... Ive been writing and capping for years, I see many parallels to each, there are many scammers in literary world too, just like in services ... Im not going to name any names that have gone pay on various sites on the Internet, but I have yet to see or hear any fabulous tales of success ... sure some guy might be good in college, then rotten in pro, then the next year it reverses ... some highly respected (in these circles) head of another site has sent me Jags over Bills and Texas Tech over NC st the last 2 weeks to entice me to join his service; i wrote him back on Tech game explaining it would be a big loser b/c I had listened to the Tech/NM game & knew Red Raiders had NO defense ... course he never replied
Buyer beware, be patient with your plays and dont go in thinking UR going to get rich, for the 3% that actually show profit, they have to be the most disciplined and self confident of soul ... For anyone succumbing to pay for plays, it rings a distressing bell... I have been there and cannot shout it from enough rooftops to "run as fast as U can"
gl, gregg
All of you guys make a valid point about not handing over our hard earned money to charletans. I trully believe that there are a great group of cappers in this forum and I DO follow some guys religeously, eg: Senor Capper. I was just curious to know if you guys could point me in a direction other than Madjacks, where I can do homework on games and allow myself a better and more efficient manner to cap a game. Thank you all for the responses as they have been most helpful
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pt1 don't talk about what you don't know calling everyone a scammer and why do they not play themself, well i do and do fine but to get ssi and other benifits i started a corp which has won above what was paid 35 out of 42 weeks in baseball boxing you can match anyone against me 73-13-1 nfl 9-1 this year so far and ncaa over 61% i have many clients that are from this site who will valadate that i have won some people over 100,000 grand= in a year in a half 2 of them are from here other guys hee are way up over 20 grand if they want to say who they are that is up to them but don't give me the bull shit everyone is a scammer and why don't they just play there own games when you don't have a clue, i pay taxes on winnings and have for 5 years but to make a retirement i had to inc myself with a service which i am a real crop check carson city so i could get back what i paid and pay into taxes which is more then i would get back to feed pepole on welfare to damn lazty to get a job i am setting here paying 26% in taxes and getting little in return long run on my money so i started a corp. that win and i get damn good write offs, love the all scam thing but have seen you in my threads thanking me for winners but on the other hand i am a scammer.
Fletcher,
Runs a good service. He is good and he is not a tout. He is about money management and does not "chase."
Not to mention, I can email him or call him ( I have only emailed thus far) if I want. You can not do that with a lot of ]services.
The best reason for him: he is about as honest and standup as you can get.
Runs a good service. He is good and he is not a tout. He is about money management and does not "chase."
Not to mention, I can email him or call him ( I have only emailed thus far) if I want. You can not do that with a lot of ]services.
The best reason for him: he is about as honest and standup as you can get.
I have been with fletcher for over 2 years now and I have always turned a profit under his watch. He is as honest, genuine and stand up as you can get. So many of you backstab the man and yet he still continues to help out around here.
Been with Fletcher....
Been with Fletcher....
just about from day one. Does he bust his ass? Is he as honest as they come? Is he always available to handle any questions or problems? The answer to all these questions is a resounding YES.
If a person chooses to not use a service that's fine. Don't rip on someone while being misinformed, that's not fine.
Oh yeah...does he win? just check the records...better yet I'll save you the time. HE WINS.
Been with Fletcher....
just about from day one. Does he bust his ass? Is he as honest as they come? Is he always available to handle any questions or problems? The answer to all these questions is a resounding YES.
If a person chooses to not use a service that's fine. Don't rip on someone while being misinformed, that's not fine.
Oh yeah...does he win? just check the records...better yet I'll save you the time. HE WINS.
fletcher is #1 act
never lies about his record and posts winning and losing weeks
fletcher=$$$$$$$$
everyone should be thankful he posts here
homerh
never lies about his record and posts winning and losing weeks
fletcher=$$$$$$$$
everyone should be thankful he posts here
homerh
Are their scammers out there? Of course there are . These are the guys with Games of the Year, Month, Week. These are the guys that offer locks. And just because they appear on television doesn't make them stand up.
But to say that ALL services are that way is just plain ignorance. I have been with Fletcher for some time. I have never seen a "lock." I have never seen a "Game of the Year," "Game of the Month," "PAC 10 Game of the Year" or anything remotely close.
What I have seen is something I desperately needed - a built in money management system and an emphasis on making a profit. I assume many players are like I was. On Saturday NCAA games we might start out and bet 4-5 morning games. If we won, we would bet more afternoon games trying to make a killing. If we lost, we chased our money. Maybe all of you have more self-control than I did. If so, congrats to you.
I hope I am not giving anything away by saying this. But
Fletcher's service designs plays with a money management system in place. If he is up big on Wednesday he might shut down for the week. If he is down big on Wednesday, he might shut down. There is no chasing - just a sound method of play that produces a profit on a regular bassis. If you are looking to play 5 or more baseball games per day, he isn't the guy for you. If you expect to get picks on 10 NCAA games per week he isn't the service you want. If you want to play every TV game in every sport, this isn't the place for you.
You can't make a blanket statement that all services are crooks. Fletcher is as far away from Mike Warren types as I am from Tom Cruise. I don't give a damn' why he runs a service because I am making a profit on every season. I know he puts his own money down on everything he posts, either at Jack's or on his service.
There are other exceptions. In fact, I will tell you another guy that I used years ago that was very good. His name was Ken Anglin. I paid him on the basis of percentage of profit based on my wager size. During the time I used him e was very good in football and baseball, not so hot in baskets. I know he is still in the business, but I have no idea how or what he is doing.
Pay services are not for everybody. If you have 40 hours a week to handicap, good for you. Call me lazy, ignorant or whatever. But I would rather let someone help me than assume that I have the time to know it all myself. If you think I am an idiot for doing so, go for it. I couldn't care less. But I will match Fletcher's record in every sport with anyone here or elsewhere. We have many great handicappers at Madjacks, there is no doubt about it. Using their advice for free is a great idea. We have PAC 10 experts, MAC experts and the like. That is why MJ's is far and away the best forum going. Just don't lump everyone in the with Jim Feist, Stu Feiner, Mike Warren, etc. crowd.
But to say that ALL services are that way is just plain ignorance. I have been with Fletcher for some time. I have never seen a "lock." I have never seen a "Game of the Year," "Game of the Month," "PAC 10 Game of the Year" or anything remotely close.
What I have seen is something I desperately needed - a built in money management system and an emphasis on making a profit. I assume many players are like I was. On Saturday NCAA games we might start out and bet 4-5 morning games. If we won, we would bet more afternoon games trying to make a killing. If we lost, we chased our money. Maybe all of you have more self-control than I did. If so, congrats to you.
I hope I am not giving anything away by saying this. But
Fletcher's service designs plays with a money management system in place. If he is up big on Wednesday he might shut down for the week. If he is down big on Wednesday, he might shut down. There is no chasing - just a sound method of play that produces a profit on a regular bassis. If you are looking to play 5 or more baseball games per day, he isn't the guy for you. If you expect to get picks on 10 NCAA games per week he isn't the service you want. If you want to play every TV game in every sport, this isn't the place for you.
You can't make a blanket statement that all services are crooks. Fletcher is as far away from Mike Warren types as I am from Tom Cruise. I don't give a damn' why he runs a service because I am making a profit on every season. I know he puts his own money down on everything he posts, either at Jack's or on his service.
There are other exceptions. In fact, I will tell you another guy that I used years ago that was very good. His name was Ken Anglin. I paid him on the basis of percentage of profit based on my wager size. During the time I used him e was very good in football and baseball, not so hot in baskets. I know he is still in the business, but I have no idea how or what he is doing.
Pay services are not for everybody. If you have 40 hours a week to handicap, good for you. Call me lazy, ignorant or whatever. But I would rather let someone help me than assume that I have the time to know it all myself. If you think I am an idiot for doing so, go for it. I couldn't care less. But I will match Fletcher's record in every sport with anyone here or elsewhere. We have many great handicappers at Madjacks, there is no doubt about it. Using their advice for free is a great idea. We have PAC 10 experts, MAC experts and the like. That is why MJ's is far and away the best forum going. Just don't lump everyone in the with Jim Feist, Stu Feiner, Mike Warren, etc. crowd.
I just want to echo the sentiments of the others who have praised Fletcher and his awesome service. I have been with him and his money making management system since day one. With him since I have started recording $, units, wins, and loses, I am up over 20k to be exact $20,740.00 now. I have never had a losing season in any sport with him,( his boxing is the tops) I only started that recently and on the last saturday of the mosley fight on one unit bets I made over 800.00.
I went through scammers when I was young and took a bath.
If you ever need Fletch you can call him or e-mail him and speak directly. Furthermore he allows me to bounce my plays off him and he gives his opinion and insight.
A very sincere follower,
Dugan
I went through scammers when I was young and took a bath.
If you ever need Fletch you can call him or e-mail him and speak directly. Furthermore he allows me to bounce my plays off him and he gives his opinion and insight.
A very sincere follower,
Dugan
