who do you think is the best handicapping service????

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I really cannot believe what I have read here. Where ever one is in life there will always be someone out there trying to put one over on them, be it politicians, handicappers or whatever. For those that have read my threads will know I come from England and Yes we have many poor handicappers here aswell. I came herer to MJ's to increase my knowledge of American sport, hear news and views and receive match up advices.

I quickly realised who were the more prominant cappers that liked to cap two rain drops falling down a glass window, but for every one of those, here is one that is good and genuine. Some people have a knack in one area while others just have a feel for all sports.

I cap european sport, mainly soccer, cricket and tennis and yes I am successful. I choose not to have a pay service, although that may change in the near future. Does that automatically make me a scamdicapper.

It is grossly un-fair to list all people who decide to go down this route as scandicappers. Go to most monitor sites and see this years performance figures and a breakdown of selections. I will say most cappers have lost over the seasons. They may have won at NBA last year only to lose it in baseball. What is wrong with that. No one can be perfect. I have a friend who was offered a very prominant position with a bookmaker in the UK because he won consistantly from them for three years. His stakes were reduced until he was being refused a bet point blankly. He turned down the job with the bookmaker and set up business and has produced his clients 400 points profit in just over two and a half years.

Now what has got my back up is the mention of people from this site who have set up in the business of supplying handicapped games on a pay service. All of those people I would think have set up for different reasons but I have dealt with a few of them. Early in the baseball season I contacted Fletcher for advice because I was down 40 units trying to cap the games myself. Yeah I know its supposed to be the easiest game in all of America to win at but heck, most have lost here at this site this season if they were honest with themselves. Now FLETCHER contacted me almost immeadiatly and appologised that he could not reply with any help there and then because he was just going out with his partner for an evening meal but he would respond. Now this is from a guy that would only have known me from reading my posts here at madjacks and then there was a good possibility that he wouldn't have because we posted in different forum sections. I could not have been more impressed with what he had to share with me. He offered me his service plays in baseball and I offered some money in return but he flatly refused saying his reward would be to see me get something out of his plays. NOW THAT IS WHAT I CALL A GENUINE GUY. Also don't forget this person is in and out of hospital for physio on his leg which he has again just recently broken but in and around all this he still has time to reply to his service members, post plays here at MJ's and his own site. It would not be in my nature to recommend any pay service to anyone but this man would be an exception to the rule. When I have myself sorted out over the next six months or so I know I will be going back to a man who is HONEST, SAYS IT HOW HE SEE'S IT AND HAS PROVED THAT HE WILL BE A WINNER IN MOST (if not all) SPORTS.

Fletcher also takes losses to heart because he knows when he loses his members have lost aswell. He e-mails his members, not with excuses but what he intends to do to rectify the matter. He has been slated by members who expect miracles and winning weeks every week. These people shouldn't be paying for services, they shouldn't be wagering because they have no under standing of money management and what goes into making a steady profit.

So the bottom line to pt1 and others. Don't make rash comments and put all under the same roof. There are good cappers, poor cappers, crap cappers and indifferent cappers, but only those you phone you up with plays or continue to send you e-mails enticing you to part with your $$$ are scamdicappers.

Sorry Fletcher that you have been mentioned as a scamdicapper. To me you are a first class guy who wishes to help those who seek it or haven't the time to cap games due to other commitments or those that know that in the long run you will produce a profit across the board for 12 months a year.
 

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fletcher if you win and make people money

fletcher if you win and make people money

you are in that 1% and thats awesome, good for you ... But as I said and will always say, all I have met is scammers ... I dont think I have been in all too many of your threads thanking you for picks, but If i have I have done that for many on this site, just like atoy and many who feel some kinhsip of support for others ... as U know there are certain others that opted for pay for plays who have been on this site and other sites that have lost a lot of money who'll go unnamed ... so I feel warning some newbies its treacherous out there is not out of line

Im sorry you feel threatened but I didnt call you out by name... for those winning from your service, that's great ... best of luck and continued success

I'd love to se a poll of all MJs that believe or dont believe in paying for plays ... I know Id bet that the vast majority dont

take care
gregg
 

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Trust me you are no threat to me, i just do not like the fact where you said eveyone is a scammer i will give you around 88-90% are and do not play the games they give out but you just felt like lumping everyone in together as 1 life does not work that way. yes it is a bad businees to be in because of scammers and wish there was same way to clean it out but you must understand your biggest scammers have tons of money so it is a hard fight to win.

have a good weekend

Eric
 

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Some of you need to chill out. I didn't see anyone attacking Fletcher by name or even vaguely referring to him. If he makes you good money, which I believe he probably does, that's great. But he's a big boy and he doesn't need an army of ass-kissers giving sermons for him when no one has even questioned him.
 

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To refer to the first question that was posed in this thread, I cn only answer with my experiences. I feel like this thread has gone the way of infomercial with the testimonials, but I think that attests to the job that Fletcher has done for his players. I never, and I mean never made money until I started paying him, and now I do. I felt before as if I was just taking a chance and now I see it as a way to consistently make money.

My problem with just Madjacks, is I consistently would see guys playing opposite sides, and I wouldn't know who to follow, and would bounce all over without having a gameplan in place. I now do very little work, and do well.

I am a money manager, and many people believe that one should handle their own investing, but many people PAY me to give them investment advice because the don't have the time or understanding to handle it themselves. I think that they are better off for paying me, and I think thet my clients would agree.

I think Michael Dell, or someone richer than me said "I'm not that smart, I just surround myself with people smarter than myself." And in this case, Fletcher is smarter, and much more capable of making money for me. I honestly don't have the time, wherewithal, or discipline to make money myself, so that is how I handle it.
 

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i believe

i believe

that fletch,pt1 and jeff all make valid points.....pt1 saying 95% of pay services are scammers or set-ups whose #1 goal is to try and extract as much money as possible from their clientele is probably true.....

jeff saying that nobody mentioned fletch by name and that fletch can handle himself....that is absolutely true...

and fletch getting a tad tight assed at the pay service comments....i`m not a member of fletch`s service but we discuss boxing from time to time...it`s hard to lump him into the "pay service morass" because his venture was born of his activity here at jacks and i believe another site which i lost track of........and from what i understand,it`s not handled like these "cookie cutter" services....the guy`s in vegas and i have already e-mailed him regarding fights in vegas or important info and he has always helped me...not being a pay service guy,i really don`t actually know how he conducts his business...but i do know that everytime that i ask for info or some help with something the guy is more than willing to help as much as he can....

thus,i think that is the reason so many come to fletch`s defense when there`s some disagreement involving him(or in this case,not involving him).......he is a fellow who is accessable,a nice guy and an easy mark if you need some help and are one of the madjacks family....

jeff and pt1 are 2 of the guy`s whose football threads are must reads for me....they provide alot of solid,valuable info to the forum........i think jeff said it best....we all need to chill...g.l.,guys...
 
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Pt 1 Guard - despite your conscending, though no doubt honest reply to Fletcher, I still feel that you have a need to denounce ALL and I mean ALL pay services.

Your words - I'd love to se a poll of all MJs that believe or dont believe in paying for plays ... I know Id bet that the vast majority dont.

Who gives a flying f about what the majority of MJ posters think about this? What would it prove? I would bet that there are a million people out there (only a few MJ people) that believe they have been captured by aliens and given flying saucer rides. So what? There is no right or wrong answer to the question. It is simply a matter of personal choice - I don't care who handicaps their own games. I don't care who Wayne Root's "Early Seaon Game of the Year is either. We all make choices and live with them. The answers here certainly indicate that there is a certain percentage, by no means a majority, of people that have found value in employing a consultant on sports matters. How is this different than your stock broker? Please let us fools continue to pay if we want. And the best of luck to you this weekend!
 

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I have a question. Is Fletchers service tracked? Any way I can see his service plays after the games have played out. I keep hearing how good he is and how his service is top notch, i would like to track him and see for myself. I am pretty sure he has his service picks tracked so please give me the site where i could see them. I just like to see the results and how good he is verses just relying on word of mouth. I def. would not trust a site that does not have their service tracked or plays posted after the game to the public. For example, KC WOLF (madjacker who went pay) posts his plays the next day on his site and his record.

By the way, i agree with you PT1GARD on all your points except i would say 70% of the services are not good.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!!
 
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Fletcher HANDS DOWN is the ONLY capper i give, and would give my hard earned $$$ to. The guy is top notch, the best capper ive seen, and keeps winning and winning. He is the ONLY capper I refer other guys to, and they like him as well. I cant remember the last time we had a losing week, they are few and far between..........
 

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I would never pay for a service, but if I did if would have to be someone that posts a record of his plays. If you go to Fletcher's site its shows his record and how he wins most weeks. I think Fletcher is a very honest guy. Now the other 4 that went pay recently thats another story. To my knowledge only 1 of them has ever posted a record and 1 of them lost so many units at his other service that anyone that actually played his plays probably filed bankruptcy or jumped off a bridge. I probably shouldnt say anymore cause I'll get the whole ass kissing fan club on me again for telling the truth.
 

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Ok . Ok. just read the posts here and like many others have been scammed from time time in the past, but usually not for long. Since that time I decided to go my onw and developed a system that worked very well for about five years and produced good solid reults in the NFL but only the NFL. I was so convinced in my results I started to do it professionally, but only for one year. The reason it was only for one year is because my system, for one reason or another, went belly up that year and has never been the same since. Instead of scamming opther people put of hard earned cash I gave up the venture but learned a few things in the process. 1. I only follow cappers that are monitored by Sportswatch in Vegas, or the Sports Monitor in Ok City. I was going to have the Monitor review and report my selections. 2. That there are services out there that can, and do, produce good results. I happened to hook up with Northcoast and have followed Steele for three years now and have never lost money with him. Last year was horrendous for his service and I only broke even because all 4 of his GOY plays were dead on. However he had the integrity to comp me many months of selections and even comped me the game of the years in the end. He is monitored by both the above m entioned companies and I know that he is truthful in his W/L reports, although he does slant the numbers in a positive light as any good business man would do. Fletcher I have just joined this forum and found your selections to be informative and helpful and would like to thank you for that. However, Pt1Gard was not pointing you out as a scapegoat for all scamdicappers out there (and there are many) If your selectioons are as good as everyone in here says they are then you have succeeded where I could not and congratulations as it is a very tough business to have any consistent level of success in. Perhaps someday I will also join your service. I was intrigued enough to go to your web site and and the records you post there are indeed remarkable and hard to find in this industry. (Hitting 60% is what I have come to expect is doing well) I also noticed that you are montitored by the Sports Monitor and that is another very positive sign that you are a man of your word and do a good job at capping games. One thing I had a question about though, and again I DO NOT IN ANY WAY INTEND to be attacking your results or your service. Please do not take it that way as I am new here and might not understand how the monitoring process actually goes. I saw that you post a 9-1 record in the NFL this year though, and when I went to Sports Monitor web site I didn't see your companies name on the leaderboard. Am I overlooking something, or am I not looking on the right record page? I saw another company that had a 9-1 record in the NFL is that perhaps your company but under a different name? Just curious, because really good Cappers are hard to find and as Pt1Gard pointed out few and far between. The ones that are as good as you and your clientele swear too are worth their weight in gold and I wouldn't want to be passing up an opportunity to do much better than I am on my own or with Northcoast.

Sincerely, and without any slams intended

Brad
 

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Why pay a site for picks that will send you crap mail when you can get just about every service pick from this forum?
 

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Fletcher posts his win loss record but not his plays and his service is not monitered. Why?

I am not saying he runs a bad service or is dishonest. From all the positive comments about him and his service, sounds like he is good guy and his service is legit. But i just don't know why his plays are not posted or his service not monitered.

FIGHT ON!!!!!!!
 

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Anybody who pays for picks is a sucker. Period. You're even a bigger sucker if you sing the praises of the very service that is fleecing you. That's how these services work. They piss on you and tell you it's raining. Some are better at it than others.
 

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have been using silky sullivan from don wagners website for last two years. excellent results in football, baskets (college and nba) and bases. don't know what the problem is. no different than using a stock broker. results posted day after. just sitting back winning money. seems pretty simple to me. just have to be disciplined and only play what she gives out. there are several good services out there. glta.
 

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I have written several times before about the pitfalls of services so I won't rehash any of that.

Every service has its ups and downs. Obviously you want to avoid scammers, with "scammers" defined as guys who don't play their own plays and string you alone charging higher and higher amounts for plays if they hit a winning streak. usually these guys can be identified by their tendency to make outrageous claims and make hard sells.

Another category that I have noticed popping up is websites that are home to a group of handicappers, usually between 5 or 10. In general the records on these sites are monitored but not always. In most cases it seems that these type of handicappers are guys who are out to make a few bucks off their plays. There is a decent chance that many of them do not play all their plays, but they are relatively harmless in the sense that they don't bait you with higher priced plays and you usually only sign up for a day or a week so you limit your losses.

Still another category would be the growing group of services that start based on success in public forums like Mad Jack's. Fletcher was involved in services before coming to Mad Jack's but certainly his notoriety here helped launch his service in its current form so he sort of fits into this category but not really. In some ways it is unfair to group him with kcwolf's, ndnfan's and THUNDER's services because those guys all were not involved in services prior to coming using public forums to showcase their handicapping skills.

Here are my opinons of these specific services since they are more well known to most Madjackers. This might not make me any friends, but these are my honest opinions.

fletcher is a legitimate service. In many ways he runs his service in direct opposition to some of the principles of handicapping that I have used for a long time, but his success speaks for itself (as does my recent failure). I think part of the reason is that running a service is a different animal than handicapping for yourself and posting free plays. You are partially responsible for people's bankroll so you have to take care of your clients.

That ability to take care and keep weekly and monthly bankroll management in mind is, in my opinion, what separates a guy like kcwolf from fletcher. In my opinion kcwolf is an extremely sharp handicapper but his overall service record is disappointing. My feeling on his service is that kcwolf is learning to make the adjustment between simply posting what he plays and releasing plays like a service. Given that he has sharp players working with him and the fact that he is a strong handicapper himself, I believe that he will eventually post strong results.

ndnfan is a good handicapper but I must admit I was surprised to see him move on to his own service. I won't pretend to say that I know him as well as I know kcwolf or fletcher, but it seems to me that ndnfan might fall into the category of being a competent handicapper who bit off more than he could chew initially in taking on the responsibility of running a service. The good news is that after his rocky start, he's certainly posted good results this month so perhaps he's adjusted well to the rigors of running a service and is on track for positive results.

Thunder and Raymond's service is the newest of the major Mad Jack's defectors. Early on, there have been troubling signs. There was the well publicized hubbub about unsolicited emails promoting their service. They also have no monitoring of their plays. As for the handicappers, Steel City is beyond reproach. He has posted an honest record publicly for quite some time. Nobody can ever predict how one's results will translate when starting a service, but Steel City has meticulous documentation, which is a great sign.

Roger is something of an enigma. He has posted strong results, especially on NBA totals, for quite some time at Madjacks, but he has posted spectacularly poor results at Bestbettor. Thunder has always seemed to be a good handicapper. His money management system was tough to accurately track, but seemed on the up and up. The problem, of course, has been his refusal to post a public record for his handicappers and his decision to use unsolicited mass marketing emails.

Raymond is a unique story. Certainly he has a following. He also has two failed service attempts in his wake and he is on his third service in a year and a half. His plays have always been hard to track because he hadn't posted consistent unit values until recently. When Raymond and I have spoken he has always been a grounded individual, so I am hoping that he harnesses those periods of success he's had and extrapolates that long term. Perhaps moving to a new money management system will stimulate that.

As far as the Ray and Thunder's service as a whole goes, it is a tough nut to crack. The positive is that the service is extremely low priced. The negative is that if you take all four people's plays, you are going to risk a rediculous percentage of your bankroll each day and there is no posted record to use to judge the service's quality.

I'll refrain from making specific recommendations for these four services. I have a certain playing style that would fit better with some services compared to others. That might not be the case for other Madjackers, so what I my filet mignon might be dog meat to the next person.

If anyone does want more specific recommendations, you can always email me off my free picks page.
 

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ndnfan is down about 20 units in baseball.he has promised to give those of us who are clients a refund.kcwolf is down 130 units in baseball.there is a big difference.ndnfan refuses to expose his clients to risking 20 plus units daily to make a comeback.he may be losing this year but he is not protecting his clients from going broke.for this i respect him.
 
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