Hey, shortly after 9/11 members of Congress stood on the steps of the Capitol holding little American Flags and sang "God Bless America".
What more do you want?
Why does the liberal press keep referring to them as "immigrants"?
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Hey, shortly after 9/11 members of Congress stood on the steps of the Capitol holding little American Flags and sang "God Bless America".
What more do you want?
Good question. Who runs Congress? It hasn't been Democrats in a very long time. White House either. That's an interesting indication of your blindness to use the liberal and democrat labels over an issue that Republicans have had every ability to to do something about.dr. freeze said:
When will you learn, this not a right-left isuue. It's Wealth versus the rest of us. Interesting that you detest the idea of raising the minimum wage, yet also have a problem with illegal immigration. It's the low wages which fuel our wonderful companies in their drive to get as many illegals here and payoff the politicians who can do something about it.
kosar said:Was with you on most of the rest, but of course we have to throw in 'liberal politics.' Democrats are the only ones trying to appease the hispanics. I think I got it.
because the left sees this from the prizm of "will this get me re-elected" and pandering to the hispanic vote while demonizing (calling racist) others is EXACTLY what the left is about
the republicans aren't much better because, like most issues simialr to this one, they let their fear of being stero-typed as racist be the deciding factor in weather or not to support/oppose this issue (instead of what is in the best interst of the country) in the end the republicans wont get any of these votes anyway because the left has a monopoly on these people and their fears and in the end, their votes.
It's not about fear of labels or pandering, IT"S ABOUT MONEY.
We gotta get this right-left crap out of our heads. That's exactly what the decision makers want us to be arguing over - meanwhile all of them (right and left) are effectively squeezing us out of better wages and benefits.
Absolutely amazing that anyone critical of this can even mention liberals. Republicans run everything right now. Open your eyes and ears. Your in so much denial about your party being JUST AS BAD as the other one, that you actually reach this far to try and rationalize a blame on the side that doesn't control anything these days.
We gotta get this right-left crap out of our heads. That's exactly what the decision makers want us to be arguing over - meanwhile all of them (right and left) are effectively squeezing us out of better wages and benefits.
Absolutely amazing that anyone critical of this can even mention liberals. Republicans run everything right now. Open your eyes and ears. Your in so much denial about your party being JUST AS BAD as the other one, that you actually reach this far to try and rationalize a blame on the side that doesn't control anything these days.
here is an example of americans losing some jobs.....
Arrival of aliens ousts U.S. workers
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
April 10, 2006
An Alabama employment agency that sent 70 laborers and construction workers to job sites in that state in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina says the men were sent home after just two weeks on the job by employers who told them "the Mexicans had arrived" and were willing to work for less.
Linda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.
"After Katrina, our company had 70 workers on the job the first day, but the companies decided they didn't need them anymore because the Mexicans had arrived," Mrs. Swope said. "I assure you it is not true that Americans don't want to work.
"We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane," she said. "When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried ... and we cried with them. This is a shame."
Mrs. Swope said employment agencies throughout Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi faced similar problems, when thousands of men from Mexico and several Central and South American countries -- many in crowded buses and trucks -- came into the three states after Katrina, looking for employment and willing to work for less money.
The number of foreign workers who flooded the area after the hurricane has been estimated at more than 30,000. Many of them have been identified by law-enforcement authorities and others as illegal aliens.
The Gulf Coast Latin American Association noted in a report that whether those workers will remain after the cleanup work is completed is not clear, but the longer those jobs last, the more likely it is that the workers will settle permanently. After Hurricane Andrew hit southeastern Florida in 1992, the association said, the construction boom attracted large numbers of Hispanic immigrants to several areas, including Homestead, Fla., where the Latino population doubled during the 1990s.
Many of the illegal aliens came into the Gulf Coast states not only from south of the border but also from California, Arizona and Texas, responding to the demand for workers. U.S. Border Patrol officials in the three states have reported an increase in the number of illegals apprehended.
Some of the migrants who did get jobs in the Gulf states also were mistreated, records show. Two class-action lawsuits are pending in federal court in New Orleans in which thousands of migrant workers said they never were paid, although many worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week and were required to remove toxic contamination from hurricane-ravaged buildings.
Some of the named companies were working on contracts from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other government agencies.
Government estimates put at 400,000 the number of jobs lost in the Gulf region as a result of Katrina, which displaced more than 1.5 million people, and many of those workers left the area to seek employment elsewhere because available construction, laborer and cleanup jobs in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi had been filled by foreign workers, including illegal aliens.
President Bush last week signed the Katrina Emergency Assistance Act of 2006, which extended for 13 weeks unemployment compensation benefits to more than 140,000 residents of the Gulf states who were displaced from their jobs by Katrina. Their benefits, funded by FEMA, had expired March 4.
Would-be employers in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, awash in cleanup and reconstruction jobs, faced little in the way of legal problems in hiring the illegal aliens after Katrina because the Department of Homeland Security temporarily suspended the sanctioning of employers who hired workers unable to document their citizenship.
Mr. Bush also had suspended the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires local contractors to pay "prevailing" wages, in the areas hit by Katrina to encourage reconstruction and cleanup.
"The men we sent to jobs in Alabama were local fellows looking for work, men who needed jobs," Mrs. Swope said. "After driving 50 miles to the work sites where they had been promised $10 an hour, they discovered the employers had found substitutes who were willing to work for less."
Arrival of aliens ousts U.S. workers
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
April 10, 2006
An Alabama employment agency that sent 70 laborers and construction workers to job sites in that state in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina says the men were sent home after just two weeks on the job by employers who told them "the Mexicans had arrived" and were willing to work for less.
Linda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.
"After Katrina, our company had 70 workers on the job the first day, but the companies decided they didn't need them anymore because the Mexicans had arrived," Mrs. Swope said. "I assure you it is not true that Americans don't want to work.
"We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane," she said. "When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried ... and we cried with them. This is a shame."
Mrs. Swope said employment agencies throughout Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi faced similar problems, when thousands of men from Mexico and several Central and South American countries -- many in crowded buses and trucks -- came into the three states after Katrina, looking for employment and willing to work for less money.
The number of foreign workers who flooded the area after the hurricane has been estimated at more than 30,000. Many of them have been identified by law-enforcement authorities and others as illegal aliens.
The Gulf Coast Latin American Association noted in a report that whether those workers will remain after the cleanup work is completed is not clear, but the longer those jobs last, the more likely it is that the workers will settle permanently. After Hurricane Andrew hit southeastern Florida in 1992, the association said, the construction boom attracted large numbers of Hispanic immigrants to several areas, including Homestead, Fla., where the Latino population doubled during the 1990s.
Many of the illegal aliens came into the Gulf Coast states not only from south of the border but also from California, Arizona and Texas, responding to the demand for workers. U.S. Border Patrol officials in the three states have reported an increase in the number of illegals apprehended.
Some of the migrants who did get jobs in the Gulf states also were mistreated, records show. Two class-action lawsuits are pending in federal court in New Orleans in which thousands of migrant workers said they never were paid, although many worked 12-hour shifts, seven days a week and were required to remove toxic contamination from hurricane-ravaged buildings.
Some of the named companies were working on contracts from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and other government agencies.
Government estimates put at 400,000 the number of jobs lost in the Gulf region as a result of Katrina, which displaced more than 1.5 million people, and many of those workers left the area to seek employment elsewhere because available construction, laborer and cleanup jobs in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi had been filled by foreign workers, including illegal aliens.
President Bush last week signed the Katrina Emergency Assistance Act of 2006, which extended for 13 weeks unemployment compensation benefits to more than 140,000 residents of the Gulf states who were displaced from their jobs by Katrina. Their benefits, funded by FEMA, had expired March 4.
Would-be employers in Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi, awash in cleanup and reconstruction jobs, faced little in the way of legal problems in hiring the illegal aliens after Katrina because the Department of Homeland Security temporarily suspended the sanctioning of employers who hired workers unable to document their citizenship.
Mr. Bush also had suspended the Davis-Bacon Act, which requires local contractors to pay "prevailing" wages, in the areas hit by Katrina to encourage reconstruction and cleanup.
"The men we sent to jobs in Alabama were local fellows looking for work, men who needed jobs," Mrs. Swope said. "After driving 50 miles to the work sites where they had been promised $10 an hour, they discovered the employers had found substitutes who were willing to work for less."
here is a case of violence....
here is a case of violence....
Assault underscores tension as Congress weighs immigration reform
April 10, 2006
PORTLAND, Maine --Dozens of people pressing for rights for illegal immigrants gathered for a peaceful demonstration on Monday just minutes after a counter-protestor was bloodied by a teenager who hid his face with a bandanna.
The attacker, described as a Hispanic teenager, went after one of three white people carrying signs arguing that illegals have no rights, police said.
As the teen fled, the victim dropped to the pavement after being hit with something heavy that the teen had carried, possibly in a sock or a bandanna, said Portland Police Sgt. Robin Gauvin. There were no arrests as of late afternoon.
The victim, identified as Robert Gorman, 23, of Portland, was hauled away in an ambulance minutes before 200 people gathered. He was treated and released from Maine Medical Center.
"When you promote violence, you get violence," said the Rev. Virginia Maria Rincon, one of the organizers. "Our rally is about promoting a peaceful dialogue."
About 200 people gathered at Monument Square to voice support for reforms that would legalize undocumented immigrants. The rally was one of many across the country on Sunday and Monday calling for Congress to promote immigrants' rights.
One of the organizers, Portland attorney Rafael Galvez, said people won't forget how members of Congress vote. "They will be remembered for how they vote on this sensitive issue. They can be compassionate, or cruel," Galvez said.
The demonstrators of all colors carried signs and chanted. "This is our America. "This is what America looks like," Shenna Bellows, executive director of the Maine Civil Liberties Union, said through a bullhorn to the cheering crowd.
Not everyone agreed with the majority view. Jonathan Talbot of Portland said he supported the views of the man who was assaulted.
"I think we should enforce the laws we have. Then we go from there to decide what we want to do to assimilate these people into society," Talbot said. He described the Border Patrol's efforts as a "catch-and-release" program.
? Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
here is a case of violence....
Assault underscores tension as Congress weighs immigration reform
April 10, 2006
PORTLAND, Maine --Dozens of people pressing for rights for illegal immigrants gathered for a peaceful demonstration on Monday just minutes after a counter-protestor was bloodied by a teenager who hid his face with a bandanna.
The attacker, described as a Hispanic teenager, went after one of three white people carrying signs arguing that illegals have no rights, police said.
As the teen fled, the victim dropped to the pavement after being hit with something heavy that the teen had carried, possibly in a sock or a bandanna, said Portland Police Sgt. Robin Gauvin. There were no arrests as of late afternoon.
The victim, identified as Robert Gorman, 23, of Portland, was hauled away in an ambulance minutes before 200 people gathered. He was treated and released from Maine Medical Center.
"When you promote violence, you get violence," said the Rev. Virginia Maria Rincon, one of the organizers. "Our rally is about promoting a peaceful dialogue."
About 200 people gathered at Monument Square to voice support for reforms that would legalize undocumented immigrants. The rally was one of many across the country on Sunday and Monday calling for Congress to promote immigrants' rights.
One of the organizers, Portland attorney Rafael Galvez, said people won't forget how members of Congress vote. "They will be remembered for how they vote on this sensitive issue. They can be compassionate, or cruel," Galvez said.
The demonstrators of all colors carried signs and chanted. "This is our America. "This is what America looks like," Shenna Bellows, executive director of the Maine Civil Liberties Union, said through a bullhorn to the cheering crowd.
Not everyone agreed with the majority view. Jonathan Talbot of Portland said he supported the views of the man who was assaulted.
"I think we should enforce the laws we have. Then we go from there to decide what we want to do to assimilate these people into society," Talbot said. He described the Border Patrol's efforts as a "catch-and-release" program.
? Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Who is going to pick the grapes, build the houses, clean the Vegas hotels and ride the horses (just had to add something for a gambling site), and do all the other jobs that us filthy rich Americans find are too lowly for us to do? Then you might say, "well how bout that guy at the corner of 5th and Walnut with the sign saying Hep me I'm Homeless, huh Haskell?"
Other than the fact that he's mentally ill because we cut funding in the 80's for mental health programs many "legal" Americans won't take these jobs because they pay below the poverty line. Then if you raise wages, your next half pound of grapes will cost $15.00, the 3 bedroom Cape Cod will go for $750,000 and you'll still lose on #5 in the 6th at Aqueduct.
I'm not supporting illegals. I'm just saying, no easy answers to this one boys. I think the big dummy's best bet on this one was to leave it alone. But of course, as usual, he didn't and f***ed it up.
Eddie
Other than the fact that he's mentally ill because we cut funding in the 80's for mental health programs many "legal" Americans won't take these jobs because they pay below the poverty line. Then if you raise wages, your next half pound of grapes will cost $15.00, the 3 bedroom Cape Cod will go for $750,000 and you'll still lose on #5 in the 6th at Aqueduct.
I'm not supporting illegals. I'm just saying, no easy answers to this one boys. I think the big dummy's best bet on this one was to leave it alone. But of course, as usual, he didn't and f***ed it up.
Eddie
bjfinste said:
I agree w/bj he said it exactly right. WTF is the deal the mexican flags they are doing that in my city also. Hell if you want to sell on letting u become us citiziens u need to do 2 things:
WAVE AMERICAN FLAGS
LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH
They are protesting here in spanish, hell no normal white guy like me has a clue what they are chanting.. geez learn the language, everybody had to that came here, I just don't like the idea of having to be forced to learn spanish in my own country.
Eddie Haskell said:
maybe if we could get some tort reform passed,the lawyers could do those jobs.....
finally become productive members of our society...
Eddie Haskell said:
Good to hear from you Eddie. Who will fill those jobs? Quite possibly the same people, only they will be filtered into the country through legal means, instead of this anarchy we currently have at the border.
I think your attitude that these jobs are beneath Americans is wrong. We have no problem doing any kind of work - as long as the wages and benefits are reasonable.
-Saul
once the flood of uneducated illegal aliens coming to this country, many with prior criminal records,many with diseases basically non-existant in america for decades,(who knows what immunizations these people have had?) using tax-payer resources.....
once they compete with minorities and legal immigrants for low skill jobs and drive wages down, and bring along the culture of lawlessness and corruption mexico is so famous for, reaches a certain level.......
eventually our standard of living will approach mexican levels, and the level of illegal immigration will drop off......
so,no need to worry... it all comes out in the wash... :yup
once they compete with minorities and legal immigrants for low skill jobs and drive wages down, and bring along the culture of lawlessness and corruption mexico is so famous for, reaches a certain level.......
eventually our standard of living will approach mexican levels, and the level of illegal immigration will drop off......
so,no need to worry... it all comes out in the wash... :yup
i`d bet that 90% of young males holding signs at these rally`s are there for one reason only.... that is to score easy liberal chicks that have the intelligience of a lobotomized valley girl, and have less morals than a degenerate crack whore.......
that`s why smurphy`s a liberal....
that`s why smurphy`s a liberal....
vincente fox the hypocrite....
in brief, the mexican constitution states that:
"--immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.....
"--immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.....
"--immigrants are denied equal employment rights......
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real mexican citizens.....
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service......
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.......
"-private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities....
"--immigrants may be expelled from mexico for any reason and without due process......
had a ball watching c-span....as the invaders demand "rights" in spanish and compare themselves to m.l.k....... :142smilie
btw.... it was nice to see teddy kennedy at one of the rally`s.... trying to make it a "civil rights" issue...... lol
ted has to be about two or three cases of scotch away from his liver exploding........
in brief, the mexican constitution states that:
"--immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.....
"--immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.....
"--immigrants are denied equal employment rights......
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real mexican citizens.....
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service......
"--immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.......
"-private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities....
"--immigrants may be expelled from mexico for any reason and without due process......
had a ball watching c-span....as the invaders demand "rights" in spanish and compare themselves to m.l.k....... :142smilie
btw.... it was nice to see teddy kennedy at one of the rally`s.... trying to make it a "civil rights" issue...... lol
ted has to be about two or three cases of scotch away from his liver exploding........
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I have an idea, since there seems to be a many in support - how about a voluntary 10% tax to pay for it, so all the money to pay for these fools and their families comes out of that kitty. Keep it on a 1:1 relationship so one person coming in is allocated the amount necessary and only allow as many in as the funds will allow. I bet the support will shrivel to nothing due to having to put your money where your mouth is.
"Who is going to pick the grapes, build the houses, clean the Vegas hotels and ride the horses (just had to add something for a gambling site), and do all the other jobs that us filthy rich Americans find are too lowly for us to do?"
Who's been doing it for the last 100 years Edward?
1st four years you were on employment figures--no jobs
Now We don't have enough people to fill jobs?
Which is it?-Depends which way the wind blows.
Matt is correct you have both parties sucking for hispanic vote--and no doubt it will be the swing vote of the future.
Hopefully the conservatives win out.
With Dems already contoling 80% of black vote-80% of gay vote and trying to push through eligibilty for felons to vote--we will have two Americas if they control the hipanic vote.
However somewhere down the road I have to believe there will be a divide between black and hispanic vote as black population will suffer the most over hispanic labor force.
Best scenerio I can see is let each state dictate their own rules--and let them live with consequences of their convictions.
---and on grape picking ect
If they don't have cheap labor to pick them--what is their alternative--pay higher price or let them rot--which do you think they will opt for.
The nice thing about free enterprise ,"IF" allowed to work,it adapts to situation on its own.
Who's been doing it for the last 100 years Edward?
1st four years you were on employment figures--no jobs
Now We don't have enough people to fill jobs?
Which is it?-Depends which way the wind blows.
Matt is correct you have both parties sucking for hispanic vote--and no doubt it will be the swing vote of the future.
Hopefully the conservatives win out.
With Dems already contoling 80% of black vote-80% of gay vote and trying to push through eligibilty for felons to vote--we will have two Americas if they control the hipanic vote.
However somewhere down the road I have to believe there will be a divide between black and hispanic vote as black population will suffer the most over hispanic labor force.
Best scenerio I can see is let each state dictate their own rules--and let them live with consequences of their convictions.
---and on grape picking ect
If they don't have cheap labor to pick them--what is their alternative--pay higher price or let them rot--which do you think they will opt for.
The nice thing about free enterprise ,"IF" allowed to work,it adapts to situation on its own.
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Lets be fair to MR Bush he did get 41% of the Hispanic vote. Lets not forget it was Reagan in 86 that gave those here at that time amnesty. But problem was he for got the wall. So when everyone wants to point left. Seems we have some right sided action been going on for years.
The reason for this because so many pride-filled people on the right simply refuse to accept the reality that the people they voted for are not looking out for their interests.StevieD said:
It's much easier to be in denial and deflect blame rather than admit to being wrong about something or making a mistake.
No matter what the outcome with border security, illegal immigration, Iraq, the budget, the environment, etc - It will always somehow be the fault of the Liberals, regardless of who is in power.
