Will they find the plane this weekend?

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I have a feeling the US Govt may know more than they are releasing. I wonder if we can look back with our satellite capabilities to actually follow the historical path of the plane. I have a feeling we have the technological capability to do so live but I'm not sure at night if that would be possible.
 

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Most aircraft, once retired, are not serviceable for long and used for salvage. Also, to get a plane out of a boneyard or to purchase an aircraft abroad still requires registration and would not be of use to a terrorist organization unless they didn't care about identification. Also, if the plane had ditched (crashed into the sea) the ELT (emergency locator transmitters) would have immediately activated and they aren't something you can get to in flight to deactivate. Much is being made about the ACARS being shutoff. Think of this as nothing more than a fax machine on an airplane. Messages can be sent and received from them and engine status reports are sent to Rolls Royce during flight via this machine. Airlines regularly fly with these completely disabled and are not necessary for safety of flight. You would be surprised how many planes go out without them. It is not normally used for tracking or identification. Transponders or IFF as it is sometimes called generally are used for identification. They can be switched off easily in flight.
Rapid descent doesn't make anyone pass out except on television. Rapid depressurization at altitude can make you lose consciousness due to lack of oxygen anywhere above 10,000 feet but it takes time and you would know something was wrong.
The most important point of the entire thing is the flight path. The aircraft was flown to purposefully avoid detection in known flight paths that had little or no known radar or TCAS coverage(another aircraft identification system that is hard wired into the aircraft electronics system or EICAS).
I obviously cannot say with any certainty what happened but knowing what I know after 24 years working on Boeing aircraft, from what I can gather, that plane was hijacked and ultimately crashed in the Indian Ocean. My immediate thoughts are that it will be found in the next month or so.


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FDC, what makes you think it's in the Indian Ocean and not landed somewhere? I just wonder why they would hijack the plane and then fly it that far off course just to land it in the ocean. Why not land it somewhere to make a big scene of it. Of course maybe they were trying to get somewhere specific but ended up crashing in the Indian Ocean. I'm just asking because planes are definitely something you know.
 

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FDC, what makes you think it's in the Indian Ocean and not landed somewhere? I just wonder why they would hijack the plane and then fly it that far off course just to land it in the ocean. Why not land it somewhere to make a big scene of it. Of course maybe they were trying to get somewhere specific but ended up crashing in the Indian Ocean. I'm just asking because planes are definitely something you know.

I am surmising that because of the reported fuel left on board and the direction it is last known to be heading. My guess is they were headed to Afghanistan or Pakistan. I believe that because there is military and civilian radar in the area. The plane diverted and flew on known military flight paths to purposefully evade radar detection. The specific paths are not something that is common knowledge to every pilot. With that, I think they were headed that direction and ran out of fuel. On paper they should have had enough fuel to make it to the tip of Pakistan, however, that is using performance management technology designed to maximize fuel efficiency. Once they descended, took evasive action in their flight path, that fuel burn deteriorates rapidly.

Also, I think to believe that the plane was hijacked, I also have to believe that the responsible party was well funded. It is not something I feel would be kept quiet had they been successful.
 

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It's also being reported that the pilots wife moved out of the house the day before the missing flight.......coincidence? :shrug: I think not? I believe this was all planned from the beginning ......
 

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I have a feeling the US Govt may know more than they are releasing. I wonder if we can look back with our satellite capabilities to actually follow the historical path of the plane. I have a feeling we have the technological capability to do so live but I'm not sure at night if that would be possible.

was eluding to this in earlier...just matter odf not fully disclosing their capabilities to world...
 

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The fact that it pinged at 8am, 7 hours after the last response from the pilots, says it might be on ground somewhere.
 

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Also, I think to believe that the plane was hijacked, I also have to believe that the responsible party was well funded. It is not something I feel would be kept quiet had they been successful.

I agree UNLESS(and this is all just tin foil on the head material) they plan on using the plane for something else and the hijacking was just the first step. Keeping where and who has the plane secret is something they must do to complete the 2nd phase of the plan.
 

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I agree UNLESS(and this is all just tin foil on the head material) they plan on using the plane for something else and the hijacking was just the first step. Keeping where and who has the plane secret is something they must do to complete the 2nd phase of the plan.

I don't think any group alone has the ability, funds, assets, logistics, to make a 777 disappear other than to crash it. I don't believe that 239 passengers and probably nine or so crew members would sit idly silent and allow their hijackers to see it to fruition. You are talking about several hours and have to count on not a single crew member or passenger to realize something was going on. This infers that the pilot had to continue to make announcements, explain why they were in the air an additional 2 or 3 hours, and have balls the size of India to pull it off, all while not alerting a single person.
Unloading that many passengers and controlling them throughout whatever processes they were to be taken through would have been impossible to keep quiet. Even executing them would be a logistical nightmare not to mention the forces you would need to control them all. Landing an aircraft that size takes some real estate and undoubtedly takes two pilots if the landing area is small and difficult.
While I believe it may have been attempted, I don't believe they were successful. I just can't see it happening.
 

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was eluding to this in earlier...just matter odf not fully disclosing their capabilities to world...

Not being a dick......just want to help.....


Allude is what you mean.

Elude means to avoid or evade.

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I don't think any group alone has the ability, funds, assets, logistics, to make a 777 disappear other than to crash it. I don't believe that 239 passengers and probably nine or so crew members would sit idly silent and allow their hijackers to see it to fruition. You are talking about several hours and have to count on not a single crew member or passenger to realize something was going on. This infers that the pilot had to continue to make announcements, explain why they were in the air an additional 2 or 3 hours, and have balls the size of India to pull it off, all while not alerting a single person.
Unloading that many passengers and controlling them throughout whatever processes they were to be taken through would have been impossible to keep quiet. Even executing them would be a logistical nightmare not to mention the forces you would need to control them all. Landing an aircraft that size takes some real estate and undoubtedly takes two pilots if the landing area is small and difficult.
While I believe it may have been attempted, I don't believe they were successful. I just can't see it happening.

Suppose they did land it. Could they possibly use it as a weapon and go undetected till they hit their target?
 

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ACARS is similar to the system I worked on
It is an aircraft locating system
I did install the system in some Fighter Jets that reports it's location to a ground based tracking system

didn`t want to venture a guess until i heard more...but,with two iranians onboard with stolen passports(the media brushed them off as "asylum seekers"..:0corn).....that and the fact that the malaysian gov`t seemed to initially point everyone in the wrong direction........

whole thing stinks to high heaven(and the malaysian gov`t doesn`t exactly seem to be forthcoming...either that or they`re seriously inept).......

what`s your theory,lumi?....good to hear from you,bud...
 

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didn`t want to venture a guess until i heard more...but,with two iranians onboard with stolen passports(the media brushed them off as "asylum seekers"..:0corn).....that and the fact that the malaysian gov`t seemed to initially point everyone in the wrong direction........

whole thing stinks to high heaven(and the malaysian gov`t doesn`t exactly seem to be forthcoming...either that or they`re seriously inept).......

what`s your theory,lumi?....good to hear from you,bud...

Weasie

It's so hard to figure out
How can an object that large vanish?
The answer can be as simple as :

I dunno know where the fucking thing went

It's in the jungle, the ocean, ?

What if the bird never left?
It's parked in a hangar?

It would be easy for any Air Force to send a jet, troop carrier
Or bomber up to duplicate the ACARS transmission

What if the Star Wars System Reagan got beat up about ...
Yes it does exist,
Took it down?

I give it till Friday,
There will be Some resolution to this bizarre occurrence
 

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Weasie

It's so hard to figure out
How can an object that large vanish?
The answer can be as simple as :

I dunno know where the fucking thing went

It's in the jungle, the ocean, ?

What if the bird never left?
It's parked in a hangar?

It would be easy for any Air Force to send a jet, troop carrier
Or bomber up to duplicate the ACARS transmission

What if the Star Wars System Reagan got beat up about ...
Yes it does exist,
Took it down?

I give it till Friday,
There will be Some resolution to this bizarre occurrence

i don`t know........it only took around 7 decades to find amelia earhardt so i`m not holding my breath...
 
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