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New thread for the World Cup.

I will post a few thoughts, etc. to start and then post all my plays in this thread. I will also post the plays I have already made shortly. I will post my thoughts on who I think will win and some group winners, but please feel free to ask any questions about any group. I typically do not make any winner prop bets but I am more than happy to discuss or share my opinion.

I like interaction and hearing other opinions so please feel free to chime in when you want.
 

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Here are some plays that I already have in. I recommended these months ago, as I knew the lines would change. All three have now move to 2.

Uruguay/Egypt Un 2.5 -130
Spain/Portugal Un 2.5 -135
Denmark/Peru Un 2.5 -135
 

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Group Winners

Uruguay-105
Spain -200
France -300
Croatia +225
Brazil -375
Germany -250
Belgium -125
Poland +175

This is who I think will win each group. Only a couple of upsets here. I will likely only be betting a couple as I do not like tying a lot of money up with these bets. Also, you can bet some of the key games with better odds to win the game versus winning the group.

I think Germany is a lock for their group. I know -250 is tough for some to stomach, but I like this bet. They know that finishing second is a likely first round match with Brazil so they will not let this happen. They get Mexico in the first game, they should take them and then win out.

I will probably bet Uruguay -105. This group sucks. Seriously, Russia and Saudi Arabia are the two worst teams in the tournament besides Panama. I watched the Russia/Austria game yesterday and they were terrible. They will likely get some home cooking but they are not good. Egypt will likely be without Salah for at least one, likely 2 games. Based on talent alone, Uruguay is by far the best team in the group and you get a great price.

Poland+175 will probably be the other I bet as I simply do not trust Columbia and we get a good price. This group could be the closest of all of them as Senegal (like all African teams) could be dangerous if they show up and Japan will compete.

Going to think some more on Croatia. I am just not sold that Argentina will be able to simply turn it on after struggling mightily in qualifying and in friendlies. They have tremendous scoring talent but struggle to play together as a team and are struggling to find their best starting lineup. Croatia probably has the best midfield in the world and is very tough to beat.
 

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Quarterfinals

Germany -200 - Lets assume Germany wins the Group. They then play the second place team of Group E which likely will be Switzerland but could be Serbia. I know the line will be well north of -200 against Serbia but I also expect it to be above -200 against the Swiss. Brazil is -270 against Switzerland, so Germany should be at least -250. I love Germany's draw, especially if England finishes second in their group.

Spain -200 - I like this even better than Germany, especially if Spain wins their group. If they win the group, they get second place in Group A, which could be Russia or Egypt if Uruguay wins. That line will be well over -200 against either. Even if Spain does not win the group, they likely get Uruguay and will be -200.

You obviously have to make some assumptions for this to work out, but I like my chances with these two and think I can get below market lines to win. I can make the same argument for Brazil as their line will definitely be over -200 also, but I have some reservations about Brazil. I simply do not trust them on European soil. France is also -200, but they will have a tough round of 16 match likely against Croatia or Argentina, so I do not trust them either. They are loaded but they tend to underachieve.

There are some dogs worth a look, but I only like taking what looks very strong to me. I can make dog plays in the individual games.
 

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Semi-Finals

Germany Even - I know, lots of money on Germany, but you have to love their draw to the semi-finals. The only kink in the road I see is if Belgium finishes second in their group. That will be a tough game for them, but if it is England, I think Germany walks into the semifinals. Even if the draw does not work out like I think it will, I think Germany will make it to the semi-final. Given the possible teams, I really like this at Even money. No way I see Germany at + money before the semi-final, even against Belgium.

Still thinking about Spain +130. If they get Argentina in the quarterfinal there is no value in this line, so I am tempted to just lay off.
 

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Finals

Still working this one out, but right now I have Germany and Spain playing each other in the semi-final, so we can get Germany at +235 and Spain +300. I play them both and win no matter what if they both get there. Not sure about this one. If I had to pick a winner at the beginning of the tournament I would take Spain +600. I love Germany's chances but it is so hard to repeat, so I have a tough time betting them to win.

For now, I am not making any bet here. Going to think about this one some more.

This will get us up to date on where I am right now. I will be making most of these advance bets once we get closer to the start of the tournament in case there is some injuries, news, etc, that could change my mind. I doubt they will move that much.
 

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GL with your World Cup plays, Bason. I've been digging in over the past few weeks and have gathered a small portfolio of plays gradually as I've found value. Somehow, I got Germany -140 to win their group way back in December although the limits were capped pretty low back then. My futures are Argentina, Belgium and Croatia. I'll post the rest of my plays pretty soon. BOL this tournament.
 

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Opening game

I will have more on this later, but I like Saudi Arabia +1.5. I am posting this now since I am starting to see the 1.5 disappear in some places. More to come, but I would grab it at +1.5 if you can as I expect it to be +1 everywhere soon.
 

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I could spend a month analyzing potential prop bets. There is a ton out there and some decent values. I will list some here that I would consider betting. Personally, I prefer not to tie a lot of money up on these bets, but I know others like to play them so I will give my thoughts on some.

Top Goal Scorer
Griezmann+1300
Lukaku+1600
Muller+2250

You need a player that will score on a team that wins. Griezmann certainly fits this bill. Muller, not necessarily, but I have a hunch he benefits from the others around him and gets some easy ones. Not sure how far Belgium will advance but they certainly have the players to go far and Lukaku will score. They are also in a group that should have more goals than most.

Group Forecast (Exact)
Poland/Columbia +400

See some value here as Columbia is the favorite. I may consider Poland/Sengal at +900!

Last Place in Group
Panama -225
Costa Rica -150
South Korea -120
Iceland +120

I may bet all of these. I think Panama is the worst team in the tournament and in a very tough group, so I think they are almost a lock for last in the group. I do not like Costa Rica either. Yes, they have done well in the past, but folks will not take them lightly now, they are not an improved team and in a tough group. Really think South Korea stinks and they are in a brutal group. Iceland is more of a hunch given their recent play.

Group Finish (any order)
France/Peru +250
Germany/Mexico +125

You get better odds with this versus Peru and Mexico to advance.


I could go on and on here, so feel free to ask some questions. I really like the last place bets. Should go no worse than 3-1 there I think.
 

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Very interesting Bason, I like your soccer write ups.

My 2c

I'm shocked you haven't mentioned Brazil yet. They are the best team in the world....the question is can they prove it when it really matters?

I think Germany, France and Belgium are all overrated. Germany have reached at least the quarter finals every time since 1938, which is an amazing stat. Maybe they will do so again, but this is a pretty ordinary side that has been playing poorly for a long time.

I like URU to win their group, big time. I also really like your Poland perspective, they are real dark horses. Colombia missed their chance 4 years ago, this is a team that struggles these days. They were very unlucky to get knocked out last time by Brazil in the quarters, very unlucky indeed. There have really gone backwards since.

No mention of England either??? (LOL, homer alert). This team could be anything really. its hard to be really optimistic but I think you are wrong about Germany winning easily if they have to play the Three Lions in the knockout stages - that would be a very close game.

Argentina aren't winning anything. Somehow Messi and Aguero fail to actually score a lot, and this team is not a classic Argentina team after those two. Still, if you have Messi you always have a chance (See: Portugal and Ronaldo).

Brazil are a complete team. I'm holding off backing them to win it all right now at 4/1 since I think they will be close to that after the group games.

The most dangerous team to Brazil will, eventually, be Spain. This could be another great Spanish team. Maybe a Brazil/Spain final?

My own bets at this stage:

URU to win their group 8/11
Brazil to win their group 2/7

Double pays 1.21/1

Mbappe to be France's leading scorer at 5/1 ( I absolutely love this prop)

Totally agree with you on Russia. They will need a lot of help to get out of the group stage.....but they may well get it!!!

Good luck. I'm getting excited for kick off.
 

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Thanks Englishman, good stuff.

I agree that Brazil is the most talented team in the world. Their roster is completely loaded. I just have a hard time backing them on European soil. Maybe it is a hunch more than anything, but I just have a feeling they will falter. They are a lock to win their group though.

I simply do not trust them and France which is why I did not include much on either side. That side of the bracket could be very interesting. France is going to have a brutal round of 16 match (Croatia/Argentina) either way.

Sorry, but I am not a fan of England. Always tons of hype and they never come through when it counts. Sure, they have the talent, but not sure this will be the year they get over the hump. The one thing they do have going for them is that they finally ditched Hart who was one of their biggest liabilities for years. My disdain for him has been well documented over the years.

I fully agree on Uruguay. Their group sucks and they are a talented team.

Germany certainly has not looked good lately, but it is not enough for me to get off of them. They always step up when it counts and I am still expecting them to do that. We should learn a lot from the Mexico game, but I am expecting them to handle them.
 

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Wow this is a great read......

good luck fellas........................:0074
 

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I'll toss in my 2 cents on some sure to be horribly wrong props I'm playing - all long shots. I think if you like someone like Brazil or Germany - and I really like Brazil - a lot, I don't think any of the props on the team or star players have much value. I'd just pound them to advance and roll the bet+the winnings into each knock out round. You usually get better odds in the end that way than buying a future on a favorite to win it all and you can jump off the bandwagon at any time.


So, my long shots -

Top Goal Scorers:
Cavani +2251
Lewendowski +2700
James +7250
Werner +1502

I think all the scoring options on Brazil, France and Arg will spread out the scoring. Spain's a wild card. Not sure what they will do. But, I know these guys above will be leaned on heavily to score. I really care nothing about their club form. Its all about the Nat team and how they perform in recent meaningful qualifying and tourney's.

First 2 - top goal scorers in their respective WC Qual's (Cavani 15 games, 10 goals) and (Lew 10 games, 16 goals!) on teams with great chances to create trouble and play 6 or 7 games if they get hot. Cavani's choked on the big stage in the past, but he seems to have taken over from Suarez as the main scoring threat. James is a massive long shot, but he just seems to score goals playing for Columbia. 6 goals in 13 games of SA Qual putting him in a tie for 3rd, 1 goal behind 2nd place. Falcao's over the hill, injury prone and only scored 3 in SAQ meaning they will need him more. Columbia's got a group they should get out of, looks really similar to the group they were in 4 years ago and 72-1? Worth a shot. And, Werner is a friggin machine. Scores a goal a game for Germany and hard to see them not getting to the semis to give him 7 games.

Golden Boot:
James +5330
Kroos +3750
Mbappe +3730

The reason above for James and the other 2 should be in the running if they get to the final. Basically lottery picks but I just think the odds are too high on these guys so worth a few bucks. Might toss a few bucks on Modric since I think Croatia could go far, plus since this is a vote, he's more of a "name" than most of his teammates which matters along with the fact that Croatia's going to play him further up the pitch than RM does with Rakitic behind him so he'll have a chance to be more directly involved in the scoring. OK, talked myself into it:

Modric +6925

Plus one game bet:
Over 1.75 Iran vs Morocco. They both prob figure this game is a must win to get out of the group. I don't think either will be too thrilled with 1 point and Port/Spain on deck. Not sure if this is a trend, but 4 years ago, looks like 13 of the first 15 games went over 2.5 goals by my count. Of course Iran played the only 0-0 in those games! Scoring's up alot across most major leagues around the world in recent years, so maybe some value on early overs? Still looking into that.
 

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Saying England have failed to produce is a kind understatement, for which I thank you.

I just think they will be better than they were in Brazil or South Africa....which isn't really saying much I suppose. In Harry Kane they have a genuinely world class player. Cahill at the back is the right decision. Rashford up front with Kane and Sterling sitting in behind or out wide (or actually, play Kane out wider on the left, he has played that position very well in the past, believe it or not)? I'm just not convinced about the rest, Butland, Dele Ali, Dier, John Stones, Danny Rose, Kyle Walker, is Ashley Young really a top international player?........can this group step up? Would Jordan Henderson play? I really like him. What about Harry Maguire?? Every successful team in history (except maybe Brazil in 1970) has had a workhorse like Maguire or Henderson in the team.

Like all long-suffering England fans, I'm hugely torn between irrational optimism and foreboding of despair. There is one weird thing about England teams in the past 50 years though, they tend to play quite well against the better teams (think Brazil in 2002 and 1970, West Germany in 1990 and Argentina in 1986 and 1998). Yes, yes, I'm aware we lost every one of those....but oh, what glorious defeats!!

Anyway, back to the serious end of affairs. I shouldn't be quite so dismissive of France. I think we will see the real Paul Pogba finally, but who is that exactly? The guy who plays the first 10 games of every season as if he is a cross between Franz Beckanbauer and Johann Cruyff? Or the guy who plays the rest of the season like he just can't really be bothered and its all too much trouble? I know Grizemann is the real deal, but I like Mbappe even more in the WC as teams will work hard to shut down Grizemann giving more space and opportunities to Mbappe, who is truly a world class goal scorer.

Not a huge Lewndowski fan - seems like a whiny baby to me when things go wrong - which they do for every team at some stage. But I think the Poles could cause some real upsets. I'm just not so sure Colombia come out of this group, its not easy. Senegal are not the worst team.

Croatia are going to struggle. Modric and Rakitic might be going to prison after the WC for perjury in a fraud trial. Lovren and others are also involved. Apparently there is huge dissension in the camp, didn't stop them qualifying well though. I have read that there are factions in the camp caused by the issues of the initial fraud trial and the aftermath, with much bad feeling over Modric's testimony especially. Be very interesting to see how they do in what is not an easy group. Iceland and Nigeria are not easy games, and they probably won't get anything from the Argentina game.

I'm wondering if Brazil are on a mission after last time. How interesting will it be if they have to play Germany in the final or semi? Italy and Holland will be missed. Its a shame. The field is expanding to 48 teams in 2022, but Europe are only getting 2 of the extra teams. FIFA is, of course, laughingly corrupt in every way.

The Germany Mexico game will be very interesting. I honestly think Germany might struggle. They will probably come out of their group but I like this Mexico team. However, Germany have a truly great GK as long as Neuer is fully fit, which is very questionable.

Why my love for Spain? Firstly, they have one of the best goalkeepers I have ever seen and certainly the best in the world right now. Just like my comments re Messi and Ronaldo, if you have a great GK, he will keep you in a lot of games and anything is possible (think Schmeichel in the CL Final in 1998). Look at the outfield...Ramos, Pique, Alba, David Silva, Busquets, Costa, Rodrigo. Jesus Christ....any other year I think they should be heavy favorites.

But, I think that at the end of the tournament we might be talking about another Brazilian "super" team. They even have a superb GK this time around, Allison. They have been very impressive defensively in the past 2 years, but really, look at this midfield they have to choose from...Casemiro, Fernandinho, Paulihno, Coutinho, Willan, Fred. Really? Is that even fair? Each one of those players would walk into any other national team (with the possible exception of Spain) and each one of them scores lots of goals arriving from deep. Brazil can only pick 4 of them at the most to start. Perhaps they will let the two that are left out play for England??

Oh, sorry, I nearly forgot their front players, Neymar, Firmino, Gabriel Jesus!!! LOL, even if Neymar is not fully fit, this is not 2014 and they do not rely on him as they did then. Having said that, if he is fully fit and playing at the top of his game, this team will make for amazing viewing.

There you have it. No weaknesses. Its a long tournament....the best teams will play 6 or 7 games, you need a deep squad. And you need experience and quality. Yes, there will be surprises, and yes a couple of the big boys will fall by the wayside in shocks, but when the dust clears it would not be surprising to me if Brazil are playing either Spain or France for the whole thing. Just remember this, the best team almost always wins and the best two almost always make the final game. Go back in the history books and check it out In fact, this is so true that we all remember the one glaring time that did not happen, of course the awesome great Brazilian team of 1982. And still, the second and third best teams went on to contest the final that year with the second best team, Italy ( who astonishingly beat Brazil) winning the cup.

It's going to be an exciting WC, and I'm going to especially be interested to see how England fuck everything up. We can be very creative in this regard. Will we go out on awful misses in a penalty shootout? or getting a man sent off early in a must-win game? or a horrendous defensive mistake? or a truly shocking loss to Tunisia in the group stages? All of these things are very possible.

Just writing this has got me excited. Can't wait for Thursday. I think I'm going to be pulling a lot of "work from home" days in the month ahead!!
 

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I love English optimism as it always has a touch of cynicism to it!! Been hearing it every World Cup since I have been following. I met a lot of great English fans at the WC in Germany and I still keep in touch with many of them. They all to the man think they have a great shot this time around but continue to dwell on the past. My German friends are all hoping they play them in the quarterfinals as do I. Will be great theater for the game and for me!!

I think Brazil has one of the best starting lineups in WC history but I just do not trust they can put it together for 7 straight games. I could easily be wrong here and they could roll into the final, but I am not willing to bet on it. Been seeing a lot of predictions for an all South American final and I think that is totally nuts. I am not a fan of Argentina right now. You can not ignore how they played in qualification.

If I had to bet one team to win I would bet Spain. They will have a tough road starting in the quarters but they are extremely talented and have the right blend of experience and youth. I would like to see Belgium finally get it all together but not sure they can be counted on either. Croatia is a total crap shoot, but they are a scary team that no one wants to play. Would love to see France/Croatia in the round of 16! Also Brazil/Mexico and Uruguay/Portugal.

As a fan, I just want to see great soccer and hope FIFA does not screw it up. I have great concerns about the use of VR especially with the officials that should not be there. Don't want to dwell on it as I could rant about it for days, so I will give them the benefit of the doubt for now and hope it goes well.

I am looking forward to a lot of unproductive days screaming at the TV!!

Love this discussion and hope we can keep it going throughout the tournament.
 

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Good stuff Flapjack and thanks for chiming in!

Iran has to be one of the lowest scoring teams in the history of the WC. You rarely see a game where they score more than 1 goal and they get shout out a lot. I agree on the theory, just tough to bet overs with them based on their style of play.
 

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Spain sack manager Julen Lopetegui two days before first match

Spain sacked head coach Julen Lopetegui after he was named the new Real Madrid boss - two days before their opening World Cup match against Portugal. Real Madrid announced on Tuesday that Lopetegui would succeed Zinedine Zidane at the Bernabeu on a three-year-deal.

The Spanish football federation (RFEF) said it had dismissed the 51-year-old because the negotiation occurred "without any information to the RFEF".

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44467548


that's interesting, Spain - Portugal is played this friday
 

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I know, this is completely ridiculous and just goes to show how nuts these Federations are. The egos are insane.

I guess we will find out how much coaching really matters at this level. The good news for Spain is that there is not a lot of controversy over who their starting lineup is and they have some very experienced players that will take control of this team. Personally, I do not think this will affect their play at all, but it does affect strategy especially with substitutions. Will likely me like the draw even more against Portugal as I already have an Under 2.5 bet.
 

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OPENING MATCH

This could very well be one of the worst opening matches in World Cup History. Russia had no chance to qualify for this tournament and are only in as the host. Saudi Arabia are arguably the worst team in the tournament (my vote goes to Panama). I have watched Russia play a number of times over the last couple months and they are not a very good team. Yes, they are at home and yes, they will likely have some calls go there way, but I simply do not like this side. The Saudi's are experienced. Half of their team all play together for the same club so they are used to playing together and play well as a group. They will try to frustrate the hosts and play a tight game. I already bet Saudia Arabia +1.5. I still like them at +1 just not as much. I also am surprised this total is still at 2.5. I do not see 3 goals in this game so I like the Under (only at 2.5).

I really do not like this game that much. I simply think Russia is getting too much credit here since they are the home team. Small plays to start.
 
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