This is what I said.....I never said ALL people that smoke pot are stupid or do I believe that...... yes some people can function on the stuff....... I'll take one line out : dope is for dopes ..... that can be interpreted as everyone that smokes is a dope....... (if) your dumb when you start smoking, it's a cruel drug.... the key word is (IF)........ I think we can all agree on this....... You smart dope guys don't have to worry........ yes I drink..... No, I am not a part of the anti pot movement...... live and let live ..... pot smokers are real defensive about this........ I do believe like alcohol, we should keep it away from young minds..... take every line one by one in my original post........ it's all true........... yes alcohol and all drugs enhance stupid......... Am I typing slow enough for everyone that may be smoking now ???? why do pot smoker care what I think ? I do believe that pot makes you defensive, I think this thread proves it...... My post was kind of tongue in cheek............thanks for the chuckles ...... I also believe that people that use any drug/alcohol/tobacco/ are taking away the one thing most of us want in our last days of life : one more day..... Party on Dudes !!!!!!! why is it, everyone that calls me a dude is a pot smoker ????
Wow, Vick really is an idiot
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This is what I said.....I never said ALL people that smoke pot are stupid or do I believe that...... yes some people can function on the stuff....... I'll take one line out : dope is for dopes ..... that can be interpreted as everyone that smokes is a dope....... (if) your dumb when you start smoking, it's a cruel drug.... the key word is (IF)........ I think we can all agree on this....... You smart dope guys don't have to worry........ yes I drink..... No, I am not a part of the anti pot movement...... live and let live ..... pot smokers are real defensive about this........ I do believe like alcohol, we should keep it away from young minds..... take every line one by one in my original post........ it's all true........... yes alcohol and all drugs enhance stupid......... Am I typing slow enough for everyone that may be smoking now ???? why do pot smoker care what I think ? I do believe that pot makes you defensive, I think this thread proves it...... My post was kind of tongue in cheek............thanks for the chuckles ...... I also believe that people that use any drug/alcohol/tobacco/ are taking away the one thing most of us want in our last days of life : one more day..... Party on Dudes !!!!!!! why is it, everyone that calls me a dude is a pot smoker ????
used in moderation it is no different than alcohol.
And I only smoke on the very rare occasion. like 2 or 3 times a year
And I only smoke on the very rare occasion. like 2 or 3 times a year
Would those "personal experiences" that you mention include regular use by you, SixFive? Somehow I doubt that. Pot use affecting people negatively? Duh. You work in the medical field. Do you give a free pass to those who smoke tobacco or eat too much? How about those that drink and drive and then kill innocent people?
The point is EVERYTHING has the possibility to be abused to the point of being distructive. Just as there are moderate users of alcohol that are productive members of society, so too are there moderate users of marijuana that are productive members of society.
My past includes heavy use of both pot and alcohol. Did it effect me negatively? Of course. Anyone who has ever drank enough alcohol to have a hangover knows this. Do I use pot today, No. I made the choice to stop using pot a long time ago, but I have many friends--doctors, lawyers, college profs, construction workers etc etc that still smoke pot today. That is their choice and its a choice they should be able to make legally, but that is a debate for another time.
ahh, reddsfan. You were the specific one I remembered who was so ardently against me thinking pot is bad. nope, I've never used pot.
Of course I don't give free passes to those who drink and eat too much. I've said on here before that I think morbid obesity is way more unhealthy than cigarette smoking. I also don't approve of heavy drinking (I don't drink at all), and I really think underage drinking is a huge problem.
Drinking and driving, I agree is horrible, and far is worse than pot smoking.
For all those you know who smoke pot and lead successful lives and careers, how many do you think that are out there who don't? I don't know any stats, but I do know that every person I know who has a history of illegal drug abuse started out with underage drinking then marijuana. Do you think Mike Vick's pot smoking helped him to make good choices or poor choices, or do you think it didn't make any difference?
Don't recall ever saying anything to you about you being anti-pot----must be a lot of long-term memory loss with pot use, too.....
EVERY person that you know has a history of illegal drug use started out with underage drinking? And you know this HOW?
Thought you were smarter than that statement makes you sound, SixFive.
Why do you think that Vick's pot use has any bearing on him making good/poor choices? Maybe the lack of much parental involvement when he was a child is the reason he makes poor choices?
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Marijuana doesn't affect people like you think. No offense, but if you have never smoked it, then everything you say is from second hand experience. I love the argument that marijuana is a gateway drug...lololololol!! I know plenty of people who smoke every day and never ever touch anything else. I used to smoke medicinally when I was really sick and I could not function or get out of bed or go to work without it. In fact, I think I used to be a lot more productive at work when I did smoke it! The only negative affect I ever experienced was some apathy and general laziness. Vick's ridiculous behavior and poor decision making has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with smoking.
Don't recall ever saying anything to you about you being anti-pot----must be a lot of long-term memory loss with pot use, too.....
EVERY person that you know has a history of illegal drug use started out with underage drinking? And you know this HOW?
Thought you were smarter than that statement makes you sound, SixFive.
Why do you think that Vick's pot use has any bearing on him making good/poor choices? Maybe the lack of much parental involvement when he was a child is the reason he makes poor choices?
yep, I've asked them. Believe it or not. Do you realize how many people there are in the medical fields that are/were users? Easy to get a big sampling without even trying especially when it interests me.
Vick's choices now as an adult can't be blamed on his parents. He's a big boy now.
I'm not saying Vick fought dogs because he smoked pot. Maybe if he hadn't smoked pot and been so high and happy, he would have kept his party a little tighter knit and still fighting them today. :shrug:
you know plenty who can smoke it, I know plenty who can't. Absolute nothing??? How do you know?? Do we agree on anything?
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So since Vick was born to teenage parents and he never knew his father, where and when exactly did he learn right from wrong?
Are you also saying that his upbringing had nothing to do with the person he is today? That would be like me saying that your parents had no influence on the person YOU are today, right?
maybe from his mom? How about some coach he had over the years? Frank Beamer? influence yes, but at what point does an adult become responsible for his own actions? :shrug:
Totally agree that Vick should be responsible for his own actions, as any adult should be. I just don't think you can totally dismiss a persons background when judging said person's behavior. Doesn't mean that Vick shouldn't be punished for the crimes he has been convicted of, and it sure doesn't mean that everyone who had Vick's type of upbringing will turn out to be involved in criminal activity.
This is total bull shit ! This is the kind of thought process I find most regular pot smokers have. I used to have a guy work for me that thought pot smoking didn't effect his productivity. He used to stand in front of me with those red glazed eyes, slurring his point. I totally agree, it does make a person apathetic and lazy... I think we as a country use to many drugs at work, that get in the way of work......... I'm talking about tobacco, alcohol, legal and illegal drugs. We all think we are better when our mind is altered, that's the drug working ! Vicks mind has been altered for many of his yrs, his behavior has everything do with drugs. It's either drugs or he's stupid. That brings us back to my point. If you are dumb when you start smoking pot, you are not going to get any smarter, pot enhances stupidity !! Even the people that are productive & I include myself could be more productive with out drugs/alcohol in our lives.
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DAVID NAYLOR
September 26, 2007
Before his legal troubles this past summer, former Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick had the richest contract in NFL history.
Yet despite the 10-year, $130-million (U.S.) deal he signed in 2004, Vick still needed a $2.5-million loan from the Royal Bank of Canada.
Now, with Vick's professional life in tatters after pleading guilty to a conspiracy charge related to dogfighting, RBC would like its money back. And it's willing to go to court to get it, suing the former superstar for the $2.3-million it claims it is owed since Vick missed a deadline on Sept. 10.
The Toronto-based bank, which also does business in the U.S. South under its RBC Centura banner, is arguing that Vick's guilty plea on the federal charge and the resulting impact on his career have prevented him from repaying money he borrowed.
Vick borrowed the money in January, with plans to use it for real-estate investments, the bank said in a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Newport News, Va.
In its lawsuit, Royal Bank said the loan's terms specify that any employment change reducing Vick's income constitutes a default on the loan.
"The defendant has been suspended by the National Football League from his employment as a quarterback for the Atlanta Falcons, or his employment is otherwise in jeopardy as a result of a plea bargain agreed to by the defendant in connection with criminal charges stemming from his involvement with a dogfighting ring," the legal filing said.
"The criminal charges and resulting impact on the defendant's employment constitute a material adverse change in the employment, performance, condition or prospects of the defendant which materially affect the his ability to repay the term note, and therefore constitute an event of default."
A Royal Bank spokeswoman in Toronto declined to comment on the case, citing client confidentiality. Lawyers for Vick and the Royal Bank could not be reached for comment.
Vick has admitted to helping kill six to eight dogs and faces up to five years in prison when he is sentenced in December. He has been indefinitely suspended without pay and has lost all his major sponsors, including Nike.
The case began in late April when authorities conducting a drug investigation of Vick's cousin raided the former Virginia Tech star's property and seized dozens of dogs, most of them pit bulls, and equipment commonly associated with dogfighting.
Six weeks later, with the local investigation perceived to be dragging and a search warrant allowed to expire, federal agents arrived with their own search warrants and started digging up dog carcasses buried days before the first raid.
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Wait...........let me get this straight?????? You mean you could make even MORE presumptuous and condescending posts then now. Well by God man lay down the crack pipe and start goose stepping over to the politics forum. Thats where you want to be when you start saying things like "I think we as a country" . They will appreciate it so much more over there, hell you may even be able to conclude that the guy that shot the missile into the Pentagon was high or something.:shrug: Just sayin.............
Hope this helps,
FDC
