Your pet or a stranger?

Nick Douglas

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This will not be a very accurate survey because most gamblers are far more rational and (perhaps coincidentally) male than an average segment of the American public, but I would like to see your responses anyway.

If your animal pet and a human stranger were both drowning and you could only save one, which one would you save? Would it be:

Pet?

Stranger?

Too hard to decide?

I know my answer and I will reply again to this if/when a bunch of people respond, but I am interested what you guys think compared to how the average person responded. Thanks.
 

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Stranger - definitely. Even though it'd break my heart to see my pet drowning. But I know he/she (I don't like to use "it" for an animal) would understand - it's all about basic instincts. You have to stick together as a specie.
 

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I can't think of a funny answer so i'll give you my straight one

The stranger for sure.

Any human life is worth more than an animal's life.

This is no excuse for cruelty to animals -- I can't believe people cage birds. Denying it flight simply so they can stare at a bird any time they want.
 

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this is a tough question nick if the stranger was female i would save her maybe i could get a qiuck sqeeze if you know what i mean.i love dogs so i would choose a dog over a total stranger.wait a minute this is my answer i would talk to the person and ask how much money do you have im not saving some poor bastard that wont tip me afterwards.beantownjim doesnt do anything for nothing.nick you had your little fun with this topic now go back to what we pay you for picking winners.
 

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Fred I like birds and have 7 of them and always thought along your same lines however my birds are in a glassed in porch with many plants and a few small trees.All are free to fly limitedly but prefer to remain in(actually on top)their cages which are always open.Only way I can actually entice them out is to stand away from them with treats and they will fly over to get them.Granted it is not the same as the wild blue skys but not sure which they would choose if having a choice considering they eat like kings and don't have the elements,parasites or disease to contend with.I will agree that a bird in flight is such a symbol of freedom and to cage them seems terrible but actually I don't think "they" think it is such a bad idea.

Nick In answer to your question.Its kinda like the question we had among the office girls after Redford/Moore movie,would you for $1,000,000.Unanimously they said no but given the "actual" opportunity I would say many of those answers would change.I would like to think it would be the stranger but having a special place in my heart for animals could not confirm that till actually confronted.I can confirm however that there are several people that are NOT strangers that had better learn to swim quickly if confronted with same scenerio.
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Since animals can swim, and not all people can, you would need to save the floundering soul.

I wanna know why the two of them were in the water in the first place?
 

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Your birds seem to live in relative luxury. I wish all kept birds were treated as well as this.

In Australia some people keep cockatoos which are large birds (almost size of an eagle) in isolation. In cages which prevent them from flying but allow them to only stretch their wings. No flying and no company. To me this seems such a damn shame and plain wrong.
 

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My pets really are a part of my family, but being dogs they can swim. That aside, Assuming they could not swim I would save the pet. And as Mickstr68 said, sad but true.
 

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I wanted to wait longer for responses before giving my answer and my reason for asking, but I am just an impatient person.

I would save the human, no questions asked. In fact, I would go so far as to say saving the human is the only "right" answer.

There is no question that any normal person would grieve more for the loss of a pet than the death of an unknown person. I know from experience that the death of my dogs in 1993 and again in 1997 were very hard on me, but I shed nary a tear for the faceless deaths that occur daily in my beloved Los Angeles.

But the question here is not whether you would grieve more for your pet or a stranger, rather which is more valuable if you hold the power to make that decision. To tell you the truth, I find it deplorable that people would knowingly abandon a human life for that of an animal, but I do understand it.

The reason I asked the question is that for my new job, I am working with Michael Levine, a major PR player in LA, who wrote an editorial not long ago about the sad obsession with pets in our society. In reading it, I realized that at the heart of the matter is whether you believe human beings have a soul.

If you believe human beings have a soul that must act in the image of some higher being to attain happiness, then there is no question that you would value human life over animals. If you do not believe humans have a soul, there is then no logical reason to value a human life over any animal's, and thus your life would be a constant cycle of mourning for every fruitfly with a 24 hour lifespan.

When the survey was given to the general public in 1960, the answer was almost 100% in favor of the stranger. Today, it is split into thirds among pet, stranger and "too hard". Maybe it is a loss in faith and maybe it is just the need for shallow, unconditional love among a society of lonely people, but clearly the value of numan life in relation to animal life has changed.

As I figured, sentinment on this board seems to be more on the side of human life than animal life. Though many gamblers have problems, a lack of practicality and logic on issues outside gambling is generally not one of them. Most gamblers view themselves as smart, aware people. It is in that vein that answers in favor of the human focused on giving a reason (species, etc) for abandoning a pet that is loved for a person that is unknown.

I am not telling anyone to change the way they live their life, I am merely writing my observation on what I feel is a disturbing trend in society. Surely some, maybe alot of you will be ticked at my attitude on this but I believe it is a fascinating discussion and life is more fun when you forgo the normal chit chat for something a bit deeper. Thanks.
 

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at first i thought this to be a tough question, but after some serious thought, it's a no brainer! i would save my 6 pound pomeranian, no question in my mind. why? well, it was easy after some thought, because I CAN'T SWIM and the stranger would TAKE 'ME' DOWN! i shouldn't have any trouble with my little girl
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"When the survey was given to the general public in 1960, the answer was almost 100% in favor of the stranger. Today, it is split into thirds among pet, stranger and "too hard".

Is the general perception and thought pattern of the US in 1960 a pro or con for your arguement?

"Maybe it is a loss in faith and maybe it is just the need for shallow, unconditional love among a society of lonely people, but clearly the value of numan life in relation to animal life has changed."

Loss in faith..hmm, I think many of those who have kept the "faith" throughout history are responsible for more wars, loss of life, and hatred then any other group.

Why should I feel a stronger urge to save a complete stranger who I've never interacted with , felt an emotion towards, etc., over my dog, who I have spent everyday of my life with the past 4 years, have tons of happy memories, and a geniune bond exist between the two of us?

I'll leave my thoughts at that, as this will escalate into something more...when people start criticizing and demeaning others personal beliefs (not in terms of picking a game or something trivial like that), nothing good comes of it.

To each their own.

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in most cases the stranger, but in 1997 I had to put down my black lab named Prince. The dog was my friend for more than 15 years, if it came down to a stranger and my dog I would have had to take the dog.

he was a great dog,....
I believe human being life has more value, however I never believed in a soul or anything else along those lines.

thanks
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selkirk, I totally agree.

I had to put my yellow lab Jake down last year in October...
It tore my heart out. I had him since he was a baby and since I was 12....
It was like killing a family member, but i knew it was the right thing to do because he was old and and his condition was deteriorating....

After that, do I wanna get a dog again and go through that...?

hell, no.

If i ever have kids, and THEY want a dog, what the hell?? That instance was traumatic for me at 26...!!!

I dunno...some day, i may get another dog...


but to answer the question: i would save the stranger, because Jake was a damned good swimmer.

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