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TRampled usually does have his head up his azz but

TRampled usually does have his head up his azz but

He is correct we are occupying thier country (Afghanistan) No 1 has defeated Afghanistan.....we as Americans are policing this country w/our military just as in Iraq. We are at war people! ! ! ! ! But both of these Administrations now and in the past want to create peace and lets just negotiate...LMAO (THEY WANT TO CUT UR HEAD OFF). Only one way to beat the middleeast Taliban....NUKE their AZZ....Pull the troops now and bring them home OR bring them home and Nuke the damn country. Otherwise it's a lost cause. We need more PATTON and less Pattonleather. U bring the troops home and do nothing???? They are here people and will destroy America in so many more ways that we will be arguing yrs from now that we will say...we should have fucked them up 10 yrs ago.....Mark my words.
 

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Bush rode the coattails of what Clinton started. It took time for his tax cuts and wars to cripple the economy. You do realize that employment numbers are a trailing indicator don't you?

Yep and those times (5% unemployment 52 months of record growth) as you and your girl Pelosi said--was worst economy since great depression--Glad to see you all back in power and economy firing on all cylinders :SIB

Hate to be the one to tell you--Clinton left GW a recession via dot com bust >. Remember worldcom-enron and others going bankrupt???--followed closely by 911 devestating economy.

What GW didn't do--whine like some little bitch blaming others--didn't bail out worldcom or enron- He took his best shot at doing what people elected him for-I got the links to the results above-

--You got that liberal logic thing going there stevie.
"W"s success's you credit to Clinton and "H"s fckups you credit to W.

join the crowd --and carry on


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Yep and those times (5% unemployment 52 months of record growth) as you and your girl Pelosi said--was worst economy since great depression--Glad to see you all back in power and economy firing on all cylinders :SIB

Hate to be the one to tell you--Clinton left GW a recession via dot com bust >. Remember worldcom-enron and others going bankrupt???--followed closely by 911 devestating economy.

What GW didn't do--whine like some little bitch blaming others--didn't bail out worldcom or enron- He took his best shot at doing what people elected him for-I got the links to the results above-

I am just pointing out how omce again your own numbers hang you. Employment is a trailing indicator. It will take years to correct the damage Pelosi let Bush do.


--You got that liberal logic thing going there stevie.
"W"s success's you credit to Clinton and "H"s fckups you credit to W.

join the crowd --and carry on


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How is Iraqs liberation a occupation?

How is Iraqs liberation a occupation?

We are occupying their territory which is even worse than what the Russians did. Catch up.

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Early Life:
Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid al-Tikriti was born on April 28th, 1937 in al-Awja, a suburb of the Sunni city of Tikrit. After a difficult childhood, during which he was abused by his stepfather and shuffled from home to home, he joined Iraq's Baath Party at the age of 20. In 1968, he assisted his cousin, General Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, in the Baathist takeover of Iraq. By the mid-1970s, he had become Iraq's unofficial leader, a role that he officially took on following al-Bakr's (highly suspicious) death in 1979.
Political Oppression:
Hussein openly idolized the former Soviet premier Joseph Stalin, a man notable as much for his paranoia-induced execution sprees as anything else. In July 1978, he had his government issue a memorandum decreeing that anyone whose ideas came into conflict with those of the Baath Party leadership would be subject to summary execution. Most, but certainly not all, of Hussein's targets were ethnic Kurds and Shiite Muslims.
Ethnic Cleansing:
The two dominant ethnicities of Iraq have traditionally been Arabs in south and central Iraq, and Kurds in the north and northeast, particularly along the Iranian border. Hussein long viewed ethnic Kurds as a long-term threat to Iraq's survival, and the oppression and extermination of the Kurds was one of his administration's highest priorities.
Religious Persecution:
The Baath Party was dominated by Sunni Muslims, who made up only about one-third of Iraq's general population; the other two-thirds was made up of Shiite Muslims, Shiism also happening to be the official religion of Iran. Throughout Hussein's tenure, and especially during the Iran-Iraq War (1980-1988), he saw the marginalization and eventual elimination of Shiism as a necessary goal in the Arabization process, by which Iraq would purge itself of all perceived Iranian influence.
The Dujail Massacre of 1982:
In July of 1982, several Shiite militants attempted to assassinate Saddam Hussein while he was riding through the city. Hussein responded by ordering the slaughter of some 148 residents, including dozens of children. This is the only war crime on which Hussein has been charged, and he will almost certainly be executed before any other charges go to trial.
The Barzani Clan Abductions of 1983:
Masoud Barzani led the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP), an ethnic Kurdish revolutionary group fighting Baathist oppression. After Barzani cast his lot with the Iranians in the Iran-Iraq War, Hussein had some 8,000 members of Barzani's clan, including hundreds of women and children, abducted. It is assumed that most were slaughtered; thousands have been discovered in mass graves in southern Iraq.
The al-Anfal Campaign:
The worst human rights abuses of Hussein's tenure took place during the genocidal al-Anfal Campaign (1986-1989), in which Hussein's administration called for the extermination of every living thing--human or animal--in certain regions of the Kurdish north. All told, some 182,000 people--men, women, and children--were slaughtered, many through use of chemical weapons. The Halabja poison gas massacre of 1988 alone killed over 5,000 people. Hussein later blamed the attacks on the Iranians, and the Reagan administration, which supported Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War, helped promote this cover story.
The Campaign Against the Marsh Arabs:
Hussein did not limit his genocide to identifiably Kurdish groups; he also targeted the predominantly Shiite Marsh Arabs of southeastern Iraq, the direct descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians. By destroying more than 95% of the region's marshes, he effectively depleted its food supply and destroyed the entire millennia-old culture, reducing the number of Marsh Arabs from 250,000 to approximately 30,000. It is unknown how much of this population drop can be attributed to direct starvation and how much to migration, but the human cost was unquestionably high.
The Post-Uprising Massacres of 1991:
In the aftermath of Operation Desert Storm, the United States encouraged Kurds and Shiites to rebel against Hussein's regime--then withdrew and refused to support them, leaving an unknown number to be slaughtered. At one point, Hussein's regime killed as many as 2,000 suspected Kurdish rebels every day. Some two million Kurds hazarded the dangerous trek through the mountains to Iran and Turkey, hundreds of thousands dying in the process.
The Riddle of Saddam Hussein:
Although most of Hussein's large-scale atrocities took place during the 1980s and early 1990s, his tenure was also characterized by day-to-day atrocities that attracted less notice. Wartime rhetoric regarding Hussein's "rape rooms," death by torture, decisions to slaughter the children of political enemies, and the casual machine-gunning of peaceful protesters accurately reflected the day-to-day policies of Saddam Hussein's regime. Hussein was no misunderstood despotic "madman." He was a monster, a butcher, a brutal tyrant, a genocidal racist--he was all of this, and more.

But what this rhetoric does not reflect is that, until 1991, Saddam Hussein was allowed to commit his atrocities with the full support of the U.S. government. The specifics of the al-Anfal Campaign were no mystery to the Reagan administration, but the decision was made to support the genocidal Iraqi government over the pro-Soviet theocracy of Iran, even to the point of making ourselves complicit in crimes against humanity.

A friend once told me this story: An Orthodox Jewish man was being hassled by his rabbi for violating kosher law, but had never been caught in the act. One day, he was sitting inside a deli. His rabbi had pulled up outside, and through the window he observed the man eating a ham sandwich. The next time they saw each other, the rabbi pointed this out. The man asked: "You watched me the whole time?" The rabbi answered: "Yes." The man responded: "Well, then, I was observing kosher, because I acted under rabbinical supervision."

Saddam Hussein was unquestionably one of the most brutal dictators of the 20th century. History cannot even begin to record the full scale of his atrocities and the effect they had on those affected and the families of those affected. But his most horrific acts, including the al-Anfal genocide, were committed in full view of our government--the government that we present to the world as a shining beacon of human rights.

Make no mistake: The ouster of Saddam Hussein was a victory for human rights, and if there is any silver lining to come from the brutal Iraq War, it is that Hussein is no longer slaughtering and torturing his own people. But we should fully recognize that every indictment, every epithet, every moral condemnation we issue against Saddam Hussein also indicts us. We should all be ashamed of the atrocities that were committed under our leaders' noses, and with our leaders' blessing.
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For the record I posted this for not only the support of the liberation of Iraq,but to speak out that sometimes we don't do enough as a so-called world police.

As a country we have made mistake that's obvious.We are not perfect.Vietnam and Beirut come to mind.I do agree we can't please everyone.At the same time some things are worth the sacrifices and Iraq in my mind WAS.
 
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IRAQ'S SADDAM HUSSEIN, GEORGE BUSH, AND THE OIL KICK-BACKS

IRAQ'S SADDAM HUSSEIN, GEORGE BUSH, AND THE OIL KICK-BACKS

IRAQ'S SADDAM HUSSEIN, GEORGE BUSH, AND THE OIL KICK-BACKS
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By Sherman H. Skolnick, who? :mj07:
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What do the press fakers really tell us about Iraq? For example,
in October, 1990, at the time of the Persian Gulf conflict, there
was an unpublicized case in the Chicago Federal District Court
(No. 90 C 6863). The Illinois Bank Commissioner sought an
injunction against the Federal Reserve Board to stop them from
turning over certain bank records to the House Banking Committee.
The records were those of the Chicago branch of Italy's largest
[bank], Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, owned in part by the Vatican.

Called BNL, it had records of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein and
his secret private joint business dealings with his partner, an
American. A close crony of the Federal Reserve, Chicago Federal
District Judge Brian Barnett Duff, ordered the return of any
records from the Banking Committee, then headed by a Democrat,
Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D., Texas).

The House Banking Committee was an intervening party-litigant in
the controversy. Judge Duff so opposed the House Banking
Committee's efforts to get those records, that the Judge would
not listen to the Committee's attorney; did not want the attorney
in the Judge's courtroom, the Judge calling him an 800 pound
gorilla showing no respect for the court.

continues>>>>>>>>>
 

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IRAQ'S SADDAM HUSSEIN, GEORGE BUSH, AND THE OIL KICK-BACKS
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By Sherman H. Skolnick, who? :mj07:
----------------------

What do the press fakers really tell us about Iraq? For example,
in October, 1990, at the time of the Persian Gulf conflict, there
was an unpublicized case in the Chicago Federal District Court
(No. 90 C 6863). The Illinois Bank Commissioner sought an
injunction against the Federal Reserve Board to stop them from
turning over certain bank records to the House Banking Committee.
The records were those of the Chicago branch of Italy's largest
[bank], Banca Nazionale del Lavoro, owned in part by the Vatican.

Called BNL, it had records of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein and
his secret private joint business dealings with his partner, an
American. A close crony of the Federal Reserve, Chicago Federal
District Judge Brian Barnett Duff, ordered the return of any
records from the Banking Committee, then headed by a Democrat,
Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D., Texas).

The House Banking Committee was an intervening party-litigant in
the controversy. Judge Duff so opposed the House Banking
Committee's efforts to get those records, that the Judge would
not listen to the Committee's attorney; did not want the attorney
in the Judge's courtroom, the Judge calling him an 800 pound
gorilla showing no respect for the court.

continues>>>>>>>>>

It had nothing to do with the occupation of Kuwait?An multinational force speaks volumes.

Your post makes you look foolish.Keep digging.
 

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It had nothing to do with the occupation of Kuwait?An multinational force speaks volumes.

Your post makes you look foolish.Keep digging.

We are occupying Iraq. What are you talking about?

Nobody said Sadaam isn't an asshole. Why did we pick Iraq? If we overthrew every asshole we would be quite busy.
 

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It had nothing to do with the occupation of Kuwait?An multinational force speaks volumes.

Your post makes you look foolish.Keep digging.

Your stupidity is stupifying ! When the US was done with Sadaam, our Government turned their backs on him, uhhhh like Manny Noriega, another CIA TOOL who went off the reservation. So yes, when Sadaam gave George H the middle finger, why do you think he had to have a sock shoved down his throat? Try, just try to use your historical, not hystarical references going back further than your lifespan.
 

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What if ?

What if China armed Mexico or Canada to attack us just as we armed Iraq in the 80's to attack Iran? We also gave Iraq chemical weapons which he not only used on Iranians but his own people.

Then we just gave Iraq the big FU ! Do you think a dictator (CIA ASSET) left out in the cold would be a bit pissed off?

Who do you think is arming the Mexican Drug gangs? The Lefto News Media would like you to believe that US Gun Stores are ! :142smilie Like you can walk into the Gun Barn and buy Rocket Launchers and a Maw Deuce uh huh ! Some of these pricks have "Little Birds" So where would a Drug Lord get shit like this ? Take a WAG
 

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Your stupidity is stupifying ! When the US was done with Sadaam, our Government turned their backs on him, uhhhh like Manny Noriega, another CIA TOOL who went off the reservation. So yes, when Sadaam gave George H the middle finger, why do you think he had to have a sock shoved down his throat? Try, just try to use your historical, not hystarical references going back further than your lifespan.

Well someone who throws around blowback like blowjobs would see that it ties in.Duh,the reason we didn't finish was because of the multi-national force.

You seem to always forget that.If I threw a brick threw your window every nite eventually you will come after me no.
Saddam got what he deserved.I can't figure you terrorists out.One minute you want us out,the next your pointing out how we left??:cool:
 

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If I threw a brick threw your window every nite eventually you will come after me no.

EXACTLY. That is blowback. That is what we have been trying to tell you. The problem is that you only see it from your point of view.
 

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EXACTLY. That is blowback. That is what we have been trying to tell you. The problem is that you only see it from your point of view.

Tramp,

That's called common sense.You don't need to be from the middle east to know that.I won't argue they hate us for our presence in the reagion its actually common sense.It does not mean the reason were there is not valid.
 

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That's called common sense.You don't need to be from the middle east to know that.I won't argue they hate us for our presence in the reagion its actually common sense.It does not mean the reason were there is not valid.

So which is it? They hate us for fucking with them or they hate us because we are so powerful?

I don't know what the hell you are talking about? The reason we are there is NOT valid. We went looking for WMD's and they weren't there. When we leave it will be fucked up just like it has always been. Except we have dead Americans and billions wasted. Yeah. Sure seems like the right reason to me. :shrug:
 

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Only one way to beat the middleeast Taliban....NUKE their AZZ....Pull the troops now and bring them home OR bring them home and Nuke the damn country.
Nonsense. The U.S. will NEVER use nukes again.

This is why we spend $600-$700 Billion a year on conventional weapons and forces. The U.S. knows more than anyone that the use of nukes means "game over". What does a country gain by winning a war and creating a nuclear holocaust?

Even a limited nuclear war would mean the rules of engagement have changed and that we've taken war to a place that no sane or rational person on the face of the Earth wants to take it.

The deterrence factor of nuclear weapons is highly overrated. If we had any intention of using them, surely over the course of the last 65 years and 5 wars, we would have. The only use we might have for nukes in the future will be to someday redirect asteroids or other space debris hurtling toward Earth.

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So which is it? They hate us for fucking with them or they hate us because we are so powerful?

I don't know what the hell you are talking about? The reason we are there is NOT valid. We went looking for WMD's and they weren't there. When we leave it will be fucked up just like it has always been. Except we have dead Americans and billions wasted. Yeah. Sure seems like the right reason to me. :shrug:

We gave the guy 13 years to smarten up ,he didn't.
How you can say things will be the same are beyond me?Things have already changed for the better.I do admit it's not perfect but the world is not.

Usually when 2 sides have a conflict one is the allies ,the other is the axis.I choose to support the allies,you choose to support the axis.

Its obvious that the 2 sides don't like each other.
You call it blowback,I call it a means to make the WORLD safe,not just our country.
 
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