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Ex-Italian President: Intel Agencies Know 9/11 An Inside Job

Man who blew the whistle on Gladio tells Italy's largest newspaper attacks were run by CIA, Mossad

by Paul Joseph Watson

Global Research, December 5, 2007
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Former Italian President and the man who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, Francesco Cossiga, has gone public on 9/11, telling Italy's most respected newspaper that the attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad and that this was common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies.

Cossiga was elected President of Italian Senate in July 1983 before being winning a landslide 1985 election to become President of the country in 1985.

Cossiga gained respect from opposition parties as one of a rare breed - an honest politician - and led the country for seven years until April 1992.

Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio - a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 60's, 70's and 80's.

Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they coined "false flag operations," terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

Cossiga's revelations contributed to an Italian parliamentary investigation of Gladio in 2000, during which evidence was unearthed that the attacks were being overseen by the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."

Cossiga's new revelations appeared last week in Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper, Corriere della Sera. Below appears a rough translation.

"[Bin Laden supposedly confessed] to the Qaeda September [attack] to the two towers in New York [claiming to be] the author of the attack of the 11, while all the [intelligence services] of America and Europe ... now know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the CIA American and the Mossad with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part ... in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."

Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9/11 in 2001, and is quoted in Webster Tarpley's book as stating that "The mastermind of the attack must have been a "sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel."

Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9/11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge amongst global intelligence agencies is highly unlikely to be mentioned by any establishment media outlets, because like the hundreds of other sober ex-government, military, air force professionals, allied to hundreds more professors and intellectuals - he can't be sidelined as a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
 

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mahoney,

thanks for the link, we've talked a lot about operation gladio ... but add all you want on subject :)

great stuff, of course the naive sheeple will deny anything that goes contrary to their 1% brain capacity :)
 
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Sorry, ptgard1, I thought I had read all through the thread, didn't recall any mention of Gladio.
 

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Were US & Israel Behind the 9/11?

Italian ex-President: CIA & Mossad planed that

The 9/11 atrocity killed 3,000 innocent Americans and was used by Bush as an excuse to wreak havoc across the world from Somalia to Afghanistan (will Iran be next?). The post-invasion excess deaths associated with the Bush War on Terror in Occupied Iraq and Occupied Afghanistan has caused the death of millions of people. (see "State Terrorism" on MWC News). Whoever did 9/11 is accordingly also responsible for the subsequent carnage of the Bush Wars.

The Bush Administration have spun an unbelievable, anti-Arab anti-Semitic, Islamophobic, Hollywood-style, Men in Caves story that the Mainstream media of the Western Murdochracies have made an Article of Faith ? anyone who does not accept this story 100% is a fool, delusional, soft on terrorism or a terrorist.

However at long last a distinguished, intelligence insider ? former Italian President Francesco Cossiga - has come forward to state that in his perception the CIA and Israeli Mossad planed 9/11 and that major intelligence agencies are well aware of this.

Of course this is the opinion of one man, albeit a very highly placed western political leader with intimate knowledge of intelligence matters.

Who was behind the 9/11 attack? This is best addressed by analysing Motive, Opportunity and Means.

Motive

Addressing the question on the basis of Motive and "Cui Bono?" ("who benefits?") is instructive. After the example of the Gulf War and Sanctions War against Iraq (1990-2003 excess deaths 1.9 million and under-5 infant deaths 1.2 million) it is surely highly implausible to suggest that Muslim-origin non-state terrorists would bring comparable devastation upon their own people ? and themselves - by committing such an atrocity against such a dangerous and violent country as America. In contrast, Bush and Zionists have benefited enormously from 9/11 with war, devastation and occupation visited on a swathe of Muslim countries since 9/11 ( Somalia, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan) and with anti-Arab, anti-Semites, Islamophobia and xenophobic, proto-Nazi , civil rights-violating "terrorism" laws employed throughout the world.

Opportunity

In terms of Opportunity, realistically only US Intelligence and Israeli Intelligence had the opportunity given the high level of airport, aeroplane, aviation and general metropolitan security measures in the United States prior to 9/11. Indeed WTC7, the 47 storey WTC building that totally collapsed on 9/11 while not having been hit by planes or having suffered fires, was a New York HQ for US Intelligence and the WTC, having already suffered a bomb attack, was presumably the subject of intense security. The "Official Version" that "Men in Caves" could have done this is absurd.

Means

Leading European Government Ministers and intelligence experts, namely Dr Andreas von Buelow and Horst Ehmke of Germany, have stated that 9/11 required the involvement of a major security service (see "Patriots Question 9/11" ) and General Leonid Ivashov (former chief of Staff of the Russian Armed Forces) has said the same.

Thus it is glaringly obvious that the Bush and Zionist beneficiaries had Motive, Opportunity and Means whereas the "Men in Caves" patently lacked all three. The post-9/11 Bush Administration cover-ups and the rapid, post-9/11 escalation of Bush war, invasion and occupation from Somalia to Afghanistan are consistent with this picture.

And now we have an "intelligence insider" view from former Italian President Francesco Cossiga that the CIA and Mossad were indeed responsible for 9/11 and that all the intelligence services know about it.

Consistent with ex-President Cossiga's expert opinion one can note that the Americans and Israelis had the means (the requisite resources of major intelligence services), the opportunity (completely unimpaired access to normally high security US buildings, airports, planes and airspace) and motive (excuse for invasion and occupation of Muslim countries from Somalia to Afghanistan).

Former President of Italy Francesco Cossiga was a law professor, 7-year president of Italy (a country with a population of about 60 million) and is a Life Senator of Italy. ? and accordingly is a person whose expert and insider opinions about 9/11 on November 2007 to leading Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera should be taken very seriously. See the original Italian article in Corriere della Sera).
"From areas around the Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is testified from the fact that Osama bin Laden in it 'confessed' that Al Qaeda would have been the author of the attack of the 11 September to the Twin Towers in New York, while all of the democratic areas of, America and of Europe, with in the forefront those of the Italian, centre-left, now know well that the disastrous attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to put under accusation the Arabic Countries and to persuade the Western Powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan For this, no word of solidarity arrived to Silvio Berlusconi, who has been the author of the brilliant falsification, neither from the Quironale nor from Palazzo Chigi, nor from representatives of the centre-left!"

Now if Professor Cossiga is correct then a Bush--Zionists joint operation was responsible for 9/11, an event which can be seen to have impacted more on human welfare and human rights than any other event since World War 2.
 

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Who can we believe? Gideon Polya/MWC NEWS

Cossiga, is a distinguished Italian leader, president, professor, senator and intelligence-connected politician who has nothing to gain from his admission except the undying hatred of the Bush and Zionists. According to Wikipedia, Cossiga declared his involvement in setting up Operation Gladio, a secret, "stay-behind", underground, anti-communist NATO network in Europe set up in response to the post-war Soviet threat, after Giulio Andreotti (former Italian prime minister) had revealed its existence (see: here and here).

On the other hand, we have the "official version" of the egregiously dishonest, violent, war-criminals Bush Administration ? the same people who foisted the following ten utterly false pre-war assertions about Iraq to justify war, specifically: Iraqi possession of weapons of mass destruction, poison gas supplies, bacteriological weapons, mobile germ warfare laboratories, Al-Qaeda links, uranium supplies from Niger, ability to strike the West within 45 minutes, dire threat to the US, dire threat to the UK, and responsibility for 9/11.

For the scepticism of a large number of distinguished, decent, patriotic, American intellectuals, military, scientists and scholars in relation to the "official version" and the "cover-up" see Scholars for 9/11 truth and Patriots Question 9/11.

Yet the Mainstream media and politicians in the Western Murdochracies would still have us believe the "official version".

The "official story" involves 2 planes being hijacked and hitting the Twin Towers which subsequently totally collapsed, as did the adjacent 47 storey WTC building 7; a 3rd plane crashing into the side of the Pentagon; and a 4th plane crashing in Pennsylvania.

Major problems with the official "story" include hijacking with box-cutters; no survivors; extremely inexperienced hijacker pilots hitting the WTC buildings; important evidence consistent with planned demolition of the three WTC buildings (especially the 47 storey WTC7 building that had not been hit by a plane and did not have major fires); "transubstantiation" of 3 huge buildings (and notably the completely undamaged parts) into fine powder in a 10 second "gravitational collapse"; asserted mobile phone calls from high speed planes at high altitude; inexperienced pilots flying a huge jet (with a core height of about 2 stories) just above the ground to hit the Pentagon between the second and third floors, leaving a 18 foot hole without aircraft debris; widely scattered debris of the 4th plane consistent with a missile hit; and the comprehensive failure of the air force to respond to any of the four off-course planes (notwithstanding decades of such rapid responses) (for an analysis of my personal memorial to the 9/11 tragedy see my huge painting "Manhattan Madonna" on MWC News).

A statistical approach to Mainstream media and politician lying by omission and commission over 9/11 has been to assign a probability of 0.1 (10%) to each of a total of 22 very unlikely, contingent, successive parts of the extraordinary "official" story e.g.

Two of these "official story" elements are that a steel-reinforced building will completely mimic expert demolition and be "transubstantiated" into fine powder in a 10 second "gravitational collapse" after a limited fire and that a minimally light aircraft-trained pilot could fly a huge passenger jet into a spot between the second and third floors on the side of the Pentagon. The probability of the overall "official" story being correct then becomes an astronomically low 10-22 (10 to the negative power 22) i.e. the "official" story is almost certainly false.

I place much greater credence on former President Cossiga than on the lying, traitorous Bush administration and Zionists running the Bush War on Terror. Unfortunately Murdoch dominated Western Mainstream media will ensure that most of the American People ? enslaved in a pervasively dishonest Murdochracy - won't get to hear about former President Cossiga's perception of who actually did 9/11.

Notwithstanding his eminence, ex-President Cossiga is but one major Western politician offering his PERCEPTION of "who planned the 9/11" - and of "who knows who was behind the 9/11 attack". Americans must insist on the truth and proper judicial exposure of those who actually killed 3,000 Americans on 9/11.

Dr Gideon Polya, MWC News Chief political editor, published some 130 works in a 4 decade scientific career, most recently a huge pharmacological reference text "Biochemical Targets of Plant Bioactive Compounds" (CRC Press/Taylor & Francis, New York & London, 2003), and is currently writing a book on global mortality ---
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This entire thread offers nothing.

Then please remind me gomer, why do you post in it? Nobody gives a shit about your dumb ass stick figures. You find the whole thing to be nonsense. Great. That is your right. So just ignore it. Wtf is your fascination? Just leave it alone, and again, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME.
 

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Sorry, ptgard1, I thought I had read all through the thread, didn't recall any mention of Gladio.




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Yes those are all true incidents pt1guard. Even more telling, operations GLADIO, AJAX and CONDOR, highlight exactly what intell agencies are capable of to "maintain our system". They've had a long history of infiltrating subversive organizations, and even establishing some. In many cases without the lower level "terrorists" or subversives even knowing who they really work for. One can only assume that the networks have gotten even better over the decades. And with organizations like the notorious Pakistani ISI and Saudi secret police "playing ball" with our side, there can be little doubt that many of these "terrorists" have been manipulated. To what degree would be the only question.

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Then please remind me gomer, why do you post in it? Nobody gives a shit about your dumb ass stick figures. You find the whole thing to be nonsense. Great. That is your right. So just ignore it. Wtf is your fascination? Just leave it alone, and again, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME.

my fascination is the same as yours. It is a thread and I can post in it. It's that simple.

Taking 10 minutes out of my night to draw a fun picture is a good way to spend my time.

I'm just waiting for you freaks to post some real facts so that we can have a discussion on it.
 

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>>>Physics and math brought down the WTC, not men in black rigging a floor with explosive devices.<<<

Professionals "in the know" say you are wrong.
http://www.ae911truth.org/

I pulled this snippet of the front page of that website:

As seen in this revealing photo the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosions:


Now, riddle me this. In an earlier video we have been shown on here it was stated that there has never been a building demolished with an "explosion" All the buildings demolished in the past have been brought down by 'implosions'

So how can the WTC exhibit all the characteristics of destruction by explosion when there is no standard to measure it against?

That took me about 15 seconds to read their webpage and see it... I'm afraid to keep reading it and see how great the rest of their facts are.
 

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just block/ignore marine, he has come and gone and threatened to never come back but hes a true blue military guy who just cant take it, plus hes a babe, look at his pic--he needs to clash b/c he served and still swallows lies easily, its understandable.... I pity him for being so gulliible but its perogative :00hour to post pictures and never discuss anything in his own words and go pasting via other's thoughts like the other vacuous lobotmy patients. ive offered several times to debate him and others over the phone and tape it and play for the Mjs yet they wet the sheets at the mere thought of being humiliated :mj07:


TT,

i posted somewhere in thread about an amazing book all about the gladio and other secret operations that were funded by Nato to murder innocents with the CIAs help ... i was gonna buy it but it costs like $140 bc its OOP and obviously coveted ... i dont think the Kean commission's pack of lies would fetch such a price hehe

block the blockheads :)
 
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All this squawking about Marine and I had to un-ignore him for a minute to see what all the fuss was about.

Thank goodness he went to a 'top 5' engineering school, otherwise his cartoons would be illegible. :mj07:

Give him a break guys, remember the feeling you had when you found out Santa Claus isn't real? Imagine if you had enlisted as an Elf for a few years on top of that, and you can see how hard it is for him to recognize the lies and deceit, and what a sham this Gov't is.

Just ignore him because nothing could change his mind at this point, the Military is good at brainwashing they have been doing it for a looooooooong time.
 

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IIIIIIIIIIIII rely on cut and paste jobs?
you are deluded dude.
you even said so yourself in this thread that you dont fact check what you put up here, just cut and paste away.
probably 70% of my posts were from my mouth to the keyboard. YOU are the one cut and pasting like a king.

As for your open challenge to debate on the phone.. you were delusion about that as well. It wasnt until just recently that you piped up with that.. keep twisting things and plugging them into your spin machine.
As I said, given your delusional mind, there is no telling what sound bytes will be published in what order.

I can see how it will go already... you'll ask some silly questions that deal with the zionist movement and why did people do this and that... I will call you a flaming retard for buying into it, and you will continue to ask questions unrelated to the actual physical downfall of the WTC but instead dance around the who coulda dunnit idea.
I'll pipe up with some discussion about figuring out the velocity of the fall, the limits of the time it took to fall, and how you can't rely solely on the magic 8.5 seconds... you'll call me brainwashed and a mindless zombie, i'll call you a tin foil freak and we will yell and argue about how completely unrealistic it is that there were explosives planted throughout the building... you'll pull 10 words out of a paragraph length statement to manipulate and prove your point, i'll read the entire transcript, you'll call me a mindless brainwashed zombie trying to capitalize on the trendiness of thinking there was a huge conspiracy

there, look at that. I put down the transcripts of the call in under 5 minutes. done.
 

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All this squawking about Marine and I had to un-ignore him for a minute to see what all the fuss was about.

Thank goodness he went to a 'top 5' engineering school, otherwise his cartoons would be illegible. :mj07:

Give him a break guys, remember the feeling you had when you found out Santa Claus isn't real? Imagine if you had enlisted as an Elf for a few years on top of that, and you can see how hard it is for him to recognize the lies and deceit, and what a sham this Gov't is.

Just ignore him because nothing could change his mind at this point, the Military is good at brainwashing they have been doing it for a looooooooong time.

:00hour agent can't stay away!
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obviously there must be some sort of a doubt in your mind about the whole conspiracy thing that makes you keep coming back to me. Its ok agent, come back over to the side of logic and reason, you can be a productive member of society yet again.
 

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>>>9/11 - WTC worker Mike Pecoraro and a co-worker, who were in the basement of the North Tower, see "white smoke" begin to fill the room after a loud explosion and believes a bomb went off in the basement floors above him after he witnesses that the machine shop on Level C was totally destroyed and a 50 ton hydraulic press there was "gone," sees that the parking garage the floor above had been totally destroyed, and sees that both lobbies of the North and South Towers were heavily damaged too.<<<

Damn those Arabs.......they thought of everything!
 
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