Assasinate Bertuzzi!!!

[kickserv]

yyz........clearly you have not watched hockey in last 15 years.....you have no clue what you are talking about when you are talking about fighting. Two facts to consider:


Hockey News took a pole asking all the players who made the top 50 players off all time (the ones that were still alive) and all said fighting should stay. When Gretzky was asked who he considered the most important players he played with (NHL, not International) he said "Messier, Kurri, and SEMENKO.......yep that's right........SEMENKO!!!!!!! When Gretzky had his Oiler sweater retired...guess who was there....SEMENKO!! Do you have any idea how much the fans got to see of Gretzkey because of Semenko....nobody, I mean nobody could touch Gretzky, and because of that we got to see the most amazing athlete in sports....or as we call him....our Canadian god.

Yes the Bertuzzi incident was bad, but don't confuse that with fighting. You have no idea what you are talking about when you say to get rid of fighting.


oh and the dumbest rule in sport..the insigator rule.


oh and YYZ..........you probably like baseball right.......


And by the way, NHL players are BY FAR the classiest guys in pro sports. Ask any member of the media what dressing room they like to go in........they'll all tell ya.......THE NHL. Hardly any rapists, drug dealers, wife beaters, and drug addicts in those rooms. Oh and guess what.........you won't see any NHL'ers pulling out a sharpie or a friggen cell phone..........they are actually team players who can not only carry on a conversation but show some respect to a fellow human being.

 

[Sam]

your right, but like i said, it happens all the time. Everytime there is a cheap shot on a star, or a bad hit they didnt like, they all say, oh next game you will get it, and everyone watches cause there is now bad blood between these 2, lets see what happens. Well this time when something actually did happen, and unluckily this severe, everyone wants to hang em. Same people wanted to see the rematch cause you dont know whats gonna happen. You cant honestly tell me, you think that bertuzzi was hoping something like this would happen. He wanted to punch him around like any other guy, but im guessing that because moore wasnt gonna drop his gloves or fight on his own he suckered him to start it. No its not right, but it would have been a non issue if he didnt get hurt. And maybe thats the problem right there. Like im saying, all the other guys who did it, and had nobody got hurt, got nothing for it, and the same would have happened here. Only thing that would have happened is people would be MORE pumped to see the next match between them.

 

[RexBudler]

hey.......I like baseball

 

[trademaster]

I think the reason that everyone is all over Bertuzzi for this attack is they talked about a bounty for chrisake.

only 1 person talked about a bounty that was Brad May ...if all of this was planned why didn't they go after moore March 3rd?

 

[kickserv]

it's ok Rex........I won't hold it aginst ya But it's ok Baseball isn't even a sport in my opinion.



and FWIW.......Bertuzzi should get 15 games plus 1st round of playoffs. Oh and the hit on Naslund was totally clean.......nothing wrong with that hit at all...........it's called hockey. Sure you have to stand up when your captain gets smacked........but the hit was totally clean....Naslund just had his head down that's all........after all this isn't baseball.....it's hockey....you do get hit in hockey ya know

 

[Dick McStiffen]

May was the only one who mentioned the word probably but when it all went down and you thought back to Crawford's remarks did it not add up to four for you ?

 

[Dick McStiffen]

Don't be playing dumb here Trademaster, they did not go after him March 3rd because it was in Colorado. They only have balls at home. I hate it when you play stupid like that. You are the most intelligent human being to ever grace this forum so don't be letting me down with dumb ass posts. Sorry Charlie I didn't mean to get in your way.

 

[Robbo]

For those of you who think that Bertuzzi maliciously drove his head into the ice i would like you to see this video clip. Anyone who has ever played hockey would know what happens if you step on a stick. Look away from the punch being delivered and check out his skate. He steps on the stick and loses his balance. The combination of Bertuzzi slipping and Moore already being out cold propels them to the ice together. Of course he still threw the punch. But i don't think that's as bad of a crime as what i'm seeing, reading and hearing about.

http://members.rogers.com/ryan.macdonald/moorehurt.mpeg

 

[Da_Insider]

saw the clip many times and yes he did step on the stick...nonetheless, he suckered punched Moore and that was uncalled for...

and as for Granato, yes he's pissed at Bert, but he should remember what he did to Neil Wilkinson in '94 with his STICK, which got himself a 15 game suspension!...that was a cheap shot by Bert and you can call him a coward, gutless, no-class, or whatever you want, but tony g should remember he is in the same class...

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

fighting is necessary in hockey, period.
You need to send a message to the other team if your captain is being nailed all the time. I'm not going to type an essay on why "fighting is needed", but it's more of a psychological notion.

 

[Sun Tzu]

yyz........clearly you have not watched hockey in last 15 years.....you have no clue what you are talking about when you are talking about fighting. Two facts to consider:


Hockey News took a pole asking all the players who made the top 50 players off all time (the ones that were still alive) and all said fighting should stay. When Gretzky was asked who he considered the most important players he played with (NHL, not International) he said "Messier, Kurri, and SEMENKO.......yep that's right........SEMENKO!!!!!!! When Gretzky had his Oiler sweater retired...guess who was there....SEMENKO!! Do you have any idea how much the fans got to see of Gretzkey because of Semenko....nobody, I mean nobody could touch Gretzky, and because of that we got to see the most amazing athlete in sports....or as we call him....our Canadian god.

Yes the Bertuzzi incident was bad, but don't confuse that with fighting. You have no idea what you are talking about when you say to get rid of fighting.


oh and the dumbest rule in sport..the insigator rule.


oh and YYZ..........you probably like baseball right.......


And by the way, NHL players are BY FAR the classiest guys in pro sports. Ask any member of the media what dressing room they like to go in........they'll all tell ya.......THE NHL. Hardly any rapists, drug dealers, wife beaters, and drug addicts in those rooms. Oh and guess what.........you won't see any NHL'ers pulling out a sharpie or a friggen cell phone..........they are actually team players who can not only carry on a conversation but show some respect to a fellow human being.

hmmmmm...I am no hockey expert but I guess I can start with Patrick Roy, Ed Belfour, who was the guy a year or so ago found with heroin in his hotel room in St Louis,.........

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

So much for resisting.

I think we need to take an objective look at this. First, let's go back to the Feb. 17 game between the Avs and Canucks. In that game, Moore delivered an elbow to the jaw of Canucks captain, Markus Naslund, which knocked Naslund unconscious and lying on the ice in a pool of his own blood. After he was carried from the ice, Naslund was diagnosed with a concussion and required 13 stitches to close cuts on his nose and forehead. In addition to being the Canucks captain, Naslund is also the teams leading scorer. He is the player around whom the Canucks scoring prowess is built. In short, Naslund is the Canuck's marquee player.

Moore on the other hand is a player without any particular talent. He lacks a scoring touch, his defensive talents are questionable and he lacks the aggression to be successful in a checking role. His NHL career will depend on the occasional call-up, to fill-out his pro-team's injury gaps. Professionally, he'll play more games on farm teams and when he does get called-up, the best he can expect is third or fourth line assignments. When he elbowed Naslund on Feb. 17, he was probably trying to do something(anything) that would delay his inevitable return to Colorado's farm team.


Now let's turn this around. Imagine last night that, a fourth line player from the Canucks had delivered an elbow to the Avs marquee player, Joe Sakic. And imagine that the results had been the same as was the case for Markus Naslund on Feb. 17. How do you think Colorado would've responded in their next matchup with Vancouver? Well, we have the reaction of one Colorado fan to use as a clue,

"Next time Vancouver comes to Denver, they better bring bullet proof vests", or something like that

I don't think there can be doubt, that Colorado would've retaliated if the shoe was on the other foot. Would they have retaliated as Vancouver did, by punishing the culprit? Or would they have attempted to payback, by injuring Vancouver's marquee player? Does it really matter?



In the final analysis, what Todd Bertuzzi did was very wrong. Not just because of the severity of the attack, but because retaliation inevitably leads to escalation. Bertuzzi deserves the harshest punishment for his actions, but the league needs to warn all teams that any future acts of retaliation will be met with swift and severe punishment. It also need to set harsher punishments for deliberate acts to injure. Whether the punisher is a first-liner like Bertuzzi, or a nobody like Moore. Whether the injured player is the team's star or a gap-filler.

 

[kickserv]

Sun:

I wasn't saying that every single NHL'er is a saint.......but it's not even close compared to other sports..........let's just say there are no Ray Lewis's in the NHL

 

[Sun Tzu]

Well, if you are going to do it, dont you get some 4th liner or minor-league call-up guy to do it?

 

[kickserv]

and doc I agree....except I thought the Moore hit was clean.....

oh and have I mentioned how terrible the Instigator rule is..oh yeah I have :tongue

 

[DR STRANGELOVE]

Also, I am hearing that he may be charged for attempted murder. Canadian law is different from the laws in the US. Up here to form a charge of attempted murder you will have to prove intent, actus rea and mens rea. Bertuzzi meant to hurt him and I think he didn't mean to do as much damage as he did, but it happened and now he has to be dealt with. We will see what the police have in store for him if any.

 

[CHARLESMANSON]

nice to fianlly see Mr. Hockey in here for once :moon:

 

[Robbo]

It's unfortunate and horrible to see what happened to Moore but there is more to it then just those few seconds. If i was on the Avalanche i would be questioning Tony Granato as to why Moore was even on the ice. Unless he was trying to teach the kid a lesson about life in the NHL. With the game completely out of hand and the way the game had been played (rough). Putting Moore on the ice was obviously going to result in something happening. Now of course nobody expected the end result. That would be a stupid thing to say.

Isn't the job of a coach to put players in a position to succeed and in roles with which they are comfortable? Clearly Moore didn't want anything to do with fighting. His coach should have left him on the bench with the game out of hand. He did fight Cooke (one of the smallest players on the ice and a fair match) but everybody knew he would be challenged again. From the Canuck side of the ice he was challenged by Sean Pronger prior to Bertuzzi's attack. If he won't answer the bell when Sean Pronger (a player who rarely fights and a size match) comes calling who will he fight? Did Steve Moore have to fight? Nobody has to fight. In the NHL world did Steve Moore have to fight? With the situation surrounding this game? Pretty much. It may sound harsh but if he fought Pronger or anyone else this would not have happened. He could have fought Bertuzzi as well. He would have been out matched there but could've just turtled or tripped Bertuzzi and probably would've come out of the fight without too much damage.

Is this Steve Moore's fault? Of course not. Does he deserve to be lying in the hospital in his current condition? Of course not.

Does Bertuzzi deserve the abuse he's taking right now? I don't think so.

Whatever happened to the respect for star players in this league? Players know that if you go after players like Naslund, Sakic, Forsberg, Sundin etc. then you better be looking over your shoulder at all times.

I don't think Moore's hit on Naslund was as cheap or dirty as some have made it out to be either. The fact is you don't take shots at a star player without paying some sort of a price. Unfortunately for everyone involved it turned out to be way too high of a price.

Moore should never have finished a check on a player in a prone and indefensible position like Naslund was. Especially a star player and a player who would never do it to you. Of course Moore knew what player he had a free shot at. He took it. Players used to either pass on laying that type of hit or they were ready for the retaliation. Moore took his shot at Naslund but didn't want any of what was coming his way.

I don't see Bertuzzi's actions being worse then a lot of other incidents that have resulted in suspensions over the past several years. Especially the ones involving sticks. The result was terrible. There is no denying that and he will be handed a stronger sentence then what his actions deserve because of all the negative press.

 

[yyz]

yyz........clearly you have not watched hockey in last 15 years.....you have no clue what you are talking about when you are talking about fighting.

oh and YYZ..........you probably like baseball right.......


And by the way, NHL players are BY FAR the classiest guys in pro sports........they are actually team players who can not only carry on a conversation but show some respect to a fellow human being.

Yeah.....they sure "respect" their fellow human beings! By the way....WTF does liking baseball have to do with the NHL? (Which has about the same fan mentality as the WWE)

The mere fact that anyone thinks fighting in a sport is neccessary, should show you how idiotic their thinking is. If the league actually halted the fights, the game would still go on. So all you clowns who think it is a "fundimental part of the game" could never watch international hockey? Where the art of playing the game is still in fashion?

The only major sport which not only has, but incourages, activity that could get you thrown in jail on the streets?

A sport where the announcers actually "call" the fights, like ringside commentators?


Saying "fighting is neccessary", is like saying "carrying a gun in this neighborhood is neccessary". If it is, then something is wrong. If you can't see that, something is wrong with you.

 

[Snafu]

just my 2 cents

fighting is not necessary, but if it happens i like to see it.
specially if there is reason like bertuzzi had, i'm sure he
didn't mean to hurt moore as bad as he did. if moore shouldn't have fallen down to ice call propably would have been 2 minutes no more.

watching icehockey game and hoping that there is no fight is like watching motor racing and hope that there is no crash.