Boxing 11/20 - 11/23
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ive watched a few recent hatton clips and he looks much improved technically, with terrific pad work with sr
but in mid-september he looked like a ball of greese, waddling to his ringside seats. if camp started in october, how much can you learn in 6 weeks from a master technician?
im very tempted to play hatton here, its just so hard to predict how much snr can do in 6 weeks with a fat drunkard.
but in mid-september he looked like a ball of greese, waddling to his ringside seats. if camp started in october, how much can you learn in 6 weeks from a master technician?
im very tempted to play hatton here, its just so hard to predict how much snr can do in 6 weeks with a fat drunkard.
OK-McGirt is an "A" hole! Just because Ricky is a "ball of grease", doesn't mean he will slip a lot of punches. Oh yea, we will see the new/improved boxing master Hatton this time out. No more holding/grabbing etc. Get the fuk out of town. This fight will be butt ugly. I still may go!!!
Yea punch, sounds good. I just don't like the crowds at the MGM, but I totally agree with your thinking. The Brits should show up, maybe not as prolific as usual though. And who the hell knows who Paulie is? A nite out/something to do I suppose. Round prop: goes the distance=yes.
I am going Big on Hatton to beat Paulie ITD at +300.
I just can't forget how badly staggered Paulie was against Herman Ngoudjo. A guy who can't punch at all.
I am going big on on Hatton/Paulie under 11 1/2 rounds at +280.
I think Hatton can stop Paulie and I also think Paulie can cut Hatton up.
I can't wait until the rest of the odds come out for this week!!!
Good luck all :toast:
I just can't forget how badly staggered Paulie was against Herman Ngoudjo. A guy who can't punch at all.
I am going big on on Hatton/Paulie under 11 1/2 rounds at +280.
I think Hatton can stop Paulie and I also think Paulie can cut Hatton up.
I can't wait until the rest of the odds come out for this week!!!
Good luck all :toast:
- Jun 23, 2008
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Oh snap wee
I was actually leaning pretty hard toward the over in this one
the odds are great on the under, but I think Cotto is better than Hatton and he couldn't get rid of Paulie
I'm gonna see how these guys weigh-in
Paulie can't crack an egg, but he seems very motivated for this fight
guess I will have to review that Paulie-Ngoudjo and refresh my memory....
I was actually leaning pretty hard toward the over in this one
the odds are great on the under, but I think Cotto is better than Hatton and he couldn't get rid of Paulie
I'm gonna see how these guys weigh-in
Paulie can't crack an egg, but he seems very motivated for this fight
guess I will have to review that Paulie-Ngoudjo and refresh my memory....
I agree with you about Cotto Ghost but I think Paulie got the weight drained, not so great, version of Cotto and still got pummeled.
Good luck with whatever you decide.
You are both correct Ghost and Paul about the Cotto fight, I just wanted to add that Hatton applies a different kind of pressure than Cotto did. There were stretches were Cotto really didn't do much, he gave Malig space. That could've been the weight, saving energy.
Hatton figures to be in his face all night throwing something, it won't have Cotto's power, but it's relentless, and it takes slick boxers out of their comfort zone. One of theb est things to come out of the Hatton camp is that he's learning to fight in burts and use combos, so he cuts the ring off using pressure, then tees off combos to the body and head, instead of chasing and clinching. He just looks more efficient and strategic than before.
I just think Cotto and Hatton bring two distinct types of power and pressure, Malig could handle Cotto's, but I think his lack of power and inability to keep Hatton off could get him stopped by Hatton's brand of pressure.
Hatton figures to be in his face all night throwing something, it won't have Cotto's power, but it's relentless, and it takes slick boxers out of their comfort zone. One of theb est things to come out of the Hatton camp is that he's learning to fight in burts and use combos, so he cuts the ring off using pressure, then tees off combos to the body and head, instead of chasing and clinching. He just looks more efficient and strategic than before.
I just think Cotto and Hatton bring two distinct types of power and pressure, Malig could handle Cotto's, but I think his lack of power and inability to keep Hatton off could get him stopped by Hatton's brand of pressure.
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good stuff wee and nj
definitely got me thinking on this one
I agree with you on hatton bringing a very different kind of pressure
got a few more days to think this over....
I really miss Wednesday Night Fights...
its gonna be just awful in a few weeks when Telefutura bites the dust as well....
How bout the undercard matchups Saturday...
Brian Vera vs James Kirkland ( UNDER ! )
Matthew Hatton vs. Ben Tackie....
baby Hatton's not very good, but Tackie is like 100 yrs old!
some good stuff this weekend
good luck fellas...
definitely got me thinking on this one
I agree with you on hatton bringing a very different kind of pressure
got a few more days to think this over....
I really miss Wednesday Night Fights...
its gonna be just awful in a few weeks when Telefutura bites the dust as well....
How bout the undercard matchups Saturday...
Brian Vera vs James Kirkland ( UNDER ! )
Matthew Hatton vs. Ben Tackie....
baby Hatton's not very good, but Tackie is like 100 yrs old!
some good stuff this weekend
good luck fellas...
Kirkland Vera is an interesting bout. They might set the under low at 4.5 or 5.5, and it might not hit. Kirkland should unload everything early, Vera should be able to walk through it for at least a few rounds. He could Andy Lee him and knock out a discouraged and fatigued Kirkland. I hope we get outcome props for it.
Kirkland was unimpressive in his last bout against that tall skinny white guy, he looked out of control and undisciplined, and got caught flush with right hands throughout. I thought the stoppage was premature too. His female trainer doesn't strike me as competent or prepared for world-class pupils.
I don't want to say Vera is live, that's a stretch, he's still a crude tough guy slugger. But I'd take him at huge odds, especially him by KO.
Kirkland was unimpressive in his last bout against that tall skinny white guy, he looked out of control and undisciplined, and got caught flush with right hands throughout. I thought the stoppage was premature too. His female trainer doesn't strike me as competent or prepared for world-class pupils.
I don't want to say Vera is live, that's a stretch, he's still a crude tough guy slugger. But I'd take him at huge odds, especially him by KO.
Lederman props: Paulie+1.5 first 3 is a play, if number is decent. Paulie will box early, win at least 1/3. I think Hatton wins this one.
Don't forget Lederman is partial to Hatton, he favours inaffective aggression over sharp counters. See his Mayweather-Hatton scorecard, his Pac-JMM 2 scorecard, and his Williams-Quintana scorecard. Whoever throws the most punches wins according to him, and I don't think it will be Paulie.
Intersting thoughts on the lederman props.
I think you are both right.
Paulie will most certainly win one of the first 3 rounds on most peoples scorecard, but Lederman is not most people...
@weepaul
I dont know if Malignaggi was that badly hurt against Herman...but he certainly is not that hard to hit for a guy that is labelled a defensive genious...
I think you are both right.
Paulie will most certainly win one of the first 3 rounds on most peoples scorecard, but Lederman is not most people...
@weepaul
I dont know if Malignaggi was that badly hurt against Herman...but he certainly is not that hard to hit for a guy that is labelled a defensive genious...
Good point nj; still feel PM knows he needs to send a message from the jump, so he should get a round in the bank early.
Take a look at round 7 about 40 seconds in. Paulie is lucky that no-punch,slower than a statue Herman missed with his follow up shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8zpsePQy-s
@weepaul
you're right, he got really staggered a bit by that punch...but he wasnt badly hurt IMO.
Maybe we mean the same, I dont think Paulies chin is bad, but he can be hurt...
you're right, he got really staggered a bit by that punch...but he wasnt badly hurt IMO.
Maybe we mean the same, I dont think Paulies chin is bad, but he can be hurt...
wow thx for the link weepaul, I didn't see the fight. Malig's gameplan was crappy or non-existent. He's got the same crappy trainer this time around, good news for Hatton backers.
Hatton has quicker feet and shorter arms than Ngoudjo, he should but able to shorten the distance and do better body work. Floyd Sr is supposedly teaching him to throw combos instead of clinching in close, we'll have to wait and see. Hatton will have to eat shots ont he way in, but eating shots from Mayweather and Malig are incomparable.
For a slick fighter, Paulie's movement has deteriorated. I'm really liking Hatton now. Hopefully I can get -200, and a decent KO play.
Hatton has quicker feet and shorter arms than Ngoudjo, he should but able to shorten the distance and do better body work. Floyd Sr is supposedly teaching him to throw combos instead of clinching in close, we'll have to wait and see. Hatton will have to eat shots ont he way in, but eating shots from Mayweather and Malig are incomparable.
For a slick fighter, Paulie's movement has deteriorated. I'm really liking Hatton now. Hopefully I can get -200, and a decent KO play.
We do mean the same.
I know Paulie has a good chin but I think if it was Ricky in there at that point, the magic man might have gotten dummied by Hatton, who is sooo much quicker than Herman.
