well said...agree on margaito....nobody knows how much the manny beatings took out of either guy....so we`re flying blind there...the crowd will be pro-cotto...but i`m still taking the points...
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well said...agree on margaito....nobody knows how much the manny beatings took out of either guy....so we`re flying blind there...the crowd will be pro-cotto...but i`m still taking the points...
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I think people are crazy to put money on Margarito. If his eye is fucked he is in real trouble. You can target it all you want in sparring but it's not like Margarito is going to become a defensive wizard overnight. His strength was always being able to absorb punishment as opposed to having "boxing" skill.
Now you could say that we are just speculating about the severity of he eye injury, but it's not a good sign that he made every public appearance looking like fucking Jackie O.
Now you could say that we are just speculating about the severity of he eye injury, but it's not a good sign that he made every public appearance looking like fucking Jackie O.
Emptied out the sportsbook account on picks
Emptied out the sportsbook account on picks
(Mike Jones vs. Sebastian Andres Lujan 9.5 over @ -160, Mike Jones in parlays)
I'm confident Mike Jones can take the decision over Lujan, but I'm equally confident he cannot stop Lujan. Lujan has only been stopped twice, once in that infamous fight w/ Margarito where his ear nearly fell off, and the other against Marco Antonio Avendano, a fight I admit I know nothing about. Mike Jones has not torn through opponents as he should against fighters like Lenin Arroyo and Henry Bruseles. Lenin Arroyo was stopped in 1 by Holt, in 5 by Sadam Ali, in 2 by Mikey Alvarado, and in 2 by Mike Dallas Jr.
(Vic Darchinyan -250 straight and in parlays, 9.5 under +200)
(Delvin Rodriguez +130 straight)
(Joseph Agbeko +105 straight)
Took Mares in the first fight, but I cannot ignore the fact that Agbeko was coming on strong, and w/o all the low blows and the unjust knockdown, he may have won the first fight.
(John Murray +900 straight)
This one is simply a hedge I placed last night immediately after the weight-in as I was frightened by how Rios looked, being as how I have him stuffed in quite a few parlays. He made 147 this morning so the fight is on.
Emptied out the sportsbook account on picks
(Mike Jones vs. Sebastian Andres Lujan 9.5 over @ -160, Mike Jones in parlays)
I'm confident Mike Jones can take the decision over Lujan, but I'm equally confident he cannot stop Lujan. Lujan has only been stopped twice, once in that infamous fight w/ Margarito where his ear nearly fell off, and the other against Marco Antonio Avendano, a fight I admit I know nothing about. Mike Jones has not torn through opponents as he should against fighters like Lenin Arroyo and Henry Bruseles. Lenin Arroyo was stopped in 1 by Holt, in 5 by Sadam Ali, in 2 by Mikey Alvarado, and in 2 by Mike Dallas Jr.
(Vic Darchinyan -250 straight and in parlays, 9.5 under +200)
(Delvin Rodriguez +130 straight)
(Joseph Agbeko +105 straight)
Took Mares in the first fight, but I cannot ignore the fact that Agbeko was coming on strong, and w/o all the low blows and the unjust knockdown, he may have won the first fight.
(John Murray +900 straight)
This one is simply a hedge I placed last night immediately after the weight-in as I was frightened by how Rios looked, being as how I have him stuffed in quite a few parlays. He made 147 this morning so the fight is on.
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I think people are crazy to put money on Margarito. If his eye is fucked he is in real trouble. You can target it all you want in sparring but it's not like Margarito is going to become a defensive wizard overnight. His strength was always being able to absorb punishment as opposed to having "boxing" skill.
Now you could say that we are just speculating about the severity of he eye injury, but it's not a good sign that he made every public appearance looking like fucking Jackie O.
Lots of things have been suspect in Margarito's behavior since the Pacquiao fight, constantly wearing shades being one of them, a bs media workout showing him failing miserably on the speed bag being another. Public figures can avoid direct eye contact wearing shades, or do so when they have something to hide, in Margs case it could be the eye or it could be the truth. The speed bag ruse, possibly to make people think his hand eye coordination is off, but he's already been seen in training hitting the bag fine, besides any prizefighter is capable of hitting the speed bag w/o even looking.
Thanks december, best week ever for me so far... so actually whatever is going to happen I wont complain...
I agree its a pitty that a lot of books dont offer props...
Regarding your other bets, as you may have seen on earlyer pagers I am big on Jones too. Really like that guy and Helenis. Vic should win, and maybe ko his opponent, but I can even see him struggeling with the style and we may get a close fight that can go the distance... (no big play here for me)
Really looking forward to the fights, will be a very intersting evening :toast:
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A ruse is a possibility, he can obviously hit the speedbag. But his eye does actually look different than before.
Vic says he is going to UFC/MMA after this fight. I am not sure I believe this, but I took Moreno, and I think he will win by decision.
If Margarito's eye breaks apart, will it be like a cut when he goes to the corner, and can his team put it back in place? Or, will the ref allow him to wear an eye patch if there is a problem? And unlike a mouth piece, which is easy to spot, what if they cannot find his broken eyeball? A guess that would be a TKO for Cotto. Or does his corner have spare eye ball parts?
I haven't put much stock into his MMA talks as there is no weight class low enough for him to compete in. UFC bantamweight is 135, and I highly doubt he'd fight anywhere else given his earning potential in boxing. He's also said he's going to move up to 122 and beyond, wants to rematch Mares, wants to turn Donaire's light off, etc etc.
I have pondered the possibility that Moreno would box circles around Vic, but part of my belief in that possibility was that Moreno had a big size advantage over Darchinyan, which judging by the weigh in, he is not that much bigger than Darch.
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A ruse is a possibility, he can obviously hit the speedbag. But his eye does actually look different than before.
Fully aware his eye looks bigger than before. You are quite obviously big on Cotto, and he is very much so the sentimental favorite, good luck to you.
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UFC are opening a flyweight division which coincides nicely with Vic's annoucement.
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:shrug: Not so much sentimentality than logic. I guess everyone sees what they want, but your analysis contains a whole lot of conjecture, which I was addressing.
I guess that you don't want to discuss it further, GL to us all.
I meant sentimental as in virtually everyone wants him to win, due to Margarito's less than serious attitude and near annoyance towards all hand wrap related questions. My analysis on the fight really is more about the size than the eye. Cotto's fighting a real 154 for the first time, irregardless of how damaged Margs is. I can't really say much on the eye as I don't have the knowledge in science. My guess is Cotto backers aren't exactly sitting comfortably on their couches though.
Not sure who said it here, but Margarito's stock in trade versus Cotto last time out was his willingness/ability to take and absorb Cotto's shots and win by attrition. Margarito is a slow, prodding fighter. Cotto has always fought measured and is in for the long haul, now anyway. Cotto a better, more accurate guy; Margarito sets down on his punches and throws every shot with murderous intentions. Value is on Margarito here.
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I was just saying that it doesn't matter if Tony trained to defend the eye during sparring because his style is to take punishment in order for his opponent to leave openings, in which he delivers harder punches. He's not going to start slipping punches and countering all of a sudden.
So, IF his eye is fucked then he will be in big trouble because he will be forced to take damage in order to fight "his fight". And if he if favoring the eye in any way he will be leaving something else open.
As per the weight, I thought Tony weighed in at 152.5? I'm not sure if he can reach 170 considering her only put on 13lbs after the Manny cut.
CET
17.50 Erik Skoglund - Amine Belali
18.10 Gianmario Grassellini - Jack Culcay
19.00 Jussi Koivula - Jose Del Rio
19.40 Edis Tatli - Pasquale Di Silvio
20.30 Edmund Gerber - Marcus McGee
21.10 Cecilia Br?khus - Kuulei Kupihea WBA, WBC, WBO
21.55 Jarno Rosberg - Manuel Pucheta
22.35 Aleksander Povetkin - Cedric Boswell WBA
00.00 Robert Helenius - Dereck Chisora
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Spoiler - Results:
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Jack Culcay KO 1 Giammario Grassellini
Jussi Koivula UD 8 Jose Del Rio
Erik Skoglund UD 4 Amine Belali
Gerber won by KO round 1
17.50 Erik Skoglund - Amine Belali
18.10 Gianmario Grassellini - Jack Culcay
19.00 Jussi Koivula - Jose Del Rio
19.40 Edis Tatli - Pasquale Di Silvio
20.30 Edmund Gerber - Marcus McGee
21.10 Cecilia Br?khus - Kuulei Kupihea WBA, WBC, WBO
21.55 Jarno Rosberg - Manuel Pucheta
22.35 Aleksander Povetkin - Cedric Boswell WBA
00.00 Robert Helenius - Dereck Chisora
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Spoiler - Results:
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Jack Culcay KO 1 Giammario Grassellini
Jussi Koivula UD 8 Jose Del Rio
Erik Skoglund UD 4 Amine Belali
Gerber won by KO round 1
that 12pm is local time here in Helsinki so it's 5pmET
Povetkin - Boswell is about to start right now.
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rios itd/arron/helenius at roughly even money(hedged with murray at +775...c`mon hedge)....
agbeko +125 sportsbook
margarito+180 5 dimes
jones/lujan over 9.5 -160 small...
agbeko +125 sportsbook
margarito+180 5 dimes
jones/lujan over 9.5 -160 small...
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