I just think Lebedev is a plodding fighter that leaves himself open and Jones' speed will make him look foolish. If Roy can stay box smart for 12 rounds and not get trapped on the ropes (big IF) then he wins this one going away IMO. I have a healthy ammount on him and stand to win ALOT if he wins. BOL on your plays
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I just think Lebedev is a plodding fighter that leaves himself open and Jones' speed will make him look foolish. If Roy can stay box smart for 12 rounds and not get trapped on the ropes (big IF) then he wins this one going away IMO. I have a healthy ammount on him and stand to win ALOT if he wins. BOL on your plays
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Jones Jr. vs. Lebedev Early on Saturday
Jones Jr. vs. Lebedev Early on Saturday
This show is a big deal in Russia. Lots of fights (a bunch of Russian prospects on the undercard, fighting against Americans).
It was initially scheduled for Sunday, May 22nd. But has now been moved to Saturday, to accommodate international PPV.
Hopefully this means we will be able to view the fights LIVE in some way. It will very early on Saturday morning, before any of the UK action.
Jones Jr. vs. Lebedev Early on Saturday
This show is a big deal in Russia. Lots of fights (a bunch of Russian prospects on the undercard, fighting against Americans).
It was initially scheduled for Sunday, May 22nd. But has now been moved to Saturday, to accommodate international PPV.
Hopefully this means we will be able to view the fights LIVE in some way. It will very early on Saturday morning, before any of the UK action.
Good luck to you. Gutsy play especially since you have lots of dough on it. I will be more than shocked if RJ can turn back the clock and pull off the HUGE upset. Lebed is head and shoulders above Jeff Lacy, who made RJ look much better than he actually was. Huck is a damn good fighter and Lebed clearly got jobbed in that one. I just can't see RJ winning it. As soon as he feels the pop of Lebed, the earmuffs will go up and me thinks it will be a gradual beatdown. I will be very surprised if RJ can muster enough to make it to the final bell. I think RJ is borderline dillusional. He was actually talking about a Wlad fight :facepalm: b4 the Hop rematch. I wouldn't call Lebed an elite fighter by any stretch but anybody @190 would more than have their hands full. I think Lebed takes him out in about 7 rounds...just my opinion.
Zsolt Erdei stepping it up and taking a massive risk v the ever so dangerous....Byron Mitchell on Jun 4 :facepalm:. Mitchell stopped in 3 of last 4 including a ko at the hands of Otis Griffin. I thought it was a joke but Erdei will be fighting the replacement for Dawid Kostecki. Don't mind seeing a "top fighter" take on a soft touch now and then but jeezes this guy's resume is littered with them. Erdei beginning to make Sven Ottke look like Bennie Brisco. Guy might end up having a perfect career after fighting absolutely nobody :shrug:
paulie; watch the tenth round of Braehmer-Sukhotsky. Not sure if it's good or bad for us! Braehmer takes a massive amount of punishment/shots to the head, but, looked like Jake La Motta and would not go down. But that shit takes it's toll over time. Braehmer's face looked like something out of a Hellboy movie. Lumped up big time. Cleverly has fast hands and is deadly accurate, but Braehmer fights like a brain dead robot and won't stop. I think Cleverly can win on points if robo cop doesn't nail him with that left, flush.
What, Jones fought a year ago at 175lbs, now he put on weight/flab? He better have his track shoes on; for Hurricane's sake I hope RJ wins, but this guy has 15lbs. on him, and Roy is just getting OLDER, not better.
I'm gonna be away for a few days. Hope to make it back before showtime this weekend, but I will post some thoughts now on what's available.
First, I also like Cleverly this weekend. I think it's his time. Fight is in UK. He struggled in his last fight - last minute change of opponent - but against Murat he looked sensational. Seems to have a great motor. Braehmer no soft touch, that's for sure. He will not surrender without a fight. There will be some difficult moments for Cleverly, but in the end I think he will take the title.
Regarding the Lebedev-Jones fight... I don't give Jones any kind of a chance. I don't think it will even be competitive. Paycheck aside, this is a stupid fight for Jones to take. In Russia? Against a big strong Cruiser? He has at least 20 natural pounds on Jones. Roy is an all-time great, but I think his fights have had a sideshow feel for a while now. Leb wins easily, probably by early to mid round stoppage.
I think Dawson will come to fight, and outclass Diaconu.
I'm going with Hopkins in the big rematch. I don't see anything different from the first time around. I don't think Pascal can make any serious adjustments to neutralize what Bernard is going to do. Scorecards aside, he was the moral victor in the first fight. I say he picks up where he left off. Hopkins will not get knocked down twice in this fight, and win with a great performance.
Good luck guys. Hope to be available by line time and the weekend!
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First, I also like Cleverly this weekend. I think it's his time. Fight is in UK. He struggled in his last fight - last minute change of opponent - but against Murat he looked sensational. Seems to have a great motor. Braehmer no soft touch, that's for sure. He will not surrender without a fight. There will be some difficult moments for Cleverly, but in the end I think he will take the title.
Regarding the Lebedev-Jones fight... I don't give Jones any kind of a chance. I don't think it will even be competitive. Paycheck aside, this is a stupid fight for Jones to take. In Russia? Against a big strong Cruiser? He has at least 20 natural pounds on Jones. Roy is an all-time great, but I think his fights have had a sideshow feel for a while now. Leb wins easily, probably by early to mid round stoppage.
I think Dawson will come to fight, and outclass Diaconu.
I'm going with Hopkins in the big rematch. I don't see anything different from the first time around. I don't think Pascal can make any serious adjustments to neutralize what Bernard is going to do. Scorecards aside, he was the moral victor in the first fight. I say he picks up where he left off. Hopkins will not get knocked down twice in this fight, and win with a great performance.
Good luck guys. Hope to be available by line time and the weekend!
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I guess I am alone on this island, but I think Pascal can improve on the first performance.
Pascal hits hard and has very good speed. He has bad stamina, and he gets discouraged when the plan changes during a fight.
But I like the way he is approaching the rematch - not backing down from Hops at all. Pascal is a gutty kid - as long as he doesn't get drawn into all the games this week, I think he can outpoint Hops.
I remember when James Toney rematched Sam Peter.
I loaded up on Toney. I was ringside for the first bout, and I thought James got robbed. I saw an older, craftier boxer teaching the younger fighter a lesson. I was POSITIVE that James would school him in the rematch.
But James was dead on arrival. He fell off the cliff and never returned to form. Happens to all fighters at some point.
I have doubts that Hopkins can replicate the last 6 rounds of the first bout. He showed CLEAR signs of decline in the RJJ fight. He is getting hit cleanly now for the first time in years.
He is crafty as hell, but at some point, the physical nature of the game is going to pass him by.
HOWEVER the old man has proven me wrong time and time again. We shall see.
Pascal hits hard and has very good speed. He has bad stamina, and he gets discouraged when the plan changes during a fight.
But I like the way he is approaching the rematch - not backing down from Hops at all. Pascal is a gutty kid - as long as he doesn't get drawn into all the games this week, I think he can outpoint Hops.
I remember when James Toney rematched Sam Peter.
I loaded up on Toney. I was ringside for the first bout, and I thought James got robbed. I saw an older, craftier boxer teaching the younger fighter a lesson. I was POSITIVE that James would school him in the rematch.
But James was dead on arrival. He fell off the cliff and never returned to form. Happens to all fighters at some point.
I have doubts that Hopkins can replicate the last 6 rounds of the first bout. He showed CLEAR signs of decline in the RJJ fight. He is getting hit cleanly now for the first time in years.
He is crafty as hell, but at some point, the physical nature of the game is going to pass him by.
HOWEVER the old man has proven me wrong time and time again. We shall see.
The only thing I feel sure about is that Pascal hits like a mule and can, and probably will, drop B-Hop. His skills as a true pugilist are unremarkable, and Hopkins could hardly believe he got dropped. Hopkins will do what he has been doing. Its up to Pascal to adjust and not take his foot off the gas when Hopkins uses the vast arsenal of ring smarts he has available. I think Pascal will be more determined and has built up more confidence. Also Hopkins now knows he is in with a real banger and like Mosley doesn't want to get KTFO or put on his ass.
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You not alone Ghost, I also think Pascal is the one who will do better this time.
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Very interesting discussion here!!!
My early takes:
Jones vs. Lebedev
As is already said: this is a seriouls uphill battle for him. If he can win against Lebedev this would possibly be his biggest win, as I regard Lebedev as one of the 2 best CW!
I expect Lebedev to win, and if Green could knock Jones out in one round, I suppsoe Lebedev should really stop him!
Jones legs are gone as well...
I have Lebedev in some parlays and "not 12 rounds" for a few units!
Hopkins vs. Pascal
Tough fight to call. I have been waiting for Hopkins to show his age like forever. He got dropped twice in the first fight, so he might be slowing down...I wasnt impressed by his performance against Jones as well, but the way he came back and outworked Pascal seriously impressed me.
Pascal , even though he is atthletically extremely gifted, has pretty average stamina and defence...so if hopkins is still the same and if he doesnt get knocked down again, should take this on points. :shrug:
Groves vs. DeGeale
I have got to take a closer look at this fight, but I thinke DeGeale takes it. I really wonder if Groves chin holds up...
Br?hmer vs. Cleverly.
I was seriously impressed by Cleverly against Murat. If he can emulate this performance he should win here...maybe even by late stoppage!
Br?hmers defence isnt good and fighting in England wont help him either!
My early takes:
Jones vs. Lebedev
As is already said: this is a seriouls uphill battle for him. If he can win against Lebedev this would possibly be his biggest win, as I regard Lebedev as one of the 2 best CW!
I expect Lebedev to win, and if Green could knock Jones out in one round, I suppsoe Lebedev should really stop him!
Jones legs are gone as well...
I have Lebedev in some parlays and "not 12 rounds" for a few units!
Hopkins vs. Pascal
Tough fight to call. I have been waiting for Hopkins to show his age like forever. He got dropped twice in the first fight, so he might be slowing down...I wasnt impressed by his performance against Jones as well, but the way he came back and outworked Pascal seriously impressed me.
Pascal , even though he is atthletically extremely gifted, has pretty average stamina and defence...so if hopkins is still the same and if he doesnt get knocked down again, should take this on points. :shrug:
Groves vs. DeGeale
I have got to take a closer look at this fight, but I thinke DeGeale takes it. I really wonder if Groves chin holds up...
Br?hmer vs. Cleverly.
I was seriously impressed by Cleverly against Murat. If he can emulate this performance he should win here...maybe even by late stoppage!
Br?hmers defence isnt good and fighting in England wont help him either!
I love it!!! Actually, Hopkins was mostly accurate in what he said. He did in fact dominate after the 4th or 5th round, and Pascal seemed like a guy trying to survive. If Hopkins isn't the shrewdest SOB in the world, I don't know who is. I think he won the head game so far with the kid. I surely see Pascal swinging for the fences knowing Hopkins is highly experienced and he just isn't as skilled as grandpa. I hope they pay the ref well for this as it could get ugly.
like mcnabb or not,i wasn`t real crazy about bernard basically calling him an uncle tom.....
lost some respect for hopkins after hearing that......came out of nowhere,didn`t it?...i missed the context and what caused hopkins to go all al sharpton on mcnabb...
lost some respect for hopkins after hearing that......came out of nowhere,didn`t it?...i missed the context and what caused hopkins to go all al sharpton on mcnabb...
Im also on Pascal he has an advantage in speed,power and age.b-hop advantage in stamina, ring savy and changing gears when the current gear is not working.i wouldnt be blown away if Hopkins wins but im goin with Pascal for sure..
well... on my side i am on Pascal HUGE!!!!:0corn I will be even taking some by KO. Dont think Hopkins is in his mind. I think it is the opposite!!! Hopkins is stress and tries to worry Pascal but it is not working. Pascal had the best training camp of his life. He admitted he took Hopkins for granted and spent way too much energy at the beginning of his last fight. He will now use his head and get Hopkins later in the fight as he doesnt want to tank like last time. He knows now what Hopkins is capable and took his training seriously. I wouldnt be surpsie at all to see him KO the old bastard around round 9-12...:0corn
I know if Hopkins gets knocked down, it would be a "flash" knock down. If he gets KTFO, would that also be a "flash" knock out? Is there such a thing as a flash knock out? We may see it for the first time.
