Boxing 6/23 - 6/24
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Oddessa said:
When I was a kid, I stole a piece of candy from the quiky mart, my parents caught me, punished me and explained why it was wrong. I've never stole anything since, am I still a theif?
By your logic...I am, but in reality I'm not so you can stick that logic where your heads been the last couple days.
After I bet the bad line a few months ago, I realized I made a mistake and have learned my lesson. The last thing I want is to be thrown out of a book like sportsbook, so why would I take the chance and buy into a bad line on purpose. I had no idea this time around, and I won't intentionaly buy into one in the future...thats all I can say.
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BOXLOCKS said:
i`m missing something here...they post a bad line...you bet it....they throw you out on your dupa?.....
my eyes are spinning counter clockwise....
why?
The point Joey is trying to make is that sometimes the lines are inverted by the webmaster making the favorite an underdog.
The other scenario is the oddsmaker making a bad decision on where the line should be.
Joey is saying that betting into an obviously reversed line knowing full well what you are doing is unethical and that a book could throw you out for doing it on a regular basis. I actually agree with him about it being unethical, taking advantage of an obvious mistake. But like I said several times, I had no way of knowing this line was reversed, so I shouldn't be critisized for it.
Yes, I bet into a bad line awhile back knowing it was probably a reversed line. But like I said, I learned my lesson and haven't done it since, don't want discarded from any of the books I play at.
bl
The other scenario is the oddsmaker making a bad decision on where the line should be.
Joey is saying that betting into an obviously reversed line knowing full well what you are doing is unethical and that a book could throw you out for doing it on a regular basis. I actually agree with him about it being unethical, taking advantage of an obvious mistake. But like I said several times, I had no way of knowing this line was reversed, so I shouldn't be critisized for it.
Yes, I bet into a bad line awhile back knowing it was probably a reversed line. But like I said, I learned my lesson and haven't done it since, don't want discarded from any of the books I play at.
bl
don`t make nice,b.l....i think you were right on target about playing the line as it`s put out there....
then you said it was unethical?.....you`re sounding like john kerry...for it before you were against it....
lot of supposition there bud....
1)that you know it`s a a bad line....
2)that it`s unethical....and that`s silly....
a book posts a bad line and you`re supposed to be the "line police"?....
let em rescind the wager....they aren`t a bunch of 8 year olds...
this is like the young man who murders his parents and then pleads leniency from the court because he's an orphan.....(o.k.,a bad analogy)
not to mention that if a book is consistently posting mistakes,maybe it`s time to find a new line of work....
this idea that you`re a thief for playing the line that`s posted is what somebody making the line might want you to buy...
as i said,they`re adults...void or rescind the wager.......
the idea that we should be hobnobbing at gitmo for playing the line that`s posted is a pantload...
then you said it was unethical?.....you`re sounding like john kerry...for it before you were against it....
lot of supposition there bud....
1)that you know it`s a a bad line....
2)that it`s unethical....and that`s silly....
a book posts a bad line and you`re supposed to be the "line police"?....
let em rescind the wager....they aren`t a bunch of 8 year olds...
this is like the young man who murders his parents and then pleads leniency from the court because he's an orphan.....(o.k.,a bad analogy)
not to mention that if a book is consistently posting mistakes,maybe it`s time to find a new line of work....
this idea that you`re a thief for playing the line that`s posted is what somebody making the line might want you to buy...
as i said,they`re adults...void or rescind the wager.......
the idea that we should be hobnobbing at gitmo for playing the line that`s posted is a pantload...
gardenweasel said:
Exactly
Regardless of whether the oddsmaker was wrong or the webmaster reversed the line...
Regardless of wether the player intentionaly or unintentionaly bet into the line...
It doesn't mean jack-shit b/c the books decide what wagers are valid and if it was a reversed line they can refund the wager. This is a non-issue...a total waste of time.
gl bl
for all of us that are new to the "relationship"
for all of us that are new to the "relationship"
what is odessa/joey's position? he obviously is in the industry and helps set opening numbers. can anybody fill me in?
finally, it is "you're" not "your" when you are trying to contract the words "you" and "are"...for some reason, people in a pissing match that can't spell simply pisses me off. sorry.
thanks again to all of you guys for posting your picks and info.
for all of us that are new to the "relationship"
what is odessa/joey's position? he obviously is in the industry and helps set opening numbers. can anybody fill me in?
finally, it is "you're" not "your" when you are trying to contract the words "you" and "are"...for some reason, people in a pissing match that can't spell simply pisses me off. sorry.
thanks again to all of you guys for posting your picks and info.
gardenweasel said:
I hear ya my man
I wasn't making nice, just trying to end this pointless arguement
gl bl
Oddessa said:
By this logic, if you get caught lying one time, you're dishonest...
Last year you posted in this forum that I was very sharp and worth following
This year you post that I'm a putz and that I help the books more than I hurt them
Wow, thats two completely different opinions coming from the same guy. One of them is obviously a lie. Which Joey should we believe?
And if he answers this question for us...do we believe him?
Nice try Joey, go back to other side of the counter where you can be trusted...or can you?
bl
Wow, you have alot of free time. All nonsense aside.......
You cannot lay or take the worst of the number long term and win.
Anyone that thinks you can is an idiot.
So sure you help the books.
Sure your worth following if the lines havent moved and they can get the same number. Your talleys appear to prove that.
No one is charting how your plays do against the closing number or the number that is available at the time. Are the lines that are moving in your favor actually the ones that are holding up? Do you chart the openers and closers to see which number is stronger?
Well if you don't here you go. The opening number this year is a helluva alot stronger than the closer. The Don Best openers have been holding up as well. One of the best years I've seen in some time.
You cannot lay or take the worst of the number long term and win.
Anyone that thinks you can is an idiot.
So sure you help the books.
Sure your worth following if the lines havent moved and they can get the same number. Your talleys appear to prove that.
No one is charting how your plays do against the closing number or the number that is available at the time. Are the lines that are moving in your favor actually the ones that are holding up? Do you chart the openers and closers to see which number is stronger?
Well if you don't here you go. The opening number this year is a helluva alot stronger than the closer. The Don Best openers have been holding up as well. One of the best years I've seen in some time.
.............................................................Oddessa said:
So it sounds like what your saying is BOX is in this for himself getting the opening lines and the rest of us getting later lines are just putzs.
Thats just rude.
GW start your engines.
Joey
How did the books make out on Wright-Taylor?
Obviously the sides pushed, and I imagine the total had pretty even money on both sides due to the price.
So I guess my question is...did the books make enough off the decision and ko props to cover the 15-1 draw payouts?
How did the books make out on Wright-Taylor?
Obviously the sides pushed, and I imagine the total had pretty even money on both sides due to the price.
So I guess my question is...did the books make enough off the decision and ko props to cover the 15-1 draw payouts?
i think everybody let off a little steam...and made their points.....
yes, joey`s the preeminent boxing linesmaker....
yes,i respect what he does....we`ve always been cordial...i like joey....he`s,no doubt, a big part of the reason why we have all these boxing lines to peruse..not sure what internet boxing wagering would be like without joey......and its appreciated....
.but,i think he`s way off on the bad line argument....
...i initially thought that maybe joey didn`t love the idea that box is putting public plays that win more than they lose..i do think that box`s plays move some lines(and cut into profit margin)...i`ve seen it...
..but,upon reflection,box`s weekly postings must drum up additional interest in boxing wagering.....and i have to think that`s good for business....i think b.l. creates interest in guys that wouldn`t normally consider wagering on boxing... creating some new client base opportunities for guys like joey.......
so,it seems like a symbiotic relationship....good for everybody....we don`t have to love one another...but,we do share a common interest..
that`s my opinion...
and box?.....yes...imo,box is cocky..even arrogant at times...and i`m sure it rubs some the wrong way......(we`ve become friends over several years time...at least i consider him a friend)....
but,he`s really become very good at handicapping the game...not many better on the net...he`s earned the right to be a little cocky....
he`s come a long way from when we first crossed paths......and works hard at this...
like him or not,i think he`s made some folks some jack...small potatoes or large potatoes....it`s all relative....and he has created more interest in the game through his plays than i ever did at the few sites i used to post at(100 fold)...and that`s a great thing to me......
one hand washes the other...
hope everybody feels better...and there`s no hard feelings....
was a long night around the campfire... :142squint
yes, joey`s the preeminent boxing linesmaker....
yes,i respect what he does....we`ve always been cordial...i like joey....he`s,no doubt, a big part of the reason why we have all these boxing lines to peruse..not sure what internet boxing wagering would be like without joey......and its appreciated....
.but,i think he`s way off on the bad line argument....
...i initially thought that maybe joey didn`t love the idea that box is putting public plays that win more than they lose..i do think that box`s plays move some lines(and cut into profit margin)...i`ve seen it...
..but,upon reflection,box`s weekly postings must drum up additional interest in boxing wagering.....and i have to think that`s good for business....i think b.l. creates interest in guys that wouldn`t normally consider wagering on boxing... creating some new client base opportunities for guys like joey.......
so,it seems like a symbiotic relationship....good for everybody....we don`t have to love one another...but,we do share a common interest..
that`s my opinion...
and box?.....yes...imo,box is cocky..even arrogant at times...and i`m sure it rubs some the wrong way......(we`ve become friends over several years time...at least i consider him a friend)....
but,he`s really become very good at handicapping the game...not many better on the net...he`s earned the right to be a little cocky....
he`s come a long way from when we first crossed paths......and works hard at this...
like him or not,i think he`s made some folks some jack...small potatoes or large potatoes....it`s all relative....and he has created more interest in the game through his plays than i ever did at the few sites i used to post at(100 fold)...and that`s a great thing to me......
one hand washes the other...
hope everybody feels better...and there`s no hard feelings....
was a long night around the campfire... :142squint
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Well that was an entertaining 20 mins reading over this thread. And I found this the most interesting/telling of all..
Now correct me if my assumption is wrong (which it very well could be), but wouldn't it be tough to maintain the ethical high ground that you hold BL to if you bet into lines that you set?
Oddessa said:
Now correct me if my assumption is wrong (which it very well could be), but wouldn't it be tough to maintain the ethical high ground that you hold BL to if you bet into lines that you set?
Argghhhhh, I tried to avoid this thread but it looks like I have to reply because some of you are spouting bullshit.....
1. it is unethical to bet into lines where a mistake was made putting it up. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not so obvious. There are different types of bad lines though . Sometimes a line is just WRONG like gatti-baldomir being +400 and it wasn't up anywhere else. That was a wrong line but not bad, it was put up just how they wanted it (even if it was a stupid number). There was nothing wrong with taking Baldomir at +400. What is wrong is taking reversed lines when you know they are reversed. Period, there is no rationalizing it.
2. It's a bussiness's right to not deal with certain people is it not? A book is not being unethical or crooked by limiting you or even kicking you out. If they steal your money then that is being crooked.
3. Boxlox does a good job but no overall he is a very small fish in a big pond. He don't efect a books bussiness. No offense to him but the majority of people who bet don't even know about these forums. What he does well is get numbers that are going to move a lot of times, he spots them very quick. Good trait to have.
4. There is nothing unethical about Joey betting. He makes the lines and the lines move all over the place. When a lot of different books just copy and don't make there own numbers. How is it unethical? It would be unethical if he put up numbers and bet into the openers at the books where he works at but he don't/can't do that.
1. it is unethical to bet into lines where a mistake was made putting it up. Sometimes it is obvious, sometimes not so obvious. There are different types of bad lines though . Sometimes a line is just WRONG like gatti-baldomir being +400 and it wasn't up anywhere else. That was a wrong line but not bad, it was put up just how they wanted it (even if it was a stupid number). There was nothing wrong with taking Baldomir at +400. What is wrong is taking reversed lines when you know they are reversed. Period, there is no rationalizing it.
2. It's a bussiness's right to not deal with certain people is it not? A book is not being unethical or crooked by limiting you or even kicking you out. If they steal your money then that is being crooked.
3. Boxlox does a good job but no overall he is a very small fish in a big pond. He don't efect a books bussiness. No offense to him but the majority of people who bet don't even know about these forums. What he does well is get numbers that are going to move a lot of times, he spots them very quick. Good trait to have.
4. There is nothing unethical about Joey betting. He makes the lines and the lines move all over the place. When a lot of different books just copy and don't make there own numbers. How is it unethical? It would be unethical if he put up numbers and bet into the openers at the books where he works at but he don't/can't do that.
